Ghost Accounts, Recalculations, and A Suspension

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07/31/2006 02:00:15 AM · #181

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by macpapas:
Before everyone casts too many stones, there is a lot behind the scenes that you are not all aware of. I just got off the phone with Rikki, who I consider to be a good and personal friend. I've noted the SC and Langdon have been wording their entries very carefully and Rikki also asked me not to get involved (for my own sake), but I can't sit by while the conspiracy theorists go crazy - I will, however, try to respect my friend's wishes as well as what I believe to be the SC's wishes and not divulge the details behind the situation.

In a nutshell, Rikki made a mistake. Rikki has a passion for photography and has an almost bigger passion for this site. Rikki's mistake was to share this passion with his friends a little to soon. He did not purposely solicit the votes received nor conger up a scheme to dupe the DPC community.
And yes Bear, all the images were his.

Langdon and the SC are doing the right thing to maintain the integrity of this site and Rikki above all others knows and respects that. As such, he as asked that his profile be removed from DPC.

Rikki is greatly saddened by the events of the past few days, and in hindsight, would have done things a lot differently (with respect to sharing his passion with friends). He has contributed a lot to this site, and thinks of this community as his friends. He made a mistake and is suffering the consequences of that mistake. But without knowing the facts of the situation, I ask that you all keep the stone throwing to a minimum.

I'm happy to hear the images are all his. I never really doubted they were anyway. My point was, I hate the way the situation makes me feel, if you can understand that? The thing is, I LIKE Rikki. We corresponded a fair amount. Now I have to fit myself around this new information, you know? And it makes me feel bad, it bothers me, I am in a sense resentful that I have to feel this way.

Forgiveness is not an issue with me. It's a straightforward matter for me to forgive Rikki. But don't like how this makes me feel and it will take time to overcome that sick feeling, you know?

Robt.

I hear ya Bear - nobody is happy about the situation.

dleach

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07/31/2006 02:01:21 AM · #182

Originally posted by macpapas:

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In a nutshell, Rikki made a mistake. Rikki has a passion for photography and has an almost bigger passion for this site. Rikki's mistake was to share this passion with his friends a little to soon. He did not purposely solicit the votes received nor conger up a scheme to dupe the DPC community.
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I don't know Rikki but I've been careful in this exact area with friends involved with this site. I try real hard to avoid disclosing what my entry is in a challenge to my friends and family participating in this site and if I find out what a friend or family member submitted in a challenge I don't vote in that particular challenge. Solves things for me.

The natural predisposition of folks is to vote more favorably for your friends (whether you know it or not). I suspect it would be best to let the ruling of the site be what it is for Rikki and for the rest of us to avoid making statements when we don't know the facts (or some of the facts). Instead, we should all make sure we focus on our own integrity and help ensure the entegrity of the site instead of casting stones (even for the hard asses out there ;-) ).

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07/31/2006 02:01:27 AM · #183

Originally posted by macpapas:

He did not purposely solicit the votes received nor conger up a scheme to dupe the DPC community.

I believe that he either knew, or should have known that it was going on. When entries are supposed to be as anonymous like they are here, forwarding them to 30-40 people who are registered members (whether they are active in the forums or not) surely violates the spirit of anonymity.

colyla

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07/31/2006 02:01:33 AM · #184

Originally posted by mk:

Originally posted by macpapas:
He did not purposely solicit the votes received nor conger up a scheme to dupe the DPC community.

He accidentally forwarded his entry to 30 people over 40 times? I'm not quite sure how that works.

I thought it....you said it.

PhilipDyer

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

07/31/2006 02:01:34 AM · #185

Originally posted by skiprow:

philip, i was simply responding to the way you responded to colette. it's one thing be there for a friend, it's another thing to defend, apologize, and try to explain indefensible actions. i have an acquaintance that was just found by his wife to be in the throws of a two+ year long affair. a drunken night out could be explained and maybe forgiven, but to continually, cognizantly repeat the same sober behavior is simply not defensible or acceptable.

I like you, Skip, and don't want to argue with you when the topic is still highly emotional. I just want to point out that I did not defend, apologize or try to explain Rikki's actions. I said his actions were wrong, plain and simple. If I had known he was doing this, I would have tried to stop him.

scalvert

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6

07/31/2006 02:02:34 AM · #186

Originally posted by mk:

Better double check your peeps. Now that it's happened once, you'd be up for a ban.

No problem there. I don't think I've EVER had 30 friends! ;-)

amber

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

07/31/2006 02:03:09 AM · #187

Originally posted by Southern Gentleman:

Did these "ghost" accounts enter any challenges or just vote? If they just voted then I would think that all other votes they cast were random and not based on the pictures they were scoring. The only reason they look OK was to keep from their votes being wiped. And the 20% or more votes was so that the one vote they wanted (Rikki's) to count. And if thats the case then all their votes are erroneous whether it be a high or low score and should be wiped.
Just my opinion.
Thanks
SDW

This was what I thought, but that would mean someone would have to tell them not to vote so low on other images so that their votes would be noticed or discounted.
As for sharing his passion with these people - did they vote on challenges Rikki was not in? Did they enter themselves? Did they contribute to the forums? If not how is that sharing a passion?

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07/31/2006 02:03:31 AM · #188

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by mk:
Better double check your peeps. Now that it's happened once, you'd be up for a ban.

No problem there. I don't think I've EVER had 30 friends! ;-)

Me either. And even my friends tell me my work is average.

ursula

Fujifilm X-T2

07/31/2006 02:04:56 AM · #189

Originally posted by idnic:

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by mk:
Better double check your peeps. Now that it's happened once, you'd be up for a ban.

No problem there. I don't think I've EVER had 30 friends! ;-)

Me either. And even my friends tell me my work is average.

Geez! My kids tell me that :)

PhantomEWO

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07/31/2006 02:05:36 AM · #190

A lot of talk talk talk but no suggestions on what to do. May I suggest the following.

1. Delete all accounts that have no camera, sorry but this is a photo site, to actively participat you really need a camera.

2. Do not allow voting until the person has submitted three photos in challenges. This allows time to learn the site and see how others vote. This also elimates in-part the friend and workmate voting. If you want to be a part of dpc then take some pics and submit them. Vote only or thread discussion only is not contributing to the photography learning.

Riki is gone, let's let this one die, it is no longer serving any purpose.

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07/31/2006 02:05:45 AM · #191

Originally posted by ursula:

Geez! My kids tell me that :)

Obviously they need more chores! ;)

Skip

Canon EOS-1D X

07/31/2006 02:05:50 AM · #192

Originally posted by PhilipDyer:

I just want to point out that I did not defend, apologize or try to explain Rikki's actions. I said his actions were wrong, plain and simple. If I had known he was doing this, I would have tried to stop him.

point taken, philip, and i really wish you had been close enough to him to catch him before he fell.

muckpond

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07/31/2006 02:05:51 AM · #193

Originally posted by idnic:

And even my friends tell me my work is average.

and those are your friends? eep! :P

ursula

Fujifilm X-T2

Fujifilm XF 55-200mm f/3.5-4.8 R LM OIS

07/31/2006 02:07:17 AM · #194

Originally posted by idnic:

Originally posted by ursula:

Geez! My kids tell me that :)

Obviously they need more chores! ;)

Can I quote you tomorrow? Something like, OK, kids, Cindi says you now have to .....

:)

Canon EF 300mm f/2.8L IS USM

07/31/2006 02:07:52 AM · #195

Originally posted by muckpond:

and those are your friends? eep! :P

... and so I live vicariously through DPC, and so it is, and so it is... :/

lol

Skip

Canon EOS-1D X

07/31/2006 02:07:57 AM · #196

Originally posted by scalvert:

I don't think I've EVER had 30 friends! ;-)

understandable... ;-)

07/31/2006 02:08:43 AM · #197

Originally posted by ursula:

Can I quote you tomorrow? Something like, OK, kids, Cindi says you now have to .....

:)

Yeah, then give em my address. Walking that should give you a good month of free-time! :D

scalvert

07/31/2006 02:09:31 AM · #198

Originally posted by PhantomEWO:

Delete all accounts that have no camera, sorry but this is a photo site, to actively participate you really need a camera.

If my camera breaks tomorrow I can't vote? *sniff*

scalvert