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07/07/2006 04:24:33 PM · #76 |
I think the point is that for the straight challenge you could NOT do any post processing!
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07/07/2006 04:25:13 PM · #77 |
Originally posted by chaimelle:
I think the point is that for the straight challenge you could NOT do any post processing! |
Contrast can be boosted in camera. |
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07/07/2006 04:25:53 PM · #78 |
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Originally posted by chaimelle:
I think the point is that for the straight challenge you could NOT do any post processing! |
Contrast can be boosted in camera. |
depends on the camera. |
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07/07/2006 04:26:35 PM · #79 |
Originally posted by kenskid:
Someone commented to me on the "straight from the camera" entry that I should have "bumped up the contrast" ! !!!!!!
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Very funny but a good example how naive DPC voters can be. ;)
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07/07/2006 05:00:28 PM · #80 |
Originally posted by kenskid:
Someone commented to me on the "straight from the camera" entry that I should have "bumped up the contrast" ! !!!!!! |
Take the comment for what it's worth. The commenter may have been ignorant of the challenge's restraints, or he may have been assuming that you knew he meant to bump the contrast in camera. But what you know for sure is that at least one small segment of the voting masses would have liked more contrast in your shot. Try boosting your entry's contrast in a photo editing program, or reshoot it with the contrast setting of your camera pushed up a notch. If either one looks like a better version to you, you have gained something from that comment.
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07/07/2006 05:02:05 PM · #81 |
Originally posted by Megatherian:
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Originally posted by chaimelle:
I think the point is that for the straight challenge you could NOT do any post processing! |
Contrast can be boosted in camera. |
depends on the camera. |
Yes, but since we don't know what equipment the presenter used this is a valid comment.
Message edited by author 2006-07-07 17:03:50. |
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07/07/2006 05:12:00 PM · #82 |
Originally posted by kenskid:
Someone commented to me on the "straight from the camera" entry that I should have "bumped up the contrast" ! !!!!!!
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thats ok .. i have one that didn't like my crop ..
sigh... |
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07/07/2006 05:15:04 PM · #83 |
Originally posted by ralphnev:
Originally posted by kenskid:
Someone commented to me on the "straight from the camera" entry that I should have "bumped up the contrast" ! !!!!!!
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thats ok .. i have one that didn't like my crop ..
sigh... |
Cropping is another thing that is controllable (to a certain extent) before you press the shutter button. Maybe the choice of words should have been different so the comment wasn't immediately associated with post processing. |
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07/07/2006 05:20:38 PM · #84 |
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Originally posted by ralphnev:
Originally posted by kenskid:
Someone commented to me on the "straight from the camera" entry that I should have "bumped up the contrast" ! !!!!!!
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thats ok .. i have one that didn't like my crop ..
sigh... |
Cropping is another thing that is controllable (to a certain extent) before you press the shutter button. Maybe the choice of words should have been different so the comment wasn't immediately associated with post processing. |
you can frame before pressing the shutter
you can not crop |
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07/07/2006 05:20:58 PM · #85 |
Originally posted by ralphnev:
Originally posted by kenskid:
Someone commented to me on the "straight from the camera" entry that I should have "bumped up the contrast" ! !!!!!!
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thats ok .. i have one that didn't like my crop ..
sigh... |
You have no idea how many times I have set up a shot, looked through the viewfinder, and then picked up the tripod to move forward ten feet or so, wash rinse repeat. It's better to frame your photo as accurately as possible while taking it than to crop later.
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07/07/2006 05:21:10 PM · #86 |
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Originally posted by ralphnev:
Originally posted by kenskid:
Someone commented to me on the "straight from the camera" entry that I should have "bumped up the contrast" ! !!!!!!
KS
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thats ok .. i have one that didn't like my crop ..
sigh... |
Cropping is another thing that is controllable (to a certain extent) before you press the shutter button. Maybe the choice of words should have been different so the comment wasn't immediately associated with post processing. |
Yes I really hate when people say they don't like my "crop" when i've done no cropping. I like to do my composition in the camera when possible. |
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07/07/2006 05:23:13 PM · #87 |
Originally posted by kyebosh:
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Originally posted by ralphnev:
Originally posted by kenskid:
Someone commented to me on the "straight from the camera" entry that I should have "bumped up the contrast" ! !!!!!!
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thats ok .. i have one that didn't like my crop ..
sigh... |
Cropping is another thing that is controllable (to a certain extent) before you press the shutter button. Maybe the choice of words should have been different so the comment wasn't immediately associated with post processing. |
Yes I really hate when people say they don't like my "crop" when i've done no cropping. I like to do my composition in the camera when possible. |
It's really just a shorter way of saying they don't like the way you filled the frame. I wouldn't be bothered by it, honestly.
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07/07/2006 05:23:22 PM · #88 |
Originally posted by ralphnev:
thats ok .. i have one that didn't like my crop ..
sigh... |
i'm sorry / it might make more sence if you saw the image
whatever |
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07/07/2006 05:23:30 PM · #89 |
Originally posted by Megatherian:
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Originally posted by chaimelle:
I think the point is that for the straight challenge you could NOT do any post processing! |
Contrast can be boosted in camera. |
depends on the camera. |
This is VERY true, and some digital cameras could not even participate in the straight challenge because they do not support jpeg shooting. |
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07/07/2006 05:26:32 PM · #90 |
crop = framing
so one to post proc and other through the viewfinder. But we all knew that already.
There are some really interesting information here to mull over.
Some of the more famous 'creators' where not famous during their own lifetime, but after they had gone. That is when the 'masses' found favor in their work and then they were deemed as 'Briliant and Visionaries, and Beyound their Time'.
Yet, during their time, they were no better... than say... Me.
And, even moreso now days, when the 'creative fields' are so oversaturated with 'creativity' it takes even more to stand out from the crowd and be liked. Takes even more to push forward and be known, whilst you still breathe.
So, thanx for everyone whom commented on this thread. I think I really gained some insite. I am going to continue on, with the knowldge that I will be famous when Im dead. L()L. I like that.
so it doesn't matter really, if someone notices or doesn't notice or whatever.
It may move someone to 'remix' the orginal idea, or create some other medium from it. Never know what connects one can make from looking at something so simple or complex. Someone may find the cure to the common cold by looking at the image. regaurdless of the 'masses' opinion on the matter.
I'll be famous when im dead.
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07/07/2006 05:29:55 PM · #91 |
Originally posted by kyebosh:
Yes I really hate when people say they don't like my "crop" when i've done no cropping. I like to do my composition in the camera when possible. |
I understand, but look at it this way. I left a critique on another site that went something like, "Good color, blah blah blah, but I'm not fond of the framing here", to which it was replied, "Come on man. Give me a real critique. This photo doesn't even have a frame around it".
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07/07/2006 05:38:57 PM · #92 |
Originally posted by dudephil:
Originally posted by kyebosh:
Yes I really hate when people say they don't like my "crop" when i've done no cropping. I like to do my composition in the camera when possible. |
I understand, but look at it this way. I left a critique on another site that went something like, "Good color, blah blah blah, but I'm not fond of the framing here", to which it was replied, "Come on man. Give me a real critique. This photo doesn't even have a frame around it". |
lol that's a little bit sad :-/ |
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07/07/2006 05:43:27 PM · #93 |
In a challenge like 'Straight from the camera' I would expect the photographer to look at the comments as if they were related to in camera processing. Let's give the voters/commenters some credit.
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07/07/2006 05:58:01 PM · #94 |
Originally posted by littlegett:
Some of the more famous 'creators' where not famous during their own lifetime, but after they had gone. That is when the 'masses' found favor in their work and then they were deemed as 'Briliant and Visionaries, and Beyound their Time'.
Yet, during their time, they were no better... than say... Me. |
Yet, those masters were how many over the last 150 years or so? There's architectural masters too, but they learn from the bottom up, and then go and push the limit. There's musical masters too, but you don't just start playing without even learning how to stay on key or with the beat. It's only after you learn the basics that you get to push your original artistic vision into "high art".
Originally posted by littlegett:
And, even moreso now days, when the 'creative fields' are so oversaturated with 'creativity' it takes even more to stand out from the crowd and be liked. Takes even more to push forward and be known, whilst you still breathe.
So, thanx for everyone whom commented on this thread. I think I really gained some insite. I am going to continue on, with the knowldge that I will be famous when Im dead. L()L. I like that.
so it doesn't matter really, if someone notices or doesn't notice or whatever.
It may move someone to 'remix' the orginal idea, or create some other medium from it. Never know what connects one can make from looking at something so simple or complex. Someone may find the cure to the common cold by looking at the image. regaurdless of the 'masses' opinion on the matter.
I'll be famous when im dead. |
I'd rather find a way to make a human connection through my art today, than to make and esoteric and sterile connection to someone who had no chance to know me as an artist.
Who are these visionaries that were never known until after their death? Have there been any of those in the last 50 years? I think pop culture has killed the myth of the "now famous dead artist". Everything is so available now in so many different mediums, that if no one finds your art appealing via any meduim, that may just mean that your art really does speak to none but you. As you said, you have your select group whom view your art and loves it, so this doesn't appear to be you. You can be famous in very many ways.
What does it mean to be famous? Famous designer? Famous Archtect? Famous Politician? Famous Model? Famous Stock Car Driver?
Do you know the names of the most famous ballet dancers and opera singers in the world today? Does it mean that they're not if you don't know them? No, it means that they have found their fame within the niche. Find your purpose, your niche, and fame is achieved within. Not everyone can be a household name.
Maybe you won't ever be famous on DPC before or after you die, but fame comes in many different packages.
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07/07/2006 06:30:20 PM · #95 |
Originally posted by littlegett:
crop = framing |
Not really true. If taking a picture, you don't know what cropping factor will be needed for people who will want a copy. Maybe they will want an 8X10 or maybe a 4X6 or maybe an 11X14... all are different cropping factors. But you will never know that when you take the picture.
So what can you do? Take a picture that can be cropped to the most common crop factors and that is the best you can do. It will always require you to leave some wiggle room.
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07/07/2006 06:47:02 PM · #96 |
For all practical purposes, any image we make represents some sort of "cropping" of the scene, in the sense that we are taking a rectangle and superimposing it on a much larger space, and capturing whatever is included within the rectangle's borders.
To get upset with people who don't like your framing because they criticized your "cropping" is picking ridiculous semantic hairs. Cropping, framing, before-or-after exposure, it doesn't matter; someone's telling you you should have left more in, or taken more out, whether at the time of exposure or in post-processing is immaterial. How could they know? All they know is, it doesn't work so well for them the way it is...
R.
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07/07/2006 07:41:23 PM · #97 |
Originally posted by stdavidson:
Originally posted by littlegett:
crop = framing |
Not really true. If taking a picture, you don't know what cropping factor will be needed for people who will want a copy. Maybe they will want an 8X10 or maybe a 4X6 or maybe an 11X14... all are different cropping factors. But you will never know that when you take the picture.
So what can you do? Take a picture that can be cropped to the most common crop factors and that is the best you can do. It will always require you to leave some wiggle room. |
I always felt that the photographer decides what aspect ratio their work will be available in, and the customer gets to choose what size print they want at that aspect ratio.
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07/07/2006 07:55:54 PM · #98 |
For what it's worth ... I think every comment is worthwhile as long as it gives me some clue as to what the commenter was thinking. It may be a challenge (for me) to figure out what he/she meant in the context of my image, but I still think what they say is important.
Just like there are no stupid questions, there are no stupid comments. Only stupid interpretations of those comments and I'm working to overcome that challenge. :-)
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07/07/2006 07:56:50 PM · #99 |
Originally posted by dwterry:
For what it's worth ... I think every comment is worthwhile as long as it gives me some clue as to what the commenter was thinking. It may be a challenge (for me) to figure out what he/she meant in the context of my image, but I still think what they say is important.
Just like there are no stupid questions, there are no stupid comments. Only stupid interpretations of those comments and I'm working to overcome that challenge. :-) |
Right on. :D |
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07/07/2006 08:02:06 PM · #100 |
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Originally posted by dwterry:
For what it's worth ... I think every comment is worthwhile as long as it gives me some clue as to what the commenter was thinking. It may be a challenge (for me) to figure out what he/she meant in the context of my image, but I still think what they say is important.
Just like there are no stupid questions, there are no stupid comments. Only stupid interpretations of those comments and I'm working to overcome that challenge. :-) |
Right on. :D |
yeah, but sometimes it takes me until the end of the week to click helpful, I'm stubborn, but not totally stupid (well, most some of the time)
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