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04/29/2002 09:40:43 AM · #1
Hmm, just finished voting and quite dissappointed. Maybe I've become spoiled or just old and cynical but there didn't seem to be any great pictures this week. There are several well taken, well composed, technically well executed shots, but nothing jumped out at me. Hopefully the advertising shots will mark a return to greatness
04/29/2002 09:48:08 AM · #2
agreed
04/29/2002 10:00:30 AM · #3
Greatness is in the mind of the photographer. This becomes painfully obvious in these forums where two of the top three photos in a challenge received 1 votes in the voting process. My shot isn't gonna win this challenge but I think it's a great shot. It made me happy when I finished my final edit on it.

Cheers!
04/29/2002 10:21:48 AM · #4
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
My shot isn't gonna win this challenge but I think it's a great shot. It made me happy when I finished my final edit on it.



My photograph this time around is doing much much worse than last time, though I like it a lot lot better. I am quite proud of it. Not even quite sure what people don't like, since no one's leaving many comments. Oh well. I might still print it out for a turn on my wall.

04/29/2002 10:33:49 AM · #5
Same here. I have had three very nice comments but the score doesn't reflect that sentiment. Oh well, I still have a photo I want to keep for myself.
04/29/2002 10:36:55 AM · #6
Don't let negative subjective an missing comments change how you feel about your own work. Pay attention to the objective comments and determine if they can help you in the future :)
04/29/2002 10:49:11 AM · #7
I guess I misunderstood. Some of the comments I have recieved indicate most of you thought the camera MUST be angled upward. I thought as long as the camera was on the ground it was ok. BUMMER and I worked on this one more than any other too.
It's hard when others don't understand the shot too, like they didn't study it enough.
OK, I feel better now.
04/29/2002 10:51:59 AM · #8
Gordon:
"there didn't seem to be any great pictures this week..."

WHAT DO Y'ALL MEAN??? My shot is perfect in every respect. *grin*
04/29/2002 10:55:23 AM · #9
11 comments so far, and all overwhelmingly positive. However, I've watched my average drop from 6.8 to 6.04 in about 4 hours, lol ..

04/29/2002 10:56:16 AM · #10
This seems to be the biggest complaint over the last two challenges... Different people have different interpretations of these challenge topics and we will have to live with that.

*My* own interpretation of the challenge let me to point my camera at a high angle from the horizon. However, I have seen some photos here today where the camera was *not* pointed upwards but the transition concept was still shown well.

Originally posted by David Ey:
I guess I misunderstood. Some of the comments I have recieved indicate most of you thought the camera MUST be angled upward. I thought as long as the camera was on the ground it was ok. BUMMER and I worked on this one more than any other too.
It's hard when others don't understand the shot too, like they didn't study it enough.
OK, I feel better now.


04/29/2002 10:59:32 AM · #11
Originally posted by magnetic9999:
11 comments so far, and all overwhelmingly positive. However, I've watched my average drop from 6.8 to 6.04 in about 4 hours, lol ..


You're lucky - my picture is just so dull that I've had 45 votes and only one person was stirred enough to add a comment. and that was one word.

Although I have to admit to struggling to find things to comment about on a lot of the pictures. I just think maybe the challenge is harder or more restrictive in subject matter than some of the others have been.

04/29/2002 11:07:19 AM · #12
We really hesitate to be too restrictive in the wording of the challenges, but maybe we need to start laying these things out in more detail. Then again, people will go look up every word we type in the dictionary, so we're just asking for more trouble. I really think that 'from the perspective of the ground up' holds all the words you need to shoot this challenge.

Drew
04/29/2002 11:10:27 AM · #13
Originally posted by David Ey:
I guess I misunderstood. Some of the comments I have recieved indicate most of you thought the camera MUST be angled upward. I thought as long as the camera was on the ground it was ok. BUMMER and I worked on this one more than any other too.
It's hard when others don't understand the shot too, like they didn't study it enough.
OK, I feel better now.


David, I don't think you misunderstood, you just saw it differently!

I just posted a comment on the "misinterpretation" thread about this very thing! We all see things differently and each person's interepretation is different! I don't think that you are wrong, and I hope that people don't think I am wrong. We are not wrong! We are just different! And isn't that the beauty of this??? We can all see things differently!

What kind of a world would it be if we all saw everything exactly the same way??? I wouldn't want to live in such a world!

Until the challenge is so specific that every one takes a picture of the exact same thing then there will always be a different way to look at something and thus interpret it in a different way!

04/29/2002 11:15:19 AM · #14
Exactly what I was trying to say in another thread. Disqualify for rule breaking but not for a persons interpretation.

Well said Ohsmom!
04/29/2002 11:19:48 AM · #15
Don't be too detailed in the description. Interpretation is part of the challenge.

Guys, this is ART. Art is supposed to be subjective meaning different things to different people. And one shot deals like paintings, photos sculpture are even more subjective and obscure than books or movies that go into great detail about their subject.

Art is that thing that even artists should say "I don't know much about art but I know what I like".

There are some very proficient photographers here that make just about anything interesting because they look at even the simplest things in an interesting way and squeeze the energy from a picture with great technique.

I would hate to lose these perspectives with too much restriction on the challenge.
04/29/2002 11:19:51 AM · #16
I would have to agree here... However, I think a new rule like this would remove ALL disqualifications for not meeting the challenge ALL the time. I have decided to stop voting for disqualification based on meeting the challenge or not simply because I may not be capable of understanding the photographer's interpretation. If *I* can't see the interpretation in some way, I state that in the comments and vote it accordingly...

Originally posted by cinnery:
Exactly what I was trying to say in another thread. Disqualify for rule breaking but not for a persons interpretation.

Well said Ohsmom!


04/29/2002 11:24:47 AM · #17
this is obviously too late for this challenge but i think it would have been nice if drew or one of the other site creators could somehow give some kind of example picture or in this case sample line of sight or angle of perspective so that people wouldn't be confused.



* This message has been edited by the author on 4/29/2002 11:25:01 AM.
04/29/2002 11:35:35 AM · #18
We fear that examples are even more restrictive than challenge wording. We'll try in future challenges to elaborate as much as possible without telling you what to go shoot.

Drew
04/29/2002 11:38:04 AM · #19
Achiral...Don't let the interpretation's of others change your view.

Swing at your photo as hard as you can..make it as good as you can. If others vote you down on interpretation but love your picture..mission accomplished. You met your vision and caught some folks eyes.

If a few folks..or ..heaven forbid...a lot of folks are touched on a interpretation level you are acheiving what few artists achieve.

But for Gods sake don't ask for a template...that is the worst destroyer of art ever.
04/29/2002 11:49:57 AM · #20
Actually it is not obvious in my pic but the camera was on the ground and tilted up at about 20 deg. Just wasn't enough i guess. I sure thought it would be better than a 3 average.
04/29/2002 12:00:11 PM · #21
Originally posted by hokie:
Achiral...Don't let the interpretation's of others change your view.

Swing at your photo as hard as you can..make it as good as you can. If others vote you down on interpretation but love your picture..mission accomplished. You met your vision and caught some folks eyes.

If a few folks..or ..heaven forbid...a lot of folks are touched on a interpretation level you are acheiving what few artists achieve.

But for Gods sake don't ask for a template...that is the worst destroyer of art ever.


yeah i see where you are coming from, and you are correct. i actually didn't submit this week because i wasn't too interested in the challenge, even though there are some great photos and interpretations this week. there are also ones i just can't believe fit the challenge, but i will try not to let that affect my voting

04/29/2002 01:07:47 PM · #22
Hey, what's the deal? This is one of the comments on my photo.

4/29/2002 (12:49:34 PM) - nice, but where might the ground be?


How hard is it to understand this stuff? The ground is about 6 inches below the camera where it was supposed to be. For cryin' out loud.



* This message has been edited by the author on 4/29/2002 1:08:37 PM.
04/29/2002 01:15:36 PM · #23
Can't see the ground in my shot either... Probably why my scores this time are so low...
04/29/2002 01:23:54 PM · #24
I don't understand how this could have been so confusing to anyone. I guess it takes all kind to make a world. We aren't supposed to see the ground just give the perspective of "from the ground up".
04/29/2002 01:27:46 PM · #25
Thats the way I saw it too. One of the most upfront challenges we have seen here. Nothing to guess about.
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