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07/31/2006 12:53:27 AM · #76 |
Originally posted by Cutter:
How in the technological and sleuthing world did D & L ever discover this? I mean well done and you have all of my commendations. If possible, could we know? |
they plant moles and hire spies :p so never trust your buddy, your teachers, parents or even your harmless pet hamster! |
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07/31/2006 12:54:00 AM · #77 |
Originally posted by Firsty:
this has affected a lot of people
me for one, I have lost my blue ribbon due to the removal of votes.
I had a very close win in the duo challenge and now the 1st and second places have changed.... I know it is right to change but it doesn't make it any easer |
So have all challenges been recalculated already or is the script still working?
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07/31/2006 12:56:10 AM · #78 |
Originally posted by PhilipDyer:
While I would never have done what Rikki did and don't condone his actions, I just want to say that he has been and remains a good and trusted friend. I think everyone likes to share their passions with their friends and to receive as much support from them as possible, and that this just led to a slippery slope where he was getting more support from his circle than was acceptable. It wasn't like he was getting 40 extra 10s in each challenge, but apparently it did affect his scores, which is a clear violation of the spirit and letter of this site's rules.
However, I can't state strongly enough that I don't believe that Rikki "stole" a thing here. His ribbon winners were all outstanding photographs, as were pretty much all the rest of them. He earned the ribbons he got and was an outstanding contributor to this site. I agree with the reason for his leaving, but this site will be significantly worse off for his departure.
Before jumping on the accusative and judgemental bandwagon here, I would appreciate it if everyone would take a moment first to think about how much Rikki contributed to this site and perhaps even to your own personal development as a photographer. I'll miss Rikki terribly, and believe that most people here will as well. |
I've reread this several times....please tell me you're kidding.
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07/31/2006 12:56:13 AM · #79 |
Originally posted by jpeters:
Originally posted by yanko:
For starters lets remember that all DPC hands out are virtual ribbons. |
Technically, this is true, but for anyone selling prints on DPCPrints, "lost" ribbons means no showcase in the Winners Gallery and significantly fewer views. Both of those translates to fewer sales. |
Ah ok. I wasn't aware of a winners gallery. |
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07/31/2006 12:57:03 AM · #80 |
Originally posted by yanko:
They'll get their ribbons for what those are worth...The point about nobody losing anything is true...nobody has lost any awards. |
Maybe someone could PM Firsty, and tell him he shouldn't be upset at losing a blue ribbon?
Originally posted by Firsty:
this has affected a lot of people
me for one, I have lost my blue ribbon due to the removal of votes.
I had a very close win in the duo challenge and now the 1st and second places have changed.... I know it is right to change but it doesn't make it any easer |
As has been pointed out before, exposure on the home page also relates to exposure in DPC prints in the Winners Gallery. Seems to me there is a real possibility of some lost sales.
But lets welcome back the cheaters, whoever they are, and nevermind about the lost sales and lost publicity and general adverse affect on the community. |
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07/31/2006 12:57:36 AM · #81 |
Originally posted by PhilipDyer:
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However, I can't state strongly enough that I don't believe that Rikki "stole" a thing here. His ribbon winners were all outstanding photographs, as were pretty much all the rest of them. He earned the ribbons he got and was an outstanding contributor to this site. I agree with the reason for his leaving, but this site will be significantly worse off for his departure.
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He stole other people's opportunity to have their work displayed on the front page. |
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07/31/2006 12:58:04 AM · #82 |
Originally posted by L2:
Originally posted by yanko:
They'll get their ribbons for what those are worth...The point about nobody losing anything is true...nobody has lost any awards. |
Maybe someone could PM Firsty, and tell him he shouldn't be upset at losing a blue ribbon?
Originally posted by Firsty:
this has affected a lot of people
me for one, I have lost my blue ribbon due to the removal of votes.
I had a very close win in the duo challenge and now the 1st and second places have changed.... I know it is right to change but it doesn't make it any easer |
As has been pointed out before, exposure on the home page also relates to exposure in DPC prints in the Winners Gallery. Seems to me there is a real possibility of some lost sales.
But lets welcome back the cheaters, whoever they are, and nevermind about the lost sales and lost publicity and general adverse affect on the community. |
i'm asking for clarification on this ribbon bizness. afaik, no one should be losing votes. |
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07/31/2006 12:58:26 AM · #83 |
Originally posted by BakerBug:
Originally posted by PhilipDyer:
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However, I can't state strongly enough that I don't believe that Rikki "stole" a thing here. His ribbon winners were all outstanding photographs, as were pretty much all the rest of them. He earned the ribbons he got and was an outstanding contributor to this site. I agree with the reason for his leaving, but this site will be significantly worse off for his departure.
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He stole other people's opportunity to have their work displayed on the front page. |
And all this attention is stealing voters away from my fantabulous zen entry...everyone move along and VOTE. ;)
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07/31/2006 12:59:22 AM · #84 |
This is sad to see. When I joined he was one of the photographers that caught my eye. Now knowing that he cheated.....His apology is to little to late.
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07/31/2006 01:00:00 AM · #85 |
Originally posted by L2:
Maybe someone could PM Firsty, and tell him he shouldn't be upset at losing a blue ribbon? |
I'm not quite sure what happened there. I don't think any votes were removed, as the votes assigned to other entries appeared reasonable, we simply DQ'd any of the offender's entries that were influenced. |
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07/31/2006 01:01:27 AM · #86 |
Originally posted by muckpond:
i'm asking for clarification on this ribbon bizness. afaik, no one should be losing votes. |
I haven't lost any ribbons, but my scores have definitely changed. My profile page now has different pictures listed as my top four entries. |
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07/31/2006 01:03:58 AM · #87 |
Originally posted by Artyste:
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by L2:
Originally posted by yanko:
... Nobody has lost anything except him. He's lost the trust of a lot of people and that more than anything is what he is upset about. What he did was definitely wrong but he's not some hack that just came in trying to screw with DPC. No, he came here like everyone else did to grow as a photographer, which he did if you just look at his images from start to finish. Fact is he's a pretty good photographer with very good images many of which would still out score mine without the buddy votes as sad as that is for me. :P
Seriously, what he did was very wrong but I'll forgive him because I know he is a good man. I for one hope he does return just so he can clear his name. That's all. |
Nobody lost anything but him? What about the users that should have had their image on the front page for winning a ribbon, but didn't? They lost the extra publicity, no?
Those who can forgive someone who's rooked them for what must have been well over a year (given it's 40+ challenges) I have to wonder just how much more cheating is required for a permanent ban. Two years? 80 challenges? |
They'll get their ribbons for what those are worth. As for the extra publicity of being on the front page maybe that's something the admins can arrange as a one time thing? For example, have an extra row for those older challenges until each one has been reposted. The point about nobody losing anything is true. The admins are able to track things like this so A.) the results are still trust worthy and B.) nobody has lost any awards. DPC just hands out virtual ribbons which don't get much on ebay last I checked and I have checked! :P |
well hell, then let's all just spend a year cheating the system. No harm done!
Utter, and complete nonsense. But if justifying what Rikki has done makes you feel better, I'm sorry. |
I was stating facts as in what is awarded to the winners, (i.e. virtual ribbons). None of this has made me feel better. I expressed my opinion, which differs from yours. Big whoop. I mentioned in my first post that I totally understand people for not forgiving him but I can most certainly forgive him as it is my right. I am not justifying anything. What he did was wrong. Period. |
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07/31/2006 01:03:58 AM · #88 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by L2:
Maybe someone could PM Firsty, and tell him he shouldn't be upset at losing a blue ribbon? |
I'm not quite sure what happened there. I don't think any votes were removed, as the votes assigned to other entries appeared reasonable, we simply DQ'd any of the offender's entries that were influenced. |
Wouldn't the 'ghost account' votes be deleted along with the accounts? Meaning they never existed.
P.S. Do the votes/rankings change automatically? Note the 4th place photo here |
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07/31/2006 01:04:34 AM · #89 |
Originally posted by BakerBug:
Originally posted by muckpond:
i'm asking for clarification on this ribbon bizness. afaik, no one should be losing votes. |
I haven't lost any ribbons, but my scores have definitely changed. My profile page now has different pictures listed as my top four entries. |
Iono, mine haven't changed at all, weird stuff is going down. |
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07/31/2006 01:05:40 AM · #90 |
Shame.
The addicition to be on the front page, the climb up the ladder of favorites and the publicity came at a cost.
Shame too, as his photography was good, and was personally improving by leaps & bounds and learned the DPC recipe for success. Shame I can't keep him in my list of favorites anymore, but I won't feel sorry for him either.
He made his bed, and now has to sleep in it, as this site moves forward without him.
Oh and Rikki - stop by anytime - you need a good ass-whoopin' son. |
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07/31/2006 01:06:43 AM · #91 |
Originally posted by MrEd:
P.S. Do the votes/rankings change automatically? Note the 4th place photo here |
Recalculation is still in progress.
~Terry
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07/31/2006 01:06:49 AM · #92 |
Originally posted by MrEd:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by L2:
Maybe someone could PM Firsty, and tell him he shouldn't be upset at losing a blue ribbon? |
I'm not quite sure what happened there. I don't think any votes were removed, as the votes assigned to other entries appeared reasonable, we simply DQ'd any of the offender's entries that were influenced. |
Wouldn't the 'ghost account' votes be deleted along with the accounts? Meaning they never existed.
P.S. Do the votes/rankings change automatically? Note the 4th place photo here |
Not all of Rikki's entries were DQed. The DQed entries were in open challenges (not member challenges). The ghost accounts were not members. |
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07/31/2006 01:08:02 AM · #93 |
Originally posted by MrEd:
Wouldn't the 'ghost account' votes be deleted along with the accounts? Meaning they never existed.
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they aren't deleted. the accounts are suspended. other than with respect to the one user, the rest of their voting patterns were normal.
Originally posted by MrEd:
P.S. Do the votes/rankings change automatically? Note the 4th place photo here |
only entries in Open challenges were disqualified, as the bulk of the ghost accounts were not members of the site and couldn't vote in member challenges. |
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07/31/2006 01:08:38 AM · #94 |
Originally posted by colyla:
I've reread this several times....please tell me you're kidding. |
Rikki's my friend and I'm standing by him. His photography is outstanding. I never once saw a ribbon-winning image of his and wondered why it won. I thought every one of his ribbons was well deserved at the time, and my opinion has not changed. I hate that this has happened and don't condone Rikki's actions, but I stand by my friend and my original statement.
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07/31/2006 01:08:56 AM · #95 |
Originally posted by ursula:
Originally posted by MrEd:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by L2:
Maybe someone could PM Firsty, and tell him he shouldn't be upset at losing a blue ribbon? |
I'm not quite sure what happened there. I don't think any votes were removed, as the votes assigned to other entries appeared reasonable, we simply DQ'd any of the offender's entries that were influenced. |
Wouldn't the 'ghost account' votes be deleted along with the accounts? Meaning they never existed.
P.S. Do the votes/rankings change automatically? Note the 4th place photo here |
Not all of Rikki's entries were DQed. The DQed entries were in open challenges (not member challenges). The ghost accounts were not members. |
proof that he didn't NEED those ghost accounts to do well. |
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07/31/2006 01:09:22 AM · #96 |
I'm both saddened and disappointed. I could almost understand it if there were actual prizes to be won. But this is a site where the prizes are respect and recognition for good work from other photographers.
Cheating to win a prize is bad, but cheating to gain respect is an act of betrayal toward every photographer on the site.
I appreciate Rikki's apology but I don't agree that he should be welcomed back in a year. This is a major offence that undermines the integrety of the site and I believe he, and anyone else who does this same thing, should be banned for life.
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07/31/2006 01:09:24 AM · #97 |
Originally posted by Firsty:
this has affected a lot of people
me for one, I have lost my blue ribbon due to the removal of votes.
I had a very close win in the duo challenge and now the 1st and second places have changed.... I know it is right to change but it doesn't make it any easer |
You have my sympathy, Firsty. I'm glad to see you understand. In reality, you won the red; Rikki's crew just fooled us all into not knowing that until now. |
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07/31/2006 01:09:54 AM · #98 |
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
Originally posted by MrEd:
P.S. Do the votes/rankings change automatically? Note the 4th place photo here |
Recalculation is still in progress.
~Terry |
Originally posted by ursula:
Not all of Rikki's entries were DQed. The DQed entries were in open challenges (not member challenges). The ghost accounts were not members. |
So because the 'ghost accounts' were not members, those photos will not be DQ'ed?
Edited to add;
Originally posted by kyebosh:
proof that he didn't NEED those ghost accounts to do well. |
Exactly, I saw his portfolio. Excellent!!
Message edited by author 2006-07-31 01:11:20. |
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07/31/2006 01:11:41 AM · #99 |
Originally posted by MrEd:
So because the 'ghost accounts' were not members, those photos will not be DQ'ed?
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right. |
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07/31/2006 01:12:18 AM · #100 |
Originally posted by MrEd:
So because the 'ghost accounts' were not members, those photos will not be DQ'ed? |
Non-members couldn't influence the vote on Member challenges, so no reason to DQ those. |
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