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07/19/2006 02:26:22 PM · #1
About how and image should be processed then the person submitting the image.

For my progress image I submitted this image.

362134.jpg

It was my intention to tell two stories, one about the state of our most beloved form of transportation and secondly about the use of post processing.

I intentionally over sharpened and used the hue/sat slider to get just the effect I wanted.

My entry was voted down with comments like. Oh oversaturated or over sharpened. Comments about the piece of glass being distracting were valid to a point I would have liked to place it in a different part of the image but the fence I was shooting thru only had a few good holes none better than this.

Sure for a photorealistic image the post processing was over the top but for this image normal processing was not what I wanted.

Message edited by HBunch - Edited out large photo per forum rules.
07/19/2006 02:28:40 PM · #2
They don't "know" more, they just have a different opinion than you do.
07/19/2006 02:29:39 PM · #3
I see a few very nicely worded suggestions about how voters would prefer to see your image. That's pretty much what the comments area is for. They voted their opinion and left you an explanation. Nothing wrong with that at all.
07/19/2006 02:29:57 PM · #4
You got the photo YOU wanted, others have their own opinion about the things they see and prefer. They don't know more, they just give you their opinion.
07/19/2006 02:31:21 PM · #5
Let me reverse that for ya: why do YOU assume you know more about what the voters should like than they do? Regardless of what your intentions were here, you have received a clear message from the voters that you'd have done better without the "oversharpening".

It is what it is; it's your choice to disregard what they are saying, of course, but they are not "wrong" at all.

Robt.
07/19/2006 02:36:44 PM · #6
Actually, I think few drinks should fix the problem...

:P
07/19/2006 02:39:12 PM · #7
Originally posted by focuspoint:

Actually, I think few drinks should fix the problem...

:P


:O)
07/19/2006 02:39:13 PM · #8
Originally posted by focuspoint:

Actually, I think few drinks should fix the problem...

:P


I'm with you. :-)

*searches for that bottle of Crown*
07/19/2006 02:39:43 PM · #9
I edited out the large photo per the forum rules. for future reference, the 2 squares icon will insert a clickable thumbnail of your challenge entries.
07/19/2006 02:41:40 PM · #10
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Originally posted by focuspoint:

Actually, I think few drinks should fix the problem...

:P


I'm with you. :-)

*searches for that bottle of Crown*


Oh the purple bag YUCK it still makes me shiver ... bad time with crown once.

:-(
07/19/2006 02:44:55 PM · #11
You got loads of comments, a lot of them trying to talk about the content of the picture frame in terms of a)taking the picture and b)processing the picture. That's not easy to do. Some are better at it than others and no doubt more knowledgeable about the subject(s). If you're as dumb as me though, you just have to take a position, generate a voice from it and use the voice to enunciate a commentary. I hope I'm growing wiser, who knows...

Those who commented did not tell you what score they rated the picture with, except for a 6, an 8 and a 9. Is that voting down? Personally, I think the point about focussing on the car you see the most of is a good one.
07/19/2006 02:45:40 PM · #12
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:


Oh the purple bag YUCK it still makes me shiver ... bad time with crown once.

:-(


I guess you missed out on the commercials "Know Your Limit" :-P
07/19/2006 02:55:47 PM · #13
I'd like to ask you to think about your premise that there's a single way photos should be post-processed.

There are loads of ways to do it. What you choose depends on the final statement you want to make. I often fiddle with a million options, including moving sliders around before I hit "ok" and trying wholly different treatments for "final" files.

On a separate concept but getting to your question about what voters think they know ...

On a site where you get to discuss your thinking, the viewer can knowingly disagree with you or agree with you, and then share an opinion on that basis. That describes DPC's portfolios and post-voting comments.

But during voting, all you'll get is unvarnished opinion. There's not much you can do to communicate why you made the choices you made.
07/19/2006 02:58:37 PM · #14
I'm very much an amateur in photography. But I will still comment on various pictures and say how I think they would be improved for me. If I did leave a comment, that doesn't mean that I as the commenter am right, or vice-versa, it just means that that's what I think.

And it also is likely to mean that having done that would have gotten an extra point or two.
07/19/2006 03:02:15 PM · #15
You could have worded your post better, William, as many others have pointed out, but I do agree with the gist of what you're trying to say. I try to approach each image believing that the photographer created every single aspect of that image on purpose and that it came out exactly how they wanted. I still tell people what I think would make an image better, but I give the photographer every benefit of the doubt.
07/19/2006 03:05:54 PM · #16
People know what they like.

Message edited by author 2006-07-19 15:06:03.
07/19/2006 03:13:12 PM · #17
Originally posted by PhilipDyer:

You could have worded your post better, William, as many others have pointed out, but I do agree with the gist of what you're trying to say. I try to approach each image believing that the photographer created every single aspect of that image on purpose and that it came out exactly how they wanted. I still tell people what I think would make an image better, but I give the photographer every benefit of the doubt.


Oh, I assume everything was intentional also, but what does that change? If it looks oversaturated to me, what difference does it make to me whether the photographer intended it or not? Know what I mean? My comments can only reflect how I, personally, feel about what the photo is doing.

Now, if I wanted to be perfectly politically correct, I could probably come up with something like "I understand what you were after here with this image, I can see why you went the direction you did, but in my opinion you went too far with the saturation, you have blocked the reds up to an unnatural flatness that is hurting the balance of the image."

(this applies to a hypothetical example, btw, not the OP's shot)

So it would be great if I did that, very informative, but it still totally disagrees with the shooter's choice, right? Someone else, less loquacious than I, feeling the same way about the picture, might leave the one-word comment "oversaturated".

I submit that both comments are useful comments. I am always glad to get one-word comments from people that identify an area of concern. I hate getting low scores and having no clue what people did not like. Every time I make an artistic choice in processing, I recognize that it is a gamble to some degree, and I want to know exactly how others react to it.

R.
07/19/2006 03:26:43 PM · #18
Part of the issue here is that you're trying to give a regular viewer your take on a scene which is all well and good. At his site however, the viewers are also practitioners. They relapse into thinking about how they'd do the same thing and how they'd improve it. Sometimes that's what you get rated on/commented on. This is not necessarily a bad thing - just different from how you'd expect it to be.

Edit: Broke up a long sentence into little ones,

Message edited by author 2006-07-19 15:32:20.
07/19/2006 03:28:21 PM · #19
Originally posted by PhilipDyer:

You could have worded your post better, William, as many others have pointed out, but I do agree with the gist of what you're trying to say. I try to approach each image believing that the photographer created every single aspect of that image on purpose and that it came out exactly how they wanted. I still tell people what I think would make an image better, but I give the photographer every benefit of the doubt.


And it can be so frustrating when what you deliberately did, people do not understand or appreciate, or they view it as an accident. I agree with the idea that to the voters, it isn't much different, like Bear_Music said, but it still can be frustrating.

(I hope this rambling makes sense)
07/19/2006 03:29:27 PM · #20
Cause we do. Always.

jk ;-)
07/19/2006 03:33:50 PM · #21
Originally posted by kyebosh:

Cause we do. Always.

jk ;-)


I agree - Whoever is voting always knows better because it's their opinion :-) I have some shots I took and like but voters hate (or at least dislike a lot:) and I see others that do very well and personally they do little for me - takes all kinds.
07/19/2006 03:58:51 PM · #22
Originally posted by focuspoint:

Actually, I think few drinks should fix the problem...

:P


Please don't drink and post.

And in general, I approach voting much the same way that robert outlined. I look at a picture and assume that it look exactly like the photographer wanted it to look. If I like it fine, if not, I'll tell why. All comments are opinions.
07/19/2006 04:01:50 PM · #23
Originally posted by karmat:

...Please don't drink and post...


"Alcohol = The cause and solution of all the problems"

-Homer J. Simpson.
07/19/2006 04:14:10 PM · #24
Originally posted by karmat:

Originally posted by focuspoint:

Actually, I think few drinks should fix the problem...

:P


Please don't drink and post.

And in general, I approach voting much the same way that robert outlined. I look at a picture and assume that it look exactly like the photographer wanted it to look. If I like it fine, if not, I'll tell why. All comments are opinions.


I am mostly the same way. sometimes I see something that seems to be a real mistake and will call atention to it, but I try to say why I do or don't liek it.
07/19/2006 04:27:43 PM · #25
To tell you the truth I was very happy with the comments both good and bad. I was also happy with the posted scores listed by the posters no complaint there. My thoughts were best summed up in this statement.

“Part of the issue here is that you\'re trying to give a regular viewer your take on a scene which is all well and good. At his site however, the viewers are also practitioners. They relapse into thinking about how they\'d do the same thing and how they\'d improve it. Sometimes that\'s what you get rated on/commented on. This is not necessarily a bad thing - just different from how you\'d expect it to be. “TheMegalomaniac

As practitioners shouldn’t we put what we would have done away and think about what the photographer was trying to say? I think we should all ask ourselves was this person thinking outside the box or does it look like they are still learning to use their tools. Is there more to this image than meets the eye.

Do I think my image is better than the ribbon winners No! Do I think it should have rated higher yes, don’t we all?

I guess the real problem for me and for everyone who post an image for review, are those people who will mark an image very low with no feedback as to their motivation for the score. I would be more than happy to fill in a dialogue box with a comment or two for any image I marked lower than a 4 before I could continue to the next image.

Thank you all for the feedback it sure helps to see where others are coming from.

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