Adobe Lightroom for Windows Beta Release

07/19/2006 05:33:46 PM · #26

Originally posted by PSUlion01:

anyone having problems installing the windows version? I keep getting an error saying I need Win XP SP2, but when I went to the microsoft site to upgrade it told me that I'm running XP SP2. hmmmmmmmm...

That's M$ for you!

Prof_Fate

07/19/2006 05:35:22 PM · #27

Originally posted by PSUlion01:

I have DLd it, not installed yet..the readme says you need 768Mb of RAM minimum (i have but 512). it also says you need the most current version of Camera Raw, properly installed. That implies you need PS CS2...I have PS7. not sure if i want to try intalling it or not now.

Prof_Fate

07/19/2006 05:36:17 PM · #28

Originally posted by theSaj:

Originally posted by PSUlion01:
anyone having problems installing the windows version? I keep getting an error saying I need Win XP SP2, but when I went to the microsoft site to upgrade it told me that I'm running XP SP2. hmmmmmmmm...

That's M$ for you!

Adobe reccomends CS2 and 1Mb of ram for Lightroom...$$$$ must be spent for a free beta.

Travis99

Canon EOS-5D

07/19/2006 06:15:03 PM · #29

My first impression is that... It dosent even compare to ps. I dont like it. I will stick to photoshop.

Travis

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

07/19/2006 06:16:19 PM · #30

Originally posted by Travis99:

My first impression is that... It dosent even compare to ps. I dont like it. I will stick to photoshop.

Travis

I don't think it's intended as a replacement to Photoshop. It's more of a supplement.

Travis99

Canon EOS-5D

07/19/2006 06:18:38 PM · #31

Originally posted by mk:

Originally posted by Travis99:
My first impression is that... It dosent even compare to ps. I dont like it. I will stick to photoshop.

Travis

I don't think it's intended as a replacement to Photoshop. It's more of a supplement.

I can see nothing in Lightroom, I cant already do with ps. Are you suposed to be able to save your files with this beta version?

Elvis_L

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4L USM

07/19/2006 06:20:15 PM · #32

Originally posted by Travis99:

Originally posted by mk:

Originally posted by Travis99:
My first impression is that... It dosent even compare to ps. I dont like it. I will stick to photoshop.

Travis

I don't think it's intended as a replacement to Photoshop. It's more of a supplement.

I can see nothing in Lightroom, I cant already do with ps. Are you suposed to be able to save your files with this beta version?

it is for filing and organizing and batch operations. say I shot 500 shots I can look at all of them and narrow down what I like then covert the raw all at once, that type of stuff

Travis99

Canon EOS-5D

07/19/2006 06:23:20 PM · #33

Originally posted by Elvis_L:

Originally posted by Travis99:

Originally posted by mk:

Originally posted by Travis99:
My first impression is that... It dosent even compare to ps. I dont like it. I will stick to photoshop.

Travis

I don't think it's intended as a replacement to Photoshop. It's more of a supplement.

I can see nothing in Lightroom, I cant already do with ps. Are you suposed to be able to save your files with this beta version?

it is for filing and organizing and batch operations. say I shot 500 shots I can look at all of them and narrow down what I like then covert the raw all at once, that type of stuff

O, I thought it was sposed to be some sort of editing program. The raw conversion sounds cool. How do you save the files?

e301

07/19/2006 06:26:22 PM · #34

If it has included any of Pixmantec's algorithms, then it's the most cack-handed use of them imaginable. Users of RSP are supposed to get the first (full) release of Lightroom for free - and that now just seems like a sop. I'm running with 1GB RAM, and it's slow - lame, and halt too. It doesn't give you the dierectory tree like RSP, processing seems weak and unnatural. First look at the asset management side of it is useless - I'd rather use the Canon thing and that's saying something - and it can't touch Portfolio (though nothing can). How long before Adobe buy out Extensis and really mess up my life?

leaf

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

07/19/2006 07:02:27 PM · #35

Originally posted by robs:

Originally posted by leaf:
if you click ctrl-2 (which gets you to the develop tab) you have quite a few options for editing a photo quite extensivly in regards to overall color, saturation, sharpness, hue.. and so on. curves is also there.

Yeah, I saw that but it did not seem to let me adjust the curves in the same was as RSP, PS e.t.c. - I will have another look tonight.

I see a number of options on the develop tab and I have to play but I will miss the vibrance slider from RSP :-/ I could also only find a basic noise option rather than the several available in RSP.

One BIG turn off is the lack of speed - I know it's beta code but stuff like that sticks. The other from what I see is this whole database centric view - import photos e.t.c. - I cannot seem to make it import a whole tree structure, it made me point at specific files and if that is where it ends up then that is a lot of work just to get the pics available in the software.

curves video

well you were right, no direct curve manipulation, however the sliders seem to work pretty good. That video tutorial (the second one on that page) describes the use of the highlight / shadow / midtone manipulation. there is quite a few options once you know what all the slider so.

OdysseyF22

Panasonic DC-G9

Olympus 12-45mm /f4.0 Pro

07/19/2006 07:07:59 PM · #36

Geeze, between the reported slowness of Lightroom, it's seeming lack of enthusiasm here with the DPC crowd, and the Windows & RAM issues that were mentioned, I'm not so sure I want to even bother with it.

Maybe I'll just suck it up, save pennys, and buy CS2 so I have good RAW capability.

robs

Canon EOS R6 Mk II

07/19/2006 07:39:09 PM · #37

Originally posted by OdysseyF22:

Maybe I'll just suck it up, save pennys, and buy CS2 so I have good RAW capability.

It's a shared engine between them, so the generation itself will be no different. Now whether one is easier to get what you want then the other is another matter.

I REALLY don't see the benefit for us RSP users so far - a free bit of replacement kit that does not do all the stuff RSP does with a whole lot of baggage that is irrelevant while locking you into future paid upgrades to get back to where you started in a few years :-//

PhantomEWO

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6

07/19/2006 08:47:22 PM · #38

looks interesting. I've been experimenting with it today. There are still bugs, especially when using two monitors. It is inconsistant. Sometimes it blacks out my #2 monitor, sometimes the slide show will not run and other times it runs on either one randomly of my monitors. It also randomly blacks out my #2 monitor that is running Adobe Bridge while Lightroom and PS CS2 is running on monitor #1. Not much value for slide shows until they get the music part into it. Potential but just not ready yet.

Kemptonreporter

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

07/19/2006 09:30:45 PM · #39

Must say that I quite like the HSL adjustments and other saturation tweaks on the develop tab so far.
It also just "feels" nice, like you want to spend time engaged in its interface.
C1Pro was good for a basic negative processing package, but I can see me walking away from it soon, what with the functionality and feel of Lightroom.
Bridge keeps locking and crashing my system (granted I only have 512Mb of RAM, but still, a crash is a crash).
CS2 is naturally good, but I think I could easily get used to working in Lightroom for most of my processing, with final tweaking and addition of presentation elements like borders, text, etc, left for CS2
I've taken note of your comments, however, and will be eagerly watching to see how Adobe addresses them.
In the meantime - it's already 3:30AM here (Johannesburg, South Africa), and I really do think I should close Lightroom and go to bed now.
Cheerio all!

whatsthatbeeping

Canon EOS-50D

Canon EF 85mm f/1.8 USM

07/20/2006 05:43:52 AM · #40

I think everyone is missing the point of "Lightroom". Lightroom seems to be aimed at the professional studio photographer who can shoot a "collection" for a client under studio conditions with similar lighting. Imagin if you wil... 150 shots for a fashion shoot... all under similar lighting setups. then being able to postproduce these images (similar to the way we do in Adobe Bridge) but having much better control of the image adjustments.

If you normally post adjust images in PSCS2 using Layer Adjustments without doing anything more than that which is allowed in the DPChallenge "Basic Editing" challenges... you would not ask for more than what is available in Lightroom. But if you wish to Dodge and Burn, selective colourize ect .... Photoshop is the program for you.

Lightroom is still in Beta, and it seems to me that Adobe has taken the right approach by asking for feed back from the potential end users that the program is being developed for... the professional photographer.

I personally would not use LB for every postprocessing job that i do. but if i shoot of 15-20 shots for a challenge i would pre post procces these RAW images in lightroom befor i take them to PSCS2 to do anything else to them.

These are my thoughts ... what are yours?

leaf

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

07/20/2006 07:04:51 AM · #41

yeah i think you are very right 'whatsthatbeeping'.

Lightroom is made for professional photographers to present and do some pre-post processing of images. It is create for comparing shots and giving them a bit of a tweak to show your clients.

Lightroom is in no way made to replace photoshop.

Bobster

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

07/20/2006 08:44:38 AM · #42

had a little play before is started working this morning and its pretty quick for sorting through RAW files :)

running a dual MP1800+ with 2.5GB RAM XP SP2

Matthew

Peleng 8mm f/3.5 Fisheye MC In M42 Mount

07/20/2006 09:00:53 AM · #43

I have only installed it on the laptop so far (1.4ghz Celeron and 500MB RAM) - it is sloooooow. I will see if the 2800 X2 3GB RAM can make it go faster. Amazingly so for such a small program (just 7.5MB)!

The comparator should be principally Rawshooter Pro, rather than Photoshop CS2. It will allow you to "develop" a lot of RAW files from their native state to print quality quickly. It does not offer the spot editing and manipulation options - it is a workhorse, rather than an artist's easel. When you come back from hols with 5,000 pictures to sort, develop and print, you will definitely want this rather than CS2, for all but your top 5.

It is a long way ahead of CS2 and Rawshooter in library management. However, I am unlikely to need the advanced library management options (a file tree is fine for my purposes). I cannot see a way of importing Rawshooter edits.

Developing offers many more options that Rawshooter Pro, and a lot more presets (some gimmicky). However, it appears to be missing that fantastic Rawshooter option of "vibrance" on colour management. That alone is worth keeping Rawshooter on my computer.

A number of the tweaks look, to me, over complicated for most purposes - but great if you really want to fine tune an image and know what you are doing.

This is something that I will continue to play with. Given that I am entitled to v.1.0 for free (as a Rawshooter Pro owner), I will almost certainly take the time to download tyhe full version when it comes out.

Message edited by author 2006-07-20 09:01:50.

robs

Canon EOS R6 Mk II

Sigma 30mm f/1.4 EX DC HSM for Nikon

07/20/2006 09:18:08 AM · #44

It keeps crashing when importing @10K images, so don't try to push the thing too far.... the old uphill story and all :-)

ShaneBlake

Nikon D7100

07/20/2006 10:46:27 AM · #45

Originally posted by whatsthatbeeping:

First impressions everybody?

first impression?

bleck...

if i could just find a program that married the UI and workflow of RawShooter and the new control found in Capture NX i'd be a very, very happy man...

theSaj

07/20/2006 11:20:33 AM · #46

Originally posted by Travis99:

I can see nothing in Lightroom, I cant already do with ps. Are you suposed to be able to save your files with this beta version?

Lightroom is NOT designed to replace Photoshop. Photoshop will far excel Lightroom in editing.

Lightroom's focus is on batch processing and management. It's not supposed to have the finesse of Photoshop. Rather, it's supposed to help you get a lot of "little" done faster.

KevinRiggs

Canon EOS-1Ds