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07/12/2006 11:51:23 AM · #26 |
I think everybody has missed the fact that the original poster is not the person who entered the shot. I guess it was a family member.
That being said, one of my "impressions" (I didn't vote this challenge) was that it was actually a fairly simple setup. I thought the sun was one of those crepe things you can buy in the store and the apollo was bought as well. Not that that deserves a four, but the impression of hard work is usually rewarded. I guess my impression was quite wrong and a lot of work went into this. Sometimes it's the impression and not the reality that matters.
Message edited by author 2006-07-12 11:53:47.
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07/12/2006 11:51:54 AM · #27 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
I think everybody has missed the fact that the original poster is not the person who entered the shot. |
nope. he's got a blue one. she's on 13th place. |
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07/12/2006 11:55:23 AM · #28 |
Originally posted by biteme:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
I think everybody has missed the fact that the original poster is not the person who entered the shot. |
nope. he's got a blue one. she's on 13th place. |
yup I got it too...
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07/12/2006 12:21:25 PM · #29 |
I scored this the obligatory 5. I left a comment of:
This is interesting, but I don't get the stationery angle (unless the "sun" is made of stationery, which isn't obvious.
I gave it the benefit of the doubt, but I wouldn't be surprised if a number of others felt it as DNMC. There is always a risk at DPC when you play near the edges of the box. |
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07/12/2006 12:29:42 PM · #30 |
Thank you everyone for the posts. I may have overstated the initial issue. Aimee was not dissapointed she had a 6+ score but more because she had high hopes of placing front page with me. That was what she was shooting for. Mid week it looked as though that was possible and then the 1s'2s and 3s started coming in and that let her down. She spent hours (yes hours) creating her shot and was just kind of confused midchallenge by some of the votes. Can anyone honestly say that the 1 votes don't bother you at all? She appreciates the comments and votes and the support that this site has given to her. Most likely tomorrow she wont even be thinking about this challenge as we tend to move on quickly.
On another note - I didnt realize that creating a post like this was improper. If I am not mistaken the description of this forum section is stated as "Discuss challenge results here. Did the winner deserve to win, or did another photograph?". I guess if this type of post bothers you then just bypass it. I didnt post this to bug people. I posted it to get some feedback from the willing site users on her picture a bit beyond what was left in her comment section. She didnt ask me to post this and she doesnt know I posted this as she never reads the forums. I do appreciate the comments and points of view - which is what I was looking for.
Thank you all for the support of our work as we are still pretty new to this whole photography thing. It is a pleasure playing here and we plan to for a long time to come.
And to DrAchoo - she had attmepted a Deja Vu set up of your Follow the Leader using the sun as the flower and paper ladybugs walking on it. It just didnt come out clean enough to treat your photo proper. Mayeb she will save the sun for the next Deja Vu challenge. :) |
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07/12/2006 12:33:09 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by timfythetoo:
And to DrAchoo - she had attmepted a Deja Vu set up of your Follow the Leader using the sun as the flower and paper ladybugs walking on it. It just didnt come out clean enough to treat your photo proper. Mayeb she will save the sun for the next Deja Vu challenge. :) |
Haha, I'm tickled.
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07/12/2006 01:45:43 PM · #32 |
Almost Everyone has high hopes of placing in the top three. Yet, out of 100+ entries... there are a few people who won't make it.
Why are their 1, 2, 3, voted... because people are trolls and suck. They force the low votes and do it 'just because' they can.
But me personaly. I think the 6.2 is great, and shouldn't be a need for more comments. Because the people who vote the low scores, probly laugh at the forums with threads like these... Don't read the forums, or flatly lie about what they scored an image.
I don't know how many comments the image got, I didn't look at those. I looked at the image, and it was nice, it was creative. I didn't vote, but if I did, probly give it a 6.
A lot of people around here say this is a learning place, comments good bad and ugly should help you learn, and such... well, a few of my images I would have liked 'real' comments on never got any... so whatever Move on trudge on, and keep making the same mistakes... why.. cause, its what I do...
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07/12/2006 02:02:27 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by TooCool:
It gotta 6.2... Do we have to go through this every challenge? 56 people didn't like it but it got a 6.2... |
Yeah we do, because frankly, I see no justification for the 1/2 dozen 1's that image got. Simply because viewers were too STUPID to realize stationary was involved and voted it down for DNMC.
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07/12/2006 02:05:05 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by srdanz:
artoole,
your shot's got 37 comments during, and 40 total. Most are praises, but some offer you an idea of why it scored low. (DNMC, didn't look like stationEry etc.)
This is a lot of comments for any challenge, and if you extrapolate it, you've got a proportional number of comments from all voters - those that voted you high and those that voted you low.
I haven't voted on it, but my comment would be that it is a good shot - above average for that matter, but not a wow-factor ribbon winner. I think that it got what it deserves (as is usually true with all other underrated DPC shots I've seen).
Keep them coming! |
Yes, exactly, DNMC...
Viewers = STUPID
Of course the photographer is going to be annoyed when a dozen or so stupid individuals vote down a photograph over DNMC simply because they are ignorant or take too little time to look closely at the shot and see that it did.
The photo DMC (Did Meet Challenge)...therefore, 20 1's & 2's should not have been given to it for that fact.
Yes, I am being harsh....because frankly, just because one may not see how it meets the challenge or assumes such about a photo, should not equate to a "1".
I've been hit on several occasions by such. Gettings slammed because people assumed I applied a photoshop effect when in fact my photo was natural and not a photo edit. I got hit with 1's for it. When if they believed that, they should have requested a DQ. Likewise, DNMC is not a DQ'ble issue.
And yes, some people with post a photo of a beautiful waterfall they took into a "Car" challenge. And search as one might, they won't find a car. And in such extreme cases I can see the entry scoring lower. But when things are questionable, I am of the opinion you give the benefit of the doubt NOT slam a photo with a "1".
So yeah, I am right with the poster. You guys can say that's how it is. I will likewise stick to my guns and express that I believe those viewers who do such are STUPID and rude.
Originally posted by "chaimelle":
How do you, yanko and theSaj, know that the STUPID voters didn't just hate the shot whether it met the challenge or not?
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Firstly, out of personal experience where I have been victim of such presumption and even told so upon the realization of how I took certain photos.
Second, because a 1 represents an bad or abysmal image. Statistically speaking, said image is a pleasing image. Yes, there are some who will see the world differently than most. Yes, there are people who will vote ALL "1's" on nearly all images because they see the world so differently. However, such a high vote of 1's is handled by the system's troll mechanisms.
The photograph from a technical standpoint was decent. Composed decently! Exposed decently! Decent color! That's not to say that there was not room for improvement. But from the technical standpoint nothing was atrocius.
We have a scale voting system. 1 thru 10. People determine their vote differently, yes. But there is a scale. It is not a binary "yes/no" vote. There is no justification for giving a decently shot photograph a one. Let alone one htat has high creativity.
It comes down to the presumption of a dozen voters that said entry did not meet challenge and many who likely did not even take the time to really even consider the image to see the massive amount of stationery used.
"Gee, my opinion of both of you just changed a bit... can you figure out which way my opinion went???? (And no, I didn't vote this a 1, so I guess maybe I am just ignorant, not stupid?)"
I could probably gather which way it went. But see, you have the advantage. You know who made the statement. And yes, it would be chaos if voting was known. So this will be an ongoing issue.
And you know what. If you didn't vote "1" then you're not stupid. But yes, I am a bit tired of seeing great images get slammed by "stupid" people.
Now, that's NOT calling every DPC member stupid. Most are not. Hence, the image still scored quite nicely.
But yes, I will say anyone who voted a "1" on said image was stupid. I'm blunt. I've suffered from similar issues in the past. There is no recourse, the only thing I can say is that they were STUPID.
Message edited by author 2006-07-12 16:07:07. |
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07/12/2006 02:23:08 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by timfythetoo:
... On another note - I didnt realize that creating a post like this was improper. If I am not mistaken the description of this forum section is stated as "Discuss challenge results here. Did the winner deserve to win, or did another photograph?". I guess if this type of post bothers you then just bypass it. I didnt post this to bug people. I posted it to get some feedback from the willing site users on her picture a bit beyond what was left in her comment section. She didnt ask me to post this and she doesnt know I posted this as she never reads the forums. I do appreciate the comments and points of view - which is what I was looking for. ... |
It's not at all improper. Afterall, you are just searching for some info to help you, and your wife, to understand the workings of this website community. Nothing wrong with that. You got some groans because it seems these type of threads pop up a lot, and some people perceive that your combined results were above what one should complain about. They think that two ribbons for the same household in the same challenge are pretty high expectations, and rightfully so.
Personally, I scored it kinda high, but didn't realize how much work went itno it, or that the connection to the topic was so strong. If the shot had conveyed those two things better it would have gotten at least one more point from me. The lighting didn't reveal that the objects were made from stationery very well.
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07/12/2006 02:30:52 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by theSaj:
Originally posted by TooCool:
It gotta 6.2... Do we have to go through this every challenge? 56 people didn't like it but it got a 6.2... |
Yeah we do, because frankly, I see no justification for the 1/2 dozen 1's that image got. Simply because viewers were too STUPID to realize stationary was involved and voted it down for DNMC. |
Unfortunately voters have the mindset that the photographer is trying to trick them and refuse to give any benefit of the doubt. I wonder why this is and even if voters were "tricked" before why punish others for that now?
When I look at artoole's shot I can certainly see that stationery was used and even if I was unsure it is within the realm of possibility that is paper that was used in any case this wasn't like someone entered a flower pic with no hint of any stationery to be found. It's just down right disrespectful the way some voters vote.
Message edited by author 2006-07-12 14:35:37. |
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07/12/2006 02:59:11 PM · #37 |
| How do you, yanko and theSaj, know that the STUPID voters didn't just hate the shot whether it met the challenge or not? Gee, my opinion of both of you just changed a bit... can you figure out which way my opinion went???? (And no, I didn't vote this a 1, so I guess maybe I am just ignorant, not stupid?) |
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07/12/2006 03:35:33 PM · #38 |
| Uh oh - I just phoned my wife at work and told her about this thread. As thankful as she is for the honest feedback she had planned on just letting this all pass and be hapy with her score. So here I stand with foot in mouth and will probably get into a bit of trouble when she gets home from work. Thanks again for the comments and feedback whichever way they went - thats all I was looking for. Please pray for me. :) |
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07/12/2006 03:44:27 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by TooCool:
It gotta 6.2... Do we have to go through this every challenge? 56 people didn't like it but it got a 6.2... |
ditto ditto ditto again |
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07/12/2006 03:44:46 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by timfythetoo:
Uh oh - I just phoned my wife at work and told her about this thread. As thankful as she is for the honest feedback she had planned on just letting this all pass and be hapy with her score. So here I stand with foot in mouth and will probably get into a bit of trouble when she gets home from work. Thanks again for the comments and feedback whichever way they went - thats all I was looking for. Please pray for me. :) |
Ooops! Everything's okay - people are used to these kinds of threads and as long as there are people asking about scores and such there will be people complaining about the asking. |
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07/12/2006 03:46:58 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by chaimelle:
How do you, yanko and theSaj, know that the STUPID voters didn't just hate the shot whether it met the challenge or not? Gee, my opinion of both of you just changed a bit... can you figure out which way my opinion went???? (And no, I didn't vote this a 1, so I guess maybe I am just ignorant, not stupid?) |
For starters, I didn't call anybody stupid. Did you even read my post? |
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07/12/2006 03:48:25 PM · #42 |
| In honor of the fact that the original reason for this thread has ended up not relevant, can everyone just let things go? |
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07/12/2006 04:02:53 PM · #43 |
I'm a little worried on Tim's behalf.... :-)
(Just kidding, but you'll have some 'splaining to do, Lucy!) |
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07/12/2006 04:23:12 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by chaimelle:
How do you, yanko and theSaj, know that the STUPID voters didn't just hate the shot whether it met the challenge or not? Gee, my opinion of both of you just changed a bit... can you figure out which way my opinion went???? (And no, I didn't vote this a 1, so I guess maybe I am just ignorant, not stupid?) |
For starters, I didn't call anybody stupid. Did you even read my post? |
Yes, I read your post, and while you did not use the word stupid you seemed to agree with theSaj, and did say that those low voters are disrespectful. If a voter hates a shot, for whaterever reason, and gives a one but is consistant for the entire challenge who are we (the disagree-ers) to say he/she is wrong, disrespectful, stupid, a troll, etc. I got quite a few 9's and 10's this challenge, MANY nice comments and a few 1's and 2's. It would have been nice if the low voters had commented, but I can honestly say their low votes do not really bother me. (Although I was not happy going down almost .2 on the last two days, but that's the nature of the beast, and I have no complaints.) |
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07/12/2006 04:24:21 PM · #45 |
| wow, this is like a bad soap opera. :D |
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07/12/2006 04:27:58 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by Nikonian Ninja:
wow, this is like a bad soap opera. :D |
Relax. Have some popcorn and enjoy it.
We now return to "Why? Why? Why?"....... |
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07/12/2006 04:59:19 PM · #47 |
| This is more fun that macgyver re-runs. To bad that we can't have all these posts as video rather than text. |
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07/12/2006 05:00:24 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by boomtap:
This is more fun that macgyver re-runs. To bad that we can't have all these posts as video rather than text. |
I disagree. That's just plain a stupid thing to say. McGyver re-runs are always more fun!!! :)
Just kidding, OK. |
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07/12/2006 05:01:09 PM · #49 |
And please, nobody say "STUPID" again in this thread.
:) |
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07/12/2006 05:10:38 PM · #50 |
Originally posted by chaimelle:
If a voter hates a shot, for whaterever reason, and gives a one but is consistant for the entire challenge who are we (the disagree-ers) to say he/she is wrong, disrespectful, stupid, a troll, etc. |
The issue to some, is that we do not view it as "consistent" for the entire challenge.
We are ourselves. We have just as much right to say as to be criticized for saying.
Perhaps when you come up with a really creative photo or spend hours composing a shot. And then you receive a 1. And later get told. "Oh...I thought it was just a simple photoshop filter. And thought it was illegal so I gave it a '1'." You'll understand why some of us, do get pieved.
And there is no recourse. Now, I can't even use said word. So yes, I get to shrug and go away. It's annoying.
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