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09/15/2003 06:25:19 PM · #76
Originally posted by GeneralE:

And what's the difference between ballet and gymnastics -- talc?


Shoes.
09/15/2003 06:44:58 PM · #77
OK..
I feel a real need to adhere to the challenge topics. But I never know what the real meaning is of anything so my first move is to look it up in a dictionary...dictionary.com is convenient.
Synopsis:
A sport is a diversion following strict rules and being competitive. Nothing said about physical exertion.
Hmm.. there goes my original thought of the term. Previously I would have said Chess is not a sport, but a game. Because I thought sports had to be physical even as darts and pool are physical.
Besides how do you move without being at least a little physical?
Chess shots will be in catagory for me.
09/15/2003 07:21:45 PM · #78
Of course most folks in the thread already are fully aware of what I'm about to say, but I feel compelled to say it anyway...

The whole point is moot... The people that want to vote down chess images as "un-sportsman-like" will do so. Those that believe chess to be a sport will vote accordingly. Everyone has made up their mind, so why bother arguing about it...

Personally, I've decided that since I've never played or watched soccer, that it isn't a sport... If it doesn't make it on network TV, it's a game... :)

PS ~ Golf is not a sport either. I know it's on network TV, but the only people watching are asleep. The only sports are baseball, football and pro wrestling :)
09/15/2003 07:28:49 PM · #79
Chess is a "game of sport". How bout that??
09/15/2003 07:31:49 PM · #80
Originally posted by Stewan:

Chess is a "game of sport". How bout that??


I'll buy that! Good answer.
09/15/2003 08:17:29 PM · #81
Originally posted by MarkS224:

... But I never know what the real meaning is of anything so my first move is to look it up in a dictionary...


unfortunately, the dictionary is a catch-all for everything you never needed to know about a word

if it only contained the actual definitions of words, that would be ideal - however, that is not the case - it now also lists what it calls "common usage", which it what you get when some threshold of uneducated/lazy/'hip' people use a word incorrectly

so note that "common usage" is not the same as "correct usage" -- but because it appears in the dictionary, these same people insist that it validates their less-than-average language skills

thus does the slippery slope get greased ... :(

Message edited by author 2003-09-15 20:29:47.
09/15/2003 08:36:23 PM · #82
Originally posted by spiderman:

if it only contained the actual definitions of words, that would be ideal - however, that is not the case - it now also lists what it calls "common usage", which it what you get when some threshold of uneducated/lazy/'hip' people use a word incorrectly

so note that "common usage" is not the same as "correct usage" -- but because it appears in the dictionary, these same people insist that it validates their less-than-average language skills

thus does the slippery slope get greased ... :(


Thus does the language live. If we want a language that doesn't evolve with society, we should all brush up on our Latin :)
09/15/2003 09:18:44 PM · #83
Originally posted by StevePax:

For those that don't "think" chess is a sport - it doesn't matter what you think. It only matters what the photographer thought. Clearly, some people feel that chess is a sport, and some of them entered chess shots. To them, chess is a sport. It's not totally off-base, so let chess be a sport to those people. Respect their opinion, and vote as if they are on-topic.

By the way, I didn't enter any shots in the Sports challenge, so I have nothing to gain by asserting this.


(Way late - had no idea this had gotten so carried away....)

So... When I go into the voting booth here in California next month (maybe), then I should vote for Arnold, because he thinks he can be governor. It doesn't matter what I as the voter think. All that matters is what the candidate thinks he is or can be or wants to be.

Hey, why do we have voting anyway??? Everyone who submits a photo to these challenges thinks their photo is a winner, so lets just have a 250-way tie every week.
09/15/2003 09:26:19 PM · #84
Originally posted by ScottK:

Hey, why do we have voting anyway??? Everyone who submits a photo to these challenges thinks their photo is a winner, so lets just have a 250-way tie every week.

Good point, I'll stop voting now. Silly me thought this was a photography site again.
09/15/2003 09:28:28 PM · #85
Originally posted by jimmythefish:

Does it really matter what we label it, anyways?


Unfortunately, in DPC, it does matter. At least as far as voting goes.

I've played competitive chess at adult level, but I'd say that it's a very fine game, hardly a sport.

09/15/2003 09:29:09 PM · #86
Originally posted by GeneralE:

I was looking forward to the relay races myself.


Is that the baton, or are you just happy to see me?
09/15/2003 09:31:33 PM · #87
Originally posted by ScottK:

Originally posted by GeneralE:

I was looking forward to the relay races myself.


Is that the baton, or are you just happy to see me?


LOL!

I wondered about that myself.

09/15/2003 09:39:42 PM · #88
Originally posted by myqyl:

Everyone has made up their mind, so why bother arguing about it...The only sports are baseball, football and pro wrestling :)


Because it's fun, competitive, mentally challenging and... good sport!


Originally posted by myqyl:

The only sports are baseball, football and pro wrestling :)


Ah, but don't they now label wrestling as "sports entertainment" or some such euphamism? :)
09/15/2003 09:40:02 PM · #89
A four page thread in one day. That must be a record in the sport of Posting. Definately competitive, uh oh no rules.
Like I said before I use a dictionary as a point of reference, what are my other choices?
BTW my spider insect challenge entry had an equal number of Tens and Ones.
I thought it was a mediocre shot that I was proud to say scored 5.5(?).

This thread was helpful because before reading it AND looking it up I would have voted chess shots as not meeting the challenge. Now I will judge them on their PHOTOGRAPHIC merit.
Long live a point of reference.
09/15/2003 09:41:58 PM · #90
Originally posted by bod:

Good point, I'll stop voting now. Silly me thought this was a photography site again.


Serves you right for thinking. :)
09/15/2003 09:44:38 PM · #91
Originally posted by ScottK:

Originally posted by bod:

Good point, I'll stop voting now. Silly me thought this was a photography site again.


Serves you right for thinking. :)

lol. Good point again. I really am trying my best to stop doing that though ; )
09/15/2003 09:44:42 PM · #92
Ack. Double post.

Message edited by author 2003-09-15 21:45:52.
09/15/2003 11:30:32 PM · #93
Originally posted by myqyl:

... If we want a language that doesn't evolve with society, we should all brush up on our Latin :)


i suppose, but does that mean it has to evolve towards the stupid end of the spectrum?
09/15/2003 11:36:44 PM · #94
EDIT: I wrote this before I read the posts above so sorry that I sort of double covered what's already been said.

Spiderman is obviously not a linguist.

Language evolves. If you want to use English as originally defined you'd better educate yourself and start speaking in language that reflects pre-Shakesperian times. In fact you should really go back to Greek or Latin because English was simply a trade language that evolved from those classical languages.

I'm not a linguist myself, but even I understand that language must evolve and common usage is really all that matters.


Originally posted by spiderman:

Originally posted by MarkS224:

... But I never know what the real meaning is of anything so my first move is to look it up in a dictionary...


unfortunately, the dictionary is a catch-all for everything you never needed to know about a word

if it only contained the actual definitions of words, that would be ideal - however, that is not the case - it now also lists what it calls "common usage", which it what you get when some threshold of uneducated/lazy/'hip' people use a word incorrectly

so note that "common usage" is not the same as "correct usage" -- but because it appears in the dictionary, these same people insist that it validates their less-than-average language skills

thus does the slippery slope get greased ... :(


Message edited by author 2003-09-15 23:38:10.
09/16/2003 01:17:16 AM · #95
Originally posted by ttreit:

... common usage is really all that matters.


i was just saying that i feel that this "natural evolution", away from that which is correct, toward that which is deemed correct by mob rule, is an unfortunate path

and if i must be drug down it, i will not go without some kicking and screaming :)
09/16/2003 01:58:13 AM · #96
Originally posted by ttreit:

Spiderman is obviously not a linguist. Language evolves.


no, he is not - he knows that language evolves - he just doesn't like the direction the evolution is going

i can offer a valid reason for changing the meaning of words ~~~ newly discovered ideas or concepts that shift thought, allowing for the expansion of old lines of reason and terminology

i can also decry (for my own self reasons) the reason as expressed throughout this thread ~~~ the refusal of a culture to educate itself with respect to the proper use of its language

sure, it's inevitable -- words are coopted by people and groups every day and used in ways our forefathers never dreamed -- but to accept the misuse of a word simply because "everyone misuses it" (don't stand in the way of evolution!) is wrong

but not to fear, my friend - in the times in which we live, with the PC amongst us racing to dumb-down every definition/document/process known to man, your precious evolution is accelerating towards ...

in 1961, Kurt Vonnegut wrote 'Harrison Bergeron' - it was set in 2081, but it's starting to play out now right in front of us, here in the DPC forums


Message edited by author 2003-09-16 02:12:43.
09/16/2003 02:14:07 AM · #97
LEXICOGRAPHER, n. A pestilent fellow who, under the pretense of recording some particular stage in the development of a language, does what he can to arrest its growth, stiffen its flexibility and mechanize its methods. For your lexicographer, having written his dictionary, comes to be considered "as one having authority," whereas his function is only to make a record, not to give a law. The natural servility of the human understanding having invested him with judicial power, surrenders its right of reason and submits itself to a chronicle as if it were a statue. Let the dictionary (for example) mark a good word as "obsolete" or "obsolescent" and few men thereafter venture to use it, whatever their need of it and however desirable its restoration to favor -- whereby the process of improverishment is accelerated and speech decays. On the contrary, recognizing the truth that language must grow by innovation if it grow at all, makes new words and uses the old in an unfamiliar sense, has no following and is tartly reminded that "it isn't in the dictionary" -- although down to the time of the first lexicographer (Heaven forgive him!) no author ever had used a word that was in the dictionary. In the golden prime and high noon of English speech; when from the lips of the great Elizabethans fell words that made their own meaning and carried it in their very sound; when a Shakespeare and a Bacon were possible, and the language now rapidly perishing at one end and slowly renewed at the other was in vigorous growth and hardy preservation -- sweeter than honey and stronger than a lion -- the lexicographer was a person unknown, the dictionary a creation which his Creator had not created him to create.


God said: "Let Spirit perish into Form,"
And lexicographers arose, a swarm!
Thought fled and left her clothing, which they took,
And catalogued each garment in a book.
Now, from her leafy covert when she cries:
"Give me my clothes and I'll return," they rise
And scan the list, and say without compassion:
"Excuse us -- they are mostly out of fashion."

Sigismund Smith

Ambrose Bierce (1842 - 1914), The Devil's Dictionary
09/16/2003 02:15:38 AM · #98
DICTIONARY, n. A malevolent literary device for cramping the growth of a language and making it hard and inelastic. This dictionary, however, is a most useful work.

Ambrose Bierce (1842 - 1914), The Devil's Dictionary
09/16/2003 02:36:14 AM · #99
Leave off with the linguist-bashing.

Like any discipline, there are different ways of using any information. Within linguistics, you have both prescriptive and descriptive types. The prescriptive type settles on a model and tells you about it. The descriptive type tells you about how people use the language. It's then up to the population at large to use this in any way they feel fit.

I suspect that, in this challenge, the chess entries weren't posted by people who really believed that chess is a bonafide sport. Rather that they hoped that their entry would pass as a sports photograph. However, the challenge asked for action, not just shots of things doing nothing. So the chess entries would fail on that point, just as a number of other ones would, too.

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