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07/31/2006 12:39:21 AM · #51 |
Actually, winning ribbons is more important than just "virtual ribbons". It's a very very well known photography contest, and you could put them on your resume, believe it or not.
When trying to get a job at a magazine or something and your portfolio and credentials are similar to the next person, these are the kind of "extras" that can get you chosen over the other guy.
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07/31/2006 12:40:15 AM · #52 |
Originally posted by MacClavey:
I just feel sad... he was a decent photographer and could have stood on his own merits.. maybe he wanted to be popular and one way to be popular would be to win ribbons.. ... just sad.. no doubt the rest will be exposed as well which is a good thing and I thank SC for their diligence. |
Well who is it that has the sig "I've won a ribbon so I know what I am talking about". I believe it's Slippy's. I think it's funny because at some level it's true.
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07/31/2006 12:40:55 AM · #53 |
Originally posted by ergo:
Would like to see his profile, perhaps with a note attached as to why he's being suspended, and all his images, just for the record. |
The ultimate brown ribbon |
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07/31/2006 12:42:12 AM · #54 |
Originally posted by yanko:
... Nobody has lost anything except him. He's lost the trust of a lot of people and that more than anything is what he is upset about. What he did was definitely wrong but he's not some hack that just came in trying to screw with DPC. No, he came here like everyone else did to grow as a photographer, which he did if you just look at his images from start to finish. Fact is he's a pretty good photographer with very good images many of which would still out score mine without the buddy votes as sad as that is for me. :P
Seriously, what he did was very wrong but I'll forgive him because I know he is a good man. I for one hope he does return just so he can clear his name. That's all. |
Nobody lost anything but him? What about the users that should have had their image on the front page for winning a ribbon, but didn't? They lost the extra publicity, no?
Those who can forgive someone who's rooked them for what must have been well over a year (given it's 40+ challenges) I have to wonder just how much more cheating is required for a permanent ban. Two years? 80 challenges?
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07/31/2006 12:42:34 AM · #55 |
Originally posted by langdon:
We're saddened to report the discovery of a disturbing case of mass buddy voting. We recently discovered that a member of the site had been distributing information about challenge entries to a group of over 30 individuals who had been encouraged to register for the site. Those individuals then artificially inflated the score of the user's challenge entries. |
Did these 30 ghost accounts submit any challenge entries, and did they also voted among themselves? Is this possibility dealth with as well? Just curious. |
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07/31/2006 12:43:24 AM · #56 |
Rikki "had been distributing information about challenge entries to a group of over 30 individuals"
Will those individuals lose their privileges too?? They knowingly voted for him...weren't they cheating too?
Just a thought...
Sorry, crayon...I was typing with ya...
Message edited by author 2006-07-31 00:44:02. |
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07/31/2006 12:44:33 AM · #57 |
I am sure this will cause a few meetings between "others" and reconsider the "things"...
so, very good catch :)
God job Langdon, and SCs... Although I am jealous of your look in posts, you guys deserve it ;) |
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07/31/2006 12:46:58 AM · #58 |
Originally posted by ergo:
Would like to see his profile, perhaps with a note attached as to why he's being suspended, and all his images, just for the record.
Removing his profile from the site simply wipes this off the record. But keeping his profile accessible shows that someone who has violated some basic rules has been caught and dealt with. |
Rikki submitted a ticket and requested to cancel his account. Even though he has been suspended, he has a right to do this. Canceled profiles are not visible to the public.
~Terry
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07/31/2006 12:47:17 AM · #59 |
Two clarifications:
The accounts involved in the cheating have been suspended.
In most cases, the buddy votes did not change placement of entries, in some cases entries were only shifted by 1 or 2 placements. I am fairly sick of running statistics, but if I have the time, I will show a calculation of before and after (or someone can check Google cache, post their findings, and save me some time). |
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07/31/2006 12:47:35 AM · #60 |
Originally posted by L2:
What about the users that should have had their image on the front page for winning a ribbon, but didn't? They lost the extra publicity, no? |
We have/are considering doing something about that. |
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07/31/2006 12:47:42 AM · #61 |
Originally posted by yanko:
For starters lets remember that all DPC hands out are virtual ribbons. |
Technically, this is true, but for anyone selling prints on DPCPrints, "lost" ribbons means no showcase in the Winners Gallery and significantly fewer views. Both of those translates to fewer sales.
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07/31/2006 12:47:53 AM · #62 |
Originally posted by L2:
Originally posted by yanko:
... Nobody has lost anything except him. He's lost the trust of a lot of people and that more than anything is what he is upset about. What he did was definitely wrong but he's not some hack that just came in trying to screw with DPC. No, he came here like everyone else did to grow as a photographer, which he did if you just look at his images from start to finish. Fact is he's a pretty good photographer with very good images many of which would still out score mine without the buddy votes as sad as that is for me. :P
Seriously, what he did was very wrong but I'll forgive him because I know he is a good man. I for one hope he does return just so he can clear his name. That's all. |
Nobody lost anything but him? What about the users that should have had their image on the front page for winning a ribbon, but didn't? They lost the extra publicity, no?
Those who can forgive someone who's rooked them for what must have been well over a year (given it's 40+ challenges) I have to wonder just how much more cheating is required for a permanent ban. Two years? 80 challenges? |
They'll get their ribbons for what those are worth. As for the extra publicity of being on the front page maybe that's something the admins can arrange as a one time thing? For example, have an extra row for those older challenges until each one has been reposted. The point about nobody losing anything is true. The admins are able to track things like this so A.) the results are still trust worthy and B.) nobody has lost any awards. DPC just hands out virtual ribbons which don't get much on ebay last I checked and I have checked! :P
Message edited by author 2006-07-31 00:49:20. |
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07/31/2006 12:48:01 AM · #63 |
surprising, but others comments are well put (for the most part).
One Question if those with authority can answer:
How in the technological and sleuthing world did D & L ever discover this? I mean well done and you have all of my commendations. If possible, could we know?
Now, let us move onto more honourable topics and not linger here too long!
Message edited by author 2006-07-31 00:48:23.
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07/31/2006 12:48:28 AM · #64 |
I have to say I am really sad about this as Rikki was a great encourager and supporter of not just me, but many of us. I am shocked and disappointed. I am sure Rikki is now feeling the brunt of making not one but many, many wrong choices. Your sins will always find you out...
I certainly hope this is not widespread and to tell you the truth, all of these sub-clubs and competitions are a real concern to me, because nothing stops anyone from doing what has been done here. It makes me nervous to know there are all these alliances where people could stack the votes secretly.
I hope the Site Council does all they can to weed any of this out. For this courageous move today, they have my full support.
As for Rikki...I hope the best for him and I hope he lives to learn that integrity, character, trust and truth come at a price
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07/31/2006 12:48:48 AM · #65 |
this has affected a lot of people
me for one, I have lost my blue ribbon due to the removal of votes.
I had a very close win in the duo challenge and now the 1st and second places have changed.... I know it is right to change but it doesn't make it any easer
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07/31/2006 12:50:27 AM · #66 |
Originally posted by Cutter:
How in the technological and sleuthing world did D & L ever discover this? I mean well done and you have all of my commendations. If possible, could we know?
Now, let us move onto more honourable topics and not linger here too long! |
Now you dont seriously think they'll give up their secrets...do you?
Message edited by author 2006-07-31 00:50:56. |
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07/31/2006 12:50:57 AM · #67 |
Originally posted by Cutter:
How in the technological and sleuthing world did D & L ever discover this? |
Some things are better left unsaid. Just remember that everything is trackable. |
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07/31/2006 12:51:13 AM · #68 |
While I would never have done what Rikki did and don't condone his actions, I just want to say that he has been and remains a good and trusted friend. I think everyone likes to share their passions with their friends and to receive as much support from them as possible, and that this just led to a slippery slope where he was getting more support from his circle than was acceptable. It wasn't like he was getting 40 extra 10s in each challenge, but apparently it did affect his scores, which is a clear violation of the spirit and letter of this site's rules.
However, I can't state strongly enough that I don't believe that Rikki "stole" a thing here. His ribbon winners were all outstanding photographs, as were pretty much all the rest of them. He earned the ribbons he got and was an outstanding contributor to this site. I agree with the reason for his leaving, but this site will be significantly worse off for his departure.
Before jumping on the accusative and judgemental bandwagon here, I would appreciate it if everyone would take a moment first to think about how much Rikki contributed to this site and perhaps even to your own personal development as a photographer. I'll miss Rikki terribly, and believe that most people here will as well.
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07/31/2006 12:51:14 AM · #69 |
Originally posted by yanko:
For starters lets remember that all DPC hands out are virtual ribbons, which mean squat. Nobody has lost anything except him. He's lost the trust of a lot of people and that more than anything is what he is upset about. What he did was definitely wrong but he's not some hack that just came in trying to screw with DPC. No, he came here like everyone else did to grow as a photographer, which he did if you just look at his images from start to finish. Fact is he's a pretty good photographer with very good images many of which would still out score mine without the buddy votes as sad as that is for me. :P
Seriously, what he did was very wrong but I'll forgive him because I know he is a good man. I for one hope he does return just so he can clear his name. That's all.
ETA: This wasn't any attempt to devalue anybody else's opinions. I can totally understand if some refuse to accept his apology. |
I liked Rikki. I liked some of Rikki's photos. However, it's much easier to offer up a spoonful of regret after the fact than serve a 5 course apology while you're doing it. Apologies never meant much to me after someone was caught and this one is no exception. He cost a lot of people the chance to have their photos displayed on the front page that were legitimately voted on. He should feel bad for what he did, not embarrased for being caught.
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07/31/2006 12:51:26 AM · #70 |
Pretty disappointed really. But let the punishment fit the crime and be a lesson to those considering this sort of thing in the future.
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07/31/2006 12:52:07 AM · #71 |
Originally posted by langdon:
In most cases, the buddy votes did not change placement of entries, in some cases entries were only shifted by 1 or 2 placements. |
Hmmm... I once did some math and found that it took surprisingly few fudged votes to make a rather big difference. |
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07/31/2006 12:52:41 AM · #72 |
Originally posted by Cutter:
surprising, but others comments are well put (for the most part).
One Question if those with authority can answer:
How in the technological and sleuthing world did D & L ever discover this? I mean well done and you have all of my commendations. If possible, could we know?
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I believe an SC member mentioned that the lawn gnomes told them.
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07/31/2006 12:52:49 AM · #73 |
Originally posted by Firsty:
I have lost my blue ribbon due to the removal of votes. |
:-( |
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07/31/2006 12:52:59 AM · #74 |
Thanks for keeping this site honest, Langdon. This sucks for all of us, I just hope we move forward with our chins high and eyes open.
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07/31/2006 12:53:19 AM · #75 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by L2:
Originally posted by yanko:
... Nobody has lost anything except him. He's lost the trust of a lot of people and that more than anything is what he is upset about. What he did was definitely wrong but he's not some hack that just came in trying to screw with DPC. No, he came here like everyone else did to grow as a photographer, which he did if you just look at his images from start to finish. Fact is he's a pretty good photographer with very good images many of which would still out score mine without the buddy votes as sad as that is for me. :P
Seriously, what he did was very wrong but I'll forgive him because I know he is a good man. I for one hope he does return just so he can clear his name. That's all. |
Nobody lost anything but him? What about the users that should have had their image on the front page for winning a ribbon, but didn't? They lost the extra publicity, no?
Those who can forgive someone who's rooked them for what must have been well over a year (given it's 40+ challenges) I have to wonder just how much more cheating is required for a permanent ban. Two years? 80 challenges? |
They'll get their ribbons for what those are worth. As for the extra publicity of being on the front page maybe that's something the admins can arrange as a one time thing? For example, have an extra row for those older challenges until each one has been reposted. The point about nobody losing anything is true. The admins are able to track things like this so A.) the results are still trust worthy and B.) nobody has lost any awards. DPC just hands out virtual ribbons which don't get much on ebay last I checked and I have checked! :P |
well hell, then let's all just spend a year cheating the system. No harm done!
Utter, and complete nonsense. But if justifying what Rikki has done makes you feel better, I'm sorry.
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