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04/29/2002 11:21:35 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by drewmedia:
Originally posted by irae:
[i]Include the words 'the camera must be pointed up' if that's a requirement.
What does the word 'up' mean to you?[/i]
Sure doesn't mean 'horizontal', yet I count at least 16 images in the current challenge where the lens was held parallel to the ground.
I see it in the requirement. We certainly have not disqualified anyone because they were on the "wrong ground" -- but there were images disqualified this morning that were absolutely in a perspective looking [i]down and 2 others that made neither an attempt at 'ground' (take that as you like) or up.[/i]
There's still a picture up of something on the ground, taken from above. You think it was taken with the camera lens raised above the horizontal? I don't really know how to take 'no attempt at ground', as I don't know what pics you're talking about, but are we disqualifying all the indoor images for being taken from the perspective of the floor up?
We ask our users to follow very few rules in submitting to the site, and I think it's unfair that everyone is forgetting that. The [i]challenge is the only thing that limits you in your submissions here, and each challenge should teach you something. That something should be in all submissions, else this would be just another boring photo-submit site. And we certainly don't think that this makes every shot cliche. [/i]
Me, either. My point is that the wording of the challenge is, as evinced by the posts on every challenge I've participated in here, too vague. It is possible to say exactly what the requirements are and still have a wide range of possiblilties. For this challenge, it seems the real requirement is 'an image taken from a low perspective with the lens raised above the horizontal'.
Still, we're listening to all of the opinions here and trying to figure out what to do about future challenges. For the current challenge, in fairness to photographers in the challenge and photographers who have been disqualified, we will be operating under the same guidelines throughout this challenge. Keep expressing your opinions -- we're obviously still a very young site, and we continue to develop it with those opinions in mind.
Again, much appreciated. I really hope that future disqualifications will be limited to submissions which are in confirmed violation of the site rules (copyright, post-processing, timeframe, etc., and not just an educated guess - the author of the image should be contacted and allowed to make their defence) or undeniably out of line with the challenge (a pure black frame for the 'red' challenge, for example). The voters here are narrow-minded enough to discourage anyone from getting anywhere near the gray areas.
Thanks,
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04/30/2002 05:54:58 PM · #27 |
Wow. I had no idea I would incite a riot, and obviously this was not my purpose. It seems there are two questions.
Q1) Should shots that don't fit the challenge be DQed
Q2) Should shots that don't match my interpretation of the challenge get low scores from me (any voter)
A1) I don't think so. If my interpretation of the color red is for some reason green, then by all means, let me submit my green shot for red. Should that be disqualified. I don't think so. That's censorship of ideas.
A2) The idea is to portray the idea of the challenge in such a way as to communicate it's essence to the masses as effectively as possible. Obviously, if I see a green shot for red, then I'm going to say to myself, "That doesn't make me think of red much at all." Although the person taking the shot somehow sees red, his shot does not communicate that to the majority of people, as reflected by votes. That's the whole point. To vote on the shot that portrays the essence of the challenge to the most people while being technically good, and executed well.
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04/30/2002 06:00:20 PM · #28 |
| Oh. I've just realized that this thread is too long for anyone to care any longer. :o) |
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04/30/2002 07:40:20 PM · #29 |
yeah, sonic, that sounds right. and yes, i care; i already answered the most visible threads so i started digging : )
Look, we're not imposing absolute moral law or anything by being specific about the wording of our challengesOriginally posted by sonicblis:
Oh. I've just realized that this thread is too long for anyone to care any longer. :o)
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04/30/2002 10:12:49 PM · #30 |
You must keep in mind that EVERY word we add to the description is one more that people will argue about, look up in the dictionary, and claim is too limiting or not limiting enough. I'm not trying to be cynical here... I'm just going by experience.
The whole DQ process is under review by Langdon and I. We'll keep you posted.
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05/02/2002 05:24:50 AM · #31 |
Originally posted by drewmedia:
You must keep in mind that EVERY word we add to the description is one more that people will argue about, look up in the dictionary, and claim is too limiting or not limiting enough. I'm not trying to be cynical here... I'm just going by experience.
The whole DQ process is under review by Langdon and I. We'll keep you posted.
Drew
Drew and Langdon: I wish you luck. This site is a great idea and I think it would be best unless you need some kind of sponsorship to pay for the site to keep the prizes intangable. Though thats just a personal thought.
Also I ask you to remember that: "You can please all of the people some of the time or some of the people all of the time. (by a president whos name I cant remember Ford or Kennedy maybe)" |
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05/02/2002 06:19:34 AM · #32 |
| it's not like anything even close to a large percentage of pics gets DQ'd. Why for all the hubbub? |
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05/02/2002 04:48:53 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by rjhawkin:
Also I ask you to remember that: "You can please all of the people some of the time or some of the people all of the time. (by a president whos name I cant remember Ford or Kennedy maybe)"
That would be Abraham Lincoln, RJ.
* This message has been edited by the author on 5/6/2002 1:01:41 AM.
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