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07/27/2006 08:29:43 AM · #26 |
I use Av and sometimes Tv when I'm doing landscape shots, but 98% of the time I'm in full M mode. I prefer to be in control of the technology, and make the decisions myself :-p
I was teaching a friend to use her P&S more fully the other night and she set it in the Green Box mode. I thought I was gonna' have a heart attack, and quickly made her change it. Green Box mode....**shudders**
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07/27/2006 08:38:23 AM · #27 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by coolhar:
... The slow shutter speed pretty much eliminates anything handheld with a telephoto lens. ... |
He said => 1/125, so it's faster shutter speeds to be used.
I think the aperture should be =< 8 (instead of < 8).
Overall, it sounds like fun. ;^) |
Exactly. Most all of us use the manual mode but putting limits on SS and Amp. to limit the time and type of picture to be taken.
Extra Rules: SS must be equal to or greater than 1/125. Amp. must be equal to or less than 8.0.
No shutter speeds less than 1/125 (i.e. 1/80, 1/60, 1/30, etc. is grounds for DQ)
No Apertures less than greater than 8.0 (i.e. 11.0, 13.0, 22.0, etc is grounds for DQ)
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07/27/2006 08:41:20 AM · #28 |
Originally posted by Southern Gentleman:
...No Apertures less than greater than 8.0 (i.e. 11.0, 13.0, 22.0, etc is grounds for DQ) |
Didn't you mean to say "No Apertures greater than 8.0 (i.e. 11.0, 13.0, 22.0, etc is grounds for DQ)"? |
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07/27/2006 08:48:52 AM · #29 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by Southern Gentleman:
...No Apertures less than greater than 8.0 (i.e. 11.0, 13.0, 22.0, etc is grounds for DQ) |
Didn't you mean to say "No Apertures greater than 8.0 (i.e. 11.0, 13.0, 22.0, etc is grounds for DQ)"? |
Well, that depends on if you're talking about the size of the hole, or the size of the number.... :)
Message edited by author 2006-07-27 08:49:00. |
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07/27/2006 08:49:31 AM · #30 |
Hmmm...I did't know people on actually use other modes other than manual. I've only used auto when doing quick candids of actions that I can't possibly reshoot. I tried to use scenic once to learn....didn't work out well for me.
Although I rarely do shots with a Tv greater than 1/125. I think I sit around that 1/80 mark. I'd like to do this challenge. If DPC doesn't do it..can we just take some shots and post the photos here anyway?
Would you use advance or basic editing??
Message edited by author 2006-07-27 08:49:49. |
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07/27/2006 09:02:51 AM · #31 |
Originally posted by jhonan:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by Southern Gentleman:
...No Apertures less than greater than 8.0 (i.e. 11.0, 13.0, 22.0, etc is grounds for DQ) |
Didn't you mean to say "No Apertures greater than 8.0 (i.e. 11.0, 13.0, 22.0, etc is grounds for DQ)"? |
Well, that depends on if you're talking about the size of the hole, or the size of the number.... :) |
;^) Thought about that. Numeric reference is probably best. |
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07/27/2006 09:09:49 AM · #32 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by Southern Gentleman:
...No Apertures less than greater than 8.0 (i.e. 11.0, 13.0, 22.0, etc is grounds for DQ) |
Didn't you mean to say "No Apertures greater than 8.0 (i.e. 11.0, 13.0, 22.0, etc is grounds for DQ)"? |
I was using the size of Aperture number not the amount of light increase (opening size). Trying to keep it simple.
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07/27/2006 09:14:52 AM · #33 |
Originally posted by albc28:
Hmmm...I did't know people on actually use other modes other than manual. I've only used auto when doing quick candids of actions that I can't possibly reshoot. I tried to use scenic once to learn....didn't work out well for me.
Although I rarely do shots with a Tv greater than 1/125. I think I sit around that 1/80 mark. I'd like to do this challenge. If DPC doesn't do it..can we just take some shots and post the photos here anyway?
Would you use advance or basic editing?? |
Advanced. You will be surprised at the people that use Av mode (including myself) sometimes. I like the manual mode and use it often. But when quick shots are required I often go to the Av or Tv mode. Such as air shows, races, birds in flight, etc.
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07/27/2006 09:15:25 AM · #34 |
Originally posted by Southern Gentleman:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by Southern Gentleman:
...No Apertures less than greater than 8.0 (i.e. 11.0, 13.0, 22.0, etc is grounds for DQ) |
Didn't you mean to say "No Apertures greater than 8.0 (i.e. 11.0, 13.0, 22.0, etc is grounds for DQ)"? |
I was using the size of Aperture number not the amount of light increase (opening size). Trying to keep it simple. |
I understand, it was the "less than greater than" that sounded confusing. Trying to help with the simple part. ;^) I can just hear the forum threads now regarding the challenge description. He-he. |
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07/27/2006 09:20:42 AM · #35 |
To simply Extra Rules
 Challenge: Manual mode
Details:Show off your photographer skills by shooting in the manual mode only.
 Extra Rules: To make the challenge more challenging your shutter speed must be 1/125 or faster and your aperture must be between f/1.4 and f/8.0. Failure to shoot in manual mode and within the shutter speed and aperture limits are grounds for DQ.
Message edited by author 2006-07-27 09:40:11.
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07/27/2006 09:24:38 AM · #36 |
Originally posted by Southern Gentleman:
Extra Rules: your shutter speed must be 1/125 or greater |
To clarify even more:
Change greater to "faster" or "slower" depending on what you mean, then you have a winner. :)
edit: And add (inclusive) after the apertures, for clarity's sake.
Message edited by author 2006-07-27 09:29:26.
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07/27/2006 09:36:16 AM · #37 |
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07/27/2006 09:37:45 AM · #38 |
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07/27/2006 11:17:53 AM · #39 |
Sorry, but this makes no sense.
It doesn't really make any difference which mode you use. All you are doing is setting exposure -- in manual you set the aperture and shutter speed directly, but in the aperture/shutter priority modes while you set one and the other is set by the camera, you can override with the EV setting. So still two manual controls allow setting both aperture and shutter speed.
I almost always shoot in manual mode because for me it is easier (my first SLR had no metering and the second had TTL metering that was basically more manual than manual is now). Aperture and shutter priority, (shudder) Program and Auto modes, and auto-ISO just add confusion to a basically simple process (from a mechanical point of view) of setting the exposure.
Now the "revised" extra rules "To make the challenge more challenging your shutter speed must be 1/125 or faster and your aperture must be between f/1.4 and f/8.0." do provide a challenge of their own although I'm not really sure what the impact would be other than potentially limiting depth of field and ruling out many low-light shots. |
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07/27/2006 11:56:25 AM · #40 |
Originally posted by talmy:
... ruling out many low-light shots. |
Can anyone say ISO 3200? ;^) |
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07/27/2006 12:37:50 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by talmy:
... ruling out many low-light shots. |
Can anyone say ISO 3200? ;^) |
Not if you have a P&S.... |
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07/27/2006 12:45:35 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by Raziel:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by talmy:
... ruling out many low-light shots. |
Can anyone say ISO 3200? ;^) |
Not if you have a P&S.... |
Oops. Looks like you max out at ISO 400. ;^) |
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07/27/2006 11:53:10 PM · #43 |
To all the posters who have said they only use Manual mode, and to the ones who have made jokes like "is ther any other mode", I say get a life. You really need to get out more.
I use P mode when an opportunity for a shot arises suddenly and I don't have time to plan it before the opportunity disappears; and when I am pursueing a subject thru changing light conditions.
I use Av mode when I want to control Depth of Field.
I use Tv mode when I want to freeze movement, or to control the amount of blur in my shots.
I use Manual mode when I want to go against the norms and produce something abnormal.
If you don't understand the purpose of all the controls your camera's have, and think you you are smarter than the computers in them, why not just buy a simple box camera and go back to shooting film. You don't need the sophisticated electronics of a DSLR to shoot in Manual mode.
I do see some learning value in this proposed challenge, but please get the description down to something that can be understood by the people who need that learning most. And spare us all the "I only shoot in Manual" snobbery, that isn't helping anyone learn anything.
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07/27/2006 11:56:43 PM · #44 |
Just like reading a manual :)
Actually Harv, it seems to me you sound like the "snob". Maybe it's just me :P
Message edited by author 2006-07-27 23:57:47. |
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07/28/2006 12:01:21 AM · #45 |
Originally posted by Rikki:
Just like reading a manual :)
Actually Harv, it seems to me you sound like the "snob". Maybe it's just me :P |
I only shoot in all four modes.
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07/28/2006 12:01:27 AM · #46 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
I use P mode when an opportunity for a shot arises suddenly and I don't have time to plan it before the opportunity disappears; and when I am pursueing a subject thru changing light conditions. |
I would have caught Superman flying by the skies yesterday evening if I had not been trying to use the M-mode :p But seriously, I almost never use the M-mode because even if I do, it'll just end up with the same results I get with the P-mode (or some other Auto/semi-auto modes). |
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07/28/2006 10:47:56 AM · #47 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
To all the posters who have said they only use Manual mode, and to the ones who have made jokes like "is ther any other mode", I say get a life. You really need to get out more. |
Well I almost always use Manual mode but it isn't snobbery and I don't need to get out more (except to take pictures!) I use it because I am familiar with it and, frankly, except for action shots where automation is important, all four modes can give the same exposures using two controls. They just aren't the same two in the different modes.
So it really doesn't make any difference which mode you use, just use what you are most comfortable with for the situation.
Originally posted by coolhar:
I use P mode when an opportunity for a shot arises suddenly and I don't have time to plan it before the opportunity disappears; and when I am pursueing a subject thru changing light conditions.
I use Av mode when I want to control Depth of Field.
I use Tv mode when I want to freeze movement, or to control the amount of blur in my shots.
I use Manual mode when I want to go against the norms and produce something abnormal. |
I'll use Program mode for exactly the reasons you state, but I find it easier to use manual mode all the time for the other uses you state. For instance, to control DOF I set the aperture to what I desire then adjust the shutter speed for the correct exposure. To freeze movement I set the shutter spped then adjust the aperture for correct exposure. But again, it's just I.
Originally posted by coolhar:
If you don't understand the purpose of all the controls your camera's have, and think you you are smarter than the computers in them, why not just buy a simple box camera and go back to shooting film. You don't need the sophisticated electronics of a DSLR to shoot in Manual mode. |
People who think their cameras are smarter than they are always shoot AUTO. After all, for them, the camera always knows best. I think most people here realize that they are far smarter than their cameras!
Originally posted by coolhar:
I do see some learning value in this proposed challenge, but please get the description down to something that can be understood by the people who need that learning most. And spare us all the "I only shoot in Manual" snobbery, that isn't helping anyone learn anything. |
I think the point being made by manual shooters is that for them this is just another Free Study. Now the aperture/shutter limitations provide a challenge, but exactly how is that not understandable?
Message edited by author 2006-07-28 10:48:43. |
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07/28/2006 10:59:20 AM · #48 |
| Oh, come on! Only two Of my 14 lenses shows aperture data and I very rarely use them. |
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07/28/2006 12:28:23 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by Uusilehto:
Oh, come on! Only two Of my 14 lenses shows aperture data and I very rarely use them. |
You can read the aperture on the LCD on top of your camera, and in the viewfinder screen when composing. As far as I know, this works with all lenses compatible with the 20D's electronic controls. This is why lenses don't set the aperture on the lens barrel any longer; the camera does the setting, electronically, and it's much more precise (smaller increments available).
R.
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07/28/2006 12:47:40 PM · #50 |
Originally posted by talmy:
.... For instance, to control DOF I set the aperture to what I desire then adjust the shutter speed for the correct exposure. To freeze movement I set the shutter spped then adjust the aperture for correct exposure. ... |
When shooting for a desired DoF, and the "manual only" photog has set their camera to the correct aperture, how does he/she know what shutter speed to select? Shooting in Av lets the camera set the correct shutter speed. If the photog thinks he/she can meter light in their head, and make that decision better than their camera's electronics, that photog either has an exceptionally good (approaching superhuman) eye for light conditions; or is deluding themself. In most cases it would the latter. Trying to tell people that a normal person can do the job of a light meter in their head as well as, or better than, a camera is where the snobbery comes into play.
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Challenge: Manual mode
Extra Rules: To make the challenge more challenging your shutter speed must be 1/125 or faster and your aperture must be between f/1.4 and f/8.0. Failure to shoot in manual mode and within the shutter speed and aperture limits are grounds for DQ.
