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07/25/2006 01:45:44 PM · #1
The image formerly in First place in the Abstract Food challenge has been DQed for adding/removing major elements. Congrats hotpasta on the new ribbon.

The image formerly in 58th place in the abstract food challenge has been DQed for an effects filter that added a major element to the photo.

Message edited by author 2006-07-25 13:47:17.
07/25/2006 01:53:56 PM · #2
Was it for the removal of the "double and triple reflections" I'd like to know in case of mirror use in the future, and how do people usually deal with this problem to get mirror reflections at a low angle?
07/25/2006 01:56:53 PM · #3
Too bad :(
07/25/2006 01:57:57 PM · #4
Originally posted by wavelength:

Was it for the removal of the "double and triple reflections" I'd like to know in case of mirror use in the future, and how do people usually deal with this problem to get mirror reflections at a low angle?


That was part of it, yes. I saw on a different photo someone said that it was a thick mirror, so it casted a double reflection. Maybe thin mirrors don't cast as much of a double reflection? I'm totally guessing on that by what I read on someone elses image, so maybe someone else has a better explaination.
07/25/2006 01:59:08 PM · #5
Too bad, that seemed like a good image.
07/25/2006 02:00:11 PM · #6
thats a shame.

_bran(its still a fav.)do_
07/25/2006 02:02:18 PM · #7
Originally posted by HBunch:

That was part of it, yes. I saw on a different photo someone said that it was a thick mirror, so it casted a double reflection. Maybe thin mirrors don't cast as much of a double reflection? I'm totally guessing on that by what I read on someone elses image, so maybe someone else has a better explaination.


There are front-silvered mirrors available for this purpose; they create only a single reflection.

R.
07/25/2006 02:02:36 PM · #8
Oops! Nevermind...see it now. ;^)

Message edited by author 2006-07-25 14:03:07.
07/25/2006 02:03:31 PM · #9
Normal house mirrors have the silver on the backside (as I'm sure most of you know). At lower angles, you get the reflection off of the silver, as you want, but you also get the reflection from the top of the glass.
07/25/2006 02:03:46 PM · #10
Originally posted by HBunch:

Originally posted by wavelength:

Was it for the removal of the "double and triple reflections" I'd like to know in case of mirror use in the future, and how do people usually deal with this problem to get mirror reflections at a low angle?


That was part of it, yes. I saw on a different photo someone said that it was a thick mirror, so it casted a double reflection. Maybe thin mirrors don't cast as much of a double reflection? I'm totally guessing on that by what I read on someone elses image, so maybe someone else has a better explaination.


glass on black will reflect sharp as day...with no double reflection. its the best way to go. but it requires a black cloth to get a good intence reflection and some want colored backdrops or white so its more limiting but works well for the site rules.

my 2 bits

_bran(sorry for the double post)do_
07/25/2006 02:11:42 PM · #11
i think you can solve that double reflection problem. do not use a ordinary mirror. use a piece of two way glass with the mirror surface on only one side. make sure no light can pass through from other side. i have never tried it but I bet it would work.
07/25/2006 02:18:26 PM · #12
Thanks very much again for everyone's comments and faves. I'm not bitter about the DQ. It was a question mark in my mind. Next time if I have any bit of a doubt I'll contact SC(edit: sp was 'DQ' LOL). Well there goes my first advanced editing ribbon.

Here's the version without the cloning...
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It would be nice though if SC would email one before actually putting the DQ in to effect. Quite a shock LOL. edit: NM , I got an email at 11am today(site time).

The the reflection only got the extra reflections when looking at the mirror at that certain angle and if you come in real close it becomes really evident.

Message edited by author 2006-07-25 14:44:06.
07/25/2006 02:19:24 PM · #13
FWIW - an excellent bit of processing there! Sorry about the DQ, its still a fantastic image.
07/25/2006 02:23:01 PM · #14
Originally posted by idnic:

FWIW - an excellent bit of processing there! ...

No kidding. That had to be tedious!
07/25/2006 02:25:42 PM · #15
Originally posted by Techo:

Thanks for everyone's comments. I'm not bitter about the DQ. It was a question mark in my mind. Next time if I have any bit of a doubt I'll contact DQ. Well there goes my first advanced editing ribbon.

Here's the version without the cloning...
' . substr('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/29011/thumb/369463.jpg', strrpos('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/29011/thumb/369463.jpg', '/') + 1) . '

It would be nice though if SC would email one before actually putting the DQ in to effect. Quite a shock LOL. edit: NM , I got an email at 11am today(site time).

The the reflection only got the extra reflections when looking at the mirror at that certain angle and if you come in real close it becomes really evident.


Wow... Two comments:

1. I can see why you did it :-)
2. I can see why they DQ'd it :-)

Third comment:

3. Your reaction to the DQ could serve as a model to us all :-)

R.
07/25/2006 02:25:45 PM · #16
i can't believe that is considered and "major" element. doesnt look very major to me.
07/25/2006 02:30:11 PM · #17
EP I applaud your response to this DQ. Well said my friend.
07/25/2006 02:32:39 PM · #18
I agree with Bear :-)
And thank-you for allowing us to learn from, your reaction, and from the dq.
The photo remains a beautiful image. It's an awesome shot.
07/25/2006 02:35:35 PM · #19
Hey Techo...
Sorry for the DQ; glad you understand the rationale. I wanted to post to let you and others know about the mirror thing. You'll get those multiple reflections at low angles when using "second surface" mirrors, that is, mirrors that are clear on the front side, and metallized on the back. At low angles, enough light reflects off the clear glass surface to become visible as a second reflection. The multiple reflections are an extension of this.
The way around this is to use a "first surface" mirror, essentially a polished piece of metal or front-side metallized glass. Unfortuantely almost all common, inexpensive mirrors are the second surface variety.
07/25/2006 02:39:19 PM · #20
that does seem like a pretty minor adjustment. but i didn't make up the rules. it is still my favorite photo from the challenge.
07/25/2006 02:39:43 PM · #21
Yeah, I'll probably get crapped on for this, but this is yet another case of a fine line. What is / what isn't a major element. A telephone pole isn't, backgrounds haven't been, I know I've cloned out as much cleaning up shots.
I'm lost.
I would have done the same and never gave it a second thought, even after entering 152 challenges here.

E.P. - way to be a stand-up adult about it. Not sure I would.

Edit to add:
Just ignore me - I'm out in left field as usual.
Something about not seeing a forest and four trees ;)

Message edited by author 2006-07-25 17:30:35.
07/25/2006 02:43:13 PM · #22
EP,

Sorry to hear about the DQ, it's still a great picture. As Bear said, your reaction can serve as a model to us all.

Congrats to hotpasta on another ribbon.
07/25/2006 02:43:41 PM · #23
To clarify, the reflection was not the only reason for the DQ. The canvas was also expanded and black negative space added to the sides, changing the composition from the original with empty space which was not there before. Just a note so that people understand it fully.
07/25/2006 02:46:20 PM · #24
Originally posted by Konador:

To clarify, the reflection was not the only reason for the DQ. The canvas was also expanded and black negative space added to the sides, changing the composition from the original with empty space which was not there before. Just a note so that people understand it fully.


Ok thanks. I understand. I thought of it as adding a black border at the end of editing. I'm ready to move on. Now I just got more encouraged to enter more challenges and get the DQ off the front of my profile page ;)

Message edited by author 2006-07-25 14:48:20.
07/25/2006 02:49:39 PM · #25
Originally posted by Techo:

Originally posted by Konador:

To clarify, the reflection was not the only reason for the DQ. The canvas was also expanded and black negative space added to the sides, changing the composition from the original with empty space which was not there before. Just a note so that people understand it fully.


Ok thanks. I understand. I thought of it as adding a black border at the end of editing. Now I just get more encouraged to enter more challenges and get the DQ off the front of my profile page ;)


When a border is indistinguishable from the image itself, it becomes something added TO the image itself. If you'd drawn a 1-pixel white border, then you could have added as much black as you wanted outside that because the white hairline would have defined the end of the image and the beginning of the border. That's the way I read it, anyway...

R.
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