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07/26/2006 11:54:25 AM · #1
There are superb images here on DPC. The recent ribbon winners are testament to that. Congratulations everyone.

In as much as it's great to see the "final" composition, could I please suggest to everyone (ribbons or not) that we at least try to include out originals in the comment section? It's a bummer that only SC and the Admins can get to see the originals. I understand that some photographers would like to keep the originals to themselves for fear that some of us might see them and think "Whoa, he/she got a ribbon from that original?".

But my friends, that's where the learning begins. My comments are often times long winded but there's a purpose. I find myself looking at entries and reading their comment section. I learn from everyone here but only from those who include something on the comments.

Lastly, I think it also gives a bit of encouragement and hope for everyone seeing the original. With a little "vision" and skill in post processing, people will improve their images dramatically.

What do you say? who's with me?

Cheers,

Rikki
07/26/2006 11:55:42 AM · #2
excellent suggestion.

p.s. the next time I win a ribbon I will definitely include the original! ;)
07/26/2006 11:58:02 AM · #3
"only" when you ribbon Don? LOL!
07/26/2006 12:01:12 PM · #4
Definitely sounds like a good idea! I like when people put down the editing they did to the get to the final submission too, just so you have an idea of how they got the finished result.
07/26/2006 12:04:00 PM · #5
370077.jpg

Alright then
07/26/2006 12:06:27 PM · #6
Editing? Well it's a RAW file, so in a sense there isn't an original. Starting from the RAW file you see here, which is the default RSP parameters (ie some processing already), I increased shadow contrast, and added 'fill light'. Rotated and cropped it. In CS2 I re-sized it and USM'd it a bit.
07/26/2006 12:12:00 PM · #7
I can't post originals in my entries. I have no portfolio. Unless of course dp created a command specifically for entries that would allow you to post an original when submitting. I think it is a great idea, and even if you don't list your processing steps, it would allow those who are pretty savvy with editing to figure out what was done.
07/26/2006 12:26:22 PM · #8
I've noticed that the thumb tags don't work in the details section of the photo. How do you do it?
07/26/2006 12:34:03 PM · #9
I woulde be afraid that i woulde be looked at as a postprosesser not a photographer.. not that its all that bad but im allways kind of scered of my originals
07/26/2006 12:34:23 PM · #10
I think it would be great if you had to submit a resized origional when you submitted your edited version. It would be a so interesting to see the finished producted Vs. the begining with every entry. A nice way to learn from the good and the bad.
07/26/2006 12:38:01 PM · #11
Amen! This will also help with validation for SC and reduce the burden on them. Most times I don't talk about the PP steps or show the original because I'm afraid I've broken a PP rule and don't want to draw attention to it. I'd love for this to be made mandatory. Of course we'd then have to worry about people rating on the basis of the processing done instead of the final product but I'd take that hit if it meant I was going to learn ..
07/26/2006 08:11:21 PM · #12
Originally posted by e301:

Editing? Well it's a RAW file, so in a sense there isn't an original. Starting from the RAW file you see here, which is the default RSP parameters (ie some processing already), I increased shadow contrast, and added 'fill light'. Rotated and cropped it. In CS2 I re-sized it and USM'd it a bit.


I can be a little slow, especially when my head's all stuffed up and I'm miserable... but I thought the RAW file *was* the original. Also, I'm not familiar with "default RSP parameters". I'm accepting hints...

Edit to add: Thanks, Rikki - very good idea, and hope to see more folks do this. Thanks to Ed, too, for including his original (and thanks for ribboning with a B&W photo.)

Message edited by author 2006-07-26 20:12:20.
07/26/2006 08:21:28 PM · #13
I shot in raw but this is the basic jpeg, which I am guessing s close to the origianl before any converting from raw whatsoever.
370229.jpg364994.jpgoriginal/edited entry
Converted from raw saved as a tiff and ran through neat image. rotated a few degrees, cropped Shadows/Highlights layer, 2 curves, Selective color and a photo filter. I faded the opacity on the photo filter to 29%, color was an orange red. selective color . Hue/saturation layer completely desaturated then used at 15% to control how much the color effects the image. USM and flattened, resized and ran through neat image once more and save for the web.
07/26/2006 08:23:38 PM · #14
It's the original in the sense of being what the camera records - after a little processing by the DIGIC chip, naturally (someone who knows - is that correct?). However, all RAW converter programs add some element of processing - so, just like you couldn't take film straight out of a camera and look at it, there is some work done before you get to the 'negative', so to speak.

Oh, and it's a full colour image - just a black and white scene. It would, as someone said, have fitted the perspective challenge; it would also, have fitted the 'black and white in colour' challenge.

e
07/26/2006 08:26:53 PM · #15
Originally posted by e301:

370077.jpg

Alright then

This image is just so kick in the *ss awesome I think it could have ribboned in any of those challenges.

07/26/2006 09:54:25 PM · #16
Originally posted by e301:

It's the original in the sense of being what the camera records - after a little processing by the DIGIC chip, naturally (someone who knows - is that correct?). However, all RAW converter programs add some element of processing - so, just like you couldn't take film straight out of a camera and look at it, there is some work done before you get to the 'negative', so to speak.

Oh, and it's a full colour image - just a black and white scene. It would, as someone said, have fitted the perspective challenge; it would also, have fitted the 'black and white in colour' challenge.

e


Me understand much better now. Thanks! And yes, I figured it wasn't truly a black and white image, but a black and white scene, which works just as nicely. Especially in this case. And in fact, I'm with Joe - I think we'll just declare you the winner for the current "black and white in colo(u)r" challenge.
07/26/2006 10:00:12 PM · #17
Glad to know a lot of people feel the same way. Ribbon or not, most of the time, I upload my originals and they are included in the comment section.

Message edited by author 2006-07-26 22:00:39.
07/26/2006 10:10:16 PM · #18
I think every time a challenge finishes, a thread should crop up to explain what the winner or first 10 enteries did. So that we all can learn.
I mean similar to the score thread. Like in this thread the winner of lines challenge have explained.
07/26/2006 10:14:23 PM · #19
Originally posted by posthumous:

I've noticed that the thumb tags don't work in the details section of the photo. How do you do it?


oh no, have I been shot by the Invisible Ray again?? anyone who posts thumbnails in the details section of their photos can answer this...
07/26/2006 10:17:24 PM · #20
Originally posted by posthumous:

Originally posted by posthumous:

I've noticed that the thumb tags don't work in the details section of the photo. How do you do it?


oh no, have I been shot by the Invisible Ray again?? anyone who posts thumbnails in the details section of their photos can answer this...


They work fine for me.

332319.jpg 350846.jpg 341762.jpg
07/26/2006 10:50:10 PM · #21
ah... ok, I learned something. Don't make your thumb tag the very first thing in your description!

thanks, Rikki. Ok, move along people... nothing to see here!
07/26/2006 11:09:22 PM · #22
I think it's a great idea. If you put the original in your portfolio, won't everyone see it when they visit? Is there a way to make it hidden until the challenge is over and then everyone can see it? On the jello shot I had to wait until morning to put it out there but I'm sure many missed it.

It is indeed a great learning opportunity. Now everyone knows to make jello, slap it on glass, light from below, and start shooting!
07/26/2006 11:16:20 PM · #23
Originally posted by mad_brewer:

I think it's a great idea. If you put the original in your portfolio, won't everyone see it when they visit? Is there a way to make it hidden until the challenge is over and then everyone can see it? On the jello shot I had to wait until morning to put it out there but I'm sure many missed it.

It is indeed a great learning opportunity. Now everyone knows to make jello, slap it on glass, light from below, and start shooting!


you can put the picture in your workspace folder
07/26/2006 11:28:58 PM · #24
Originally posted by posthumous:

Originally posted by mad_brewer:

I think it's a great idea. If you put the original in your portfolio, won't everyone see it when they visit? Is there a way to make it hidden until the challenge is over and then everyone can see it? On the jello shot I had to wait until morning to put it out there but I'm sure many missed it.

It is indeed a great learning opportunity. Now everyone knows to make jello, slap it on glass, light from below, and start shooting!


you can put the picture in your workspace folder


So only those who know the link is there can see it, right? And since nobody can see comments, the link is hidden until the challenge is over, right?

I think I get it.
07/27/2006 12:00:21 AM · #25
I totally agree, you can let me know if you wanna see the originals of any of my pictures, I'll start posting them when there is some interesting change, I guess in basic it doesn't really make a lot of sense...
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