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 07/06/2006 01:45:13 PM · #1
are raw shots allowed in basic editing challenges?

Andy
 07/06/2006 01:46:44 PM · #2
Yup... sure are.

Just be careful as to how "raw" they are. ;-)
 07/06/2006 01:47:28 PM · #3
Sure! Of course, you can't enter an actual "RAW" image in anything; it has to be converted to jpg to be posted in DPC. Technically, ALL digital images start out as RAW: when you set the camera to capture a jpg, it is processing the RAW exposure in-camera and saving a jpg version.

R.
 07/06/2006 01:47:42 PM · #4
Yes, provided you violate the rules of basic editing.
 07/06/2006 01:49:19 PM · #5
Originally posted by strangeghost:
Yes, provided you violate the rules of basic editing.


Tell me you forgot to insert "do not" in front of "violate"... jejeje™

R.
 07/06/2006 01:51:25 PM · #6
Sheesh. Can you tell I'm NOT vying for a place on the SC???

Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by strangeghost:
Yes, provided you violate the rules of basic editing.


Tell me you forgot to insert "do not" in front of "violate"... jejeje™

R.
08/08/2006 08:47:28 PM · #7
So what is allowed when you process your raw image in the basic editing category? I'm assuming adjustments to exposore/shadows/brightness is not permitted? What about the other adjustments?
 08/08/2006 09:02:22 PM · #8
Originally posted by domini:
So what is allowed when you process your raw image in the basic editing category? I'm assuming adjustments to exposore/shadows/brightness is not permitted? What about the other adjustments?


Given the current state of the art in RAW processing, any adjustment is allowable in basic because they're, by definition, applied to the whole image. There is, as of yet, no way to spot edit a raw file.
 08/08/2006 09:10:02 PM · #9
there is no way that i know of to do anything illegal to a raw image... that only happens once you convert and mess around in photoshop. correct me if i'm wrong (though i probably didn't need to say that).
 08/08/2006 09:12:15 PM · #10
Originally posted by strangeghost:
Originally posted by domini:
So what is allowed when you process your raw image in the basic editing category? I'm assuming adjustments to exposore/shadows/brightness is not permitted? What about the other adjustments?


Given the current state of the art in RAW processing, any adjustment is allowable in basic because they're, by definition, applied to the whole image. There is, as of yet, no way to spot edit a raw file.


Almost true. There are a couple of adjutments that could be overdone to the point of becoming an effect. Specifically, vignetting correction, if applied in a negative direction can produce a strong vignette effect not present in the original. This is regarded as spot editing because it affects the edges of the image selectively. There has been one DQ for this. The other adjustment that could be overdone to the point of being a DQable "effect" would be chromatic aberration correction. The results of overdoing this one, however, would be butt-ugly, so I don't ever expect to see it.
Those are the only two possibilities I'm aware of that *could* result in a DQ. Either of them *may* be used legally, however, if they are used as a corrective action, to eliminate CA or vignetting, not enhance it.
 08/08/2006 09:35:28 PM · #11
Good to know! I'm not likely to use either, so I'm good to go. I usually only defog in PS, and from my understanding of the rules this is allowed (usm 20/50/0). I have been in the habit of apply a script that adds my settings to a frame, but that'll be easy enough to fix.

Now I've just got to find time to shoot. :)
 08/08/2006 10:25:49 PM · #12
I was also under the impression that you couldn't add the color filter options on B&W images in RAW, the filter had to already have been selected when the photo was taken.

Is this correct or can I add a yellow/orange/red/green filter in RAW adjustments for basic challenges?

Oh.. and if I can't ADD it.. if I already used say a red filter at the time the photo was taken, would it then be okay to change said filter to green in PP or would that also be a no-no?

I haven't done either of these yet for a basic submission but if that is an option I'd be glad to have it available.

Thanks!
 08/08/2006 10:52:44 PM · #13
Color or hue shifting, done globally, has been ruled legal many times, so I feel pretty confident in saying that you can use a strong color, white balance, or hue adjustment in RAW conversion.
 08/08/2006 10:54:49 PM · #14
Originally posted by kirbic:
Color or hue shifting, done globally, has been ruled legal many times, so I feel pretty confident in saying that you can use a strong color, white balance, or hue adjustment in RAW conversion.


I hope so, I've been known to shift colors all over the place :-)
 08/08/2006 10:57:29 PM · #15
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
I hope so, I've been known to shift colors all over the place :-)


Kinda like a Nissan commercial... SHIFT_Color
 08/08/2006 11:04:42 PM · #16
Originally posted by kirbic:
Color or hue shifting, done globally, has been ruled legal many times, so I feel pretty confident in saying that you can use a strong color, white balance, or hue adjustment in RAW conversion.


I hope I don't sound too dense.. but I just want to make sure the area I'm concerned with is the one you are referencing as well..

If you convert the picture style in Digital Photo Professional (came with my Rebel XT) to BW there are three options found beneath the graph that shows up that are different that what's normally there for a regular color picture - these also come up if you shot in BW initially..

Filter effect, Toning effect and Sharpness.

Toning I would expect to be okay since that's similar to making something sepia or B&W for that matter..

But the filter effect appears to add a filter which I thought was against the rules for basic - these filters seem to affect the shadows or highlights in a BW shot. (I have bought similar filters for my film camera for when I use B&W film)

While this does appear to apply to the whole image I just want to be COMPLETELY clear before giving this a go in basic. Better safe than sorry after all!

Thanks!
 08/08/2006 11:09:35 PM · #17
Ah. See, there's a potential example of something that's on the edge. The filter that appears to affect just shadows or highlights may or may not be OK. If all it does is apply a curve, then fine. But if it's acting selectively, not fine. I'm not a DPP user (don't even have installed right now) so I can't give it a whirl. I'd suggest staying clear of it until you get a consensus on it from the full SC. Submit a "general Inquiry" ticket and we'll review it and let you know.

Message edited by author 2006-08-08 23:10:14.
 08/08/2006 11:32:28 PM · #18
Originally posted by kirbic:
Ah. See, there's a potential example of something that's on the edge. The filter that appears to affect just shadows or highlights may or may not be OK. If all it does is apply a curve, then fine. But if it's acting selectively, not fine. I'm not a DPP user (don't even have installed right now) so I can't give it a whirl. I'd suggest staying clear of it until you get a consensus on it from the full SC. Submit a "general Inquiry" ticket and we'll review it and let you know.


But you guys have already OK'd something in PS CS2 that does just that: the "shadow/highlight adjustment" box.

R.
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