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06/28/2006 03:25:25 PM · #1
The posting of comments when voting is all part of a learning curve in photography when being judged by your peers, but it would appear that a lot of voters only comment if they are voting possitive, but are quite prepared to give a low score, and move on deeming the image not worthy of comment, Have even noticed that members are asking for feed back on the forum, not being able to understand why there image is scoring poorly, come on have the guts to comment both ways,and help evryone towards that front page.
06/28/2006 03:28:35 PM · #2
Read this and also this.

Message edited by author 2006-06-28 15:30:22.
06/28/2006 03:28:49 PM · #3
Perhaps you should take a look at my comments. Many people have complained that I am overly critical and sometimes outrightly rude in my justifications for the way I vote.
06/28/2006 03:32:52 PM · #4
Originally posted by The Resplendent Snippycat:

Perhaps you should take a look at my comments. Many people have complained that I am overly critical and sometimes outrightly rude in my justifications for the way I vote.


In my books any comment is a good comment.
06/28/2006 03:41:39 PM · #5
Originally posted by hywind:

The posting of comments when voting is all part of a learning curve in photography when being judged by your peers, but it would appear that a lot of voters only comment if they are voting possitive, but are quite prepared to give a low score, and move on deeming the image not worthy of comment, Have even noticed that members are asking for feed back on the forum, not being able to understand why there image is scoring poorly, come on have the guts to comment both ways,and help evryone towards that front page.

My Point being. Recent challenge 265 votes, 10 comments, ave comment 8.5, ave score 4.98. the difference is amazing
06/28/2006 03:42:42 PM · #6
There's just too much complaining about comments received in the forums and unncessarily rude PMs for some users to feel comfortable commenting much anymore.
06/28/2006 03:49:41 PM · #7
Originally posted by The Resplendent Snippycat:

Perhaps you should take a look at my comments. Many people have complained that I am overly critical and sometimes outrightly rude in my justifications for the way I vote.


if anyone has time, look at this guys comments
they are very entertaining...i thought so atleast

06/28/2006 03:53:56 PM · #8
Speaking of comments, I usually try to do 20% on the challenges I vote in and spread those out over the full spectrum - ie I often don't comment on the ones I think will do very well, since they always get lots of comments. I tend to comment more toward the middle, and if I vote a shot low, I'll comment as to why.

All that said, I only hit 7% or so in Bokeh so I owe a bunch more in that challenge. I'm no DrAchoo, but I'd be happy to comment on more bokeh shots if you're interested. Post yours here and I'll see what I can do when I get home this evening.
06/28/2006 04:05:32 PM · #9
i strongly belive that the only reason why people are getting angry is because they take these challenges serriously. There's nothing wrong with being competitive, but one must acknowledge that we are playing with different minds that don't share common interest so we have to see the image beyon our own thought. well, thats just my thought. i could care less if i get bad comments, i actually get exided when i get a comment. so please leave a comments on my pics if you have time :)
06/28/2006 04:05:59 PM · #10
Originally posted by The Resplendent Snippycat:

Perhaps you should take a look at my comments. Many people have complained that I am overly critical and sometimes outrightly rude in my justifications for the way I vote.


Your comments are mostly amusing and at times helpful. ;o)
06/28/2006 04:06:20 PM · #11
The real problem apparently, is that if you get a bad or stupid comment, everyone feels the need to lash out at the person who commented, instead of taking that info into account and moving on with life. I've done it myself, but I *think* I've apologized for that already ;-)

FWIW, just make more comments yourself if you feel the site is lacking in comments. I try to sometimes pick the winners and give them some critiques, they usually go unchecked as helpful.

I'd rather have one full-on, no holds barred critique with all the good and bad in it than 20 silly "love it!!!" comments. But I don't mind those either really.
06/28/2006 04:08:12 PM · #12
wavelength, you are absolutely right :)

I can say I'm happy with every comment. So, let's bring it on! :P
06/28/2006 04:08:18 PM · #13
Originally posted by The Resplendent Snippycat:

Perhaps you should take a look at my comments. Many people have complained that I am overly critical and sometimes outrightly rude in my justifications for the way I vote.


I took a look at your commments and though some may be amusing, I really don't think they would help anybody become a better photographer.

06/28/2006 04:17:34 PM · #14
Originally posted by biteme:

wavelength, you are absolutely right :)

I can say I'm happy with every comment. So, let's bring it on! :P


YOU SUCK!!!! j/k :)
06/28/2006 04:21:09 PM · #15
I've all but stopped commenting on low scoring pictures (although at one time I did follow the "rule" to comment on all 1,2, and 3 scores). The reason is that few of the photographers were marking my comments as "helpful". Frankly, I'd rather spend my time commenting on those pictures that don't need much work to be good.
06/28/2006 04:27:45 PM · #16
Originally posted by noodleboy:

Originally posted by biteme:

wavelength, you are absolutely right :)

I can say I'm happy with every comment. So, let's bring it on! :P


YOU SUCK!!!! j/k :)


uhm. ok. TANK YOU!

:P

edit: mis-spell intended, yes.

Message edited by author 2006-06-28 16:28:19.
06/28/2006 04:31:07 PM · #17
Hope I'm not repeating somone else......

How about, in addition to the rule that your votes count only if you have voted on over 20% of the entries, a rule is created - stating that the votes do not count if less than 3% of the entries recieved comments along with the votes.

Will you go along with this rule?
06/28/2006 04:34:11 PM · #18
Originally posted by zheka78:

Hope I'm not repeating somone else......

How about, in addition to the rule that your votes count only if you have voted on over 20% of the entries, a rule is created - stating that the votes do not count if less than 3% of the entries recieved comments along with the votes.

Will you go along with this rule?


"."

Just an example of the type of comments that would be used to meet the requirement.

In theory it's a good idea but forced comments usually aren't good ones.

Message edited by author 2006-06-28 16:34:26.
06/28/2006 04:35:59 PM · #19
06/28/2006 04:36:59 PM · #20
Originally posted by zheka78:

Hope I'm not repeating somone else......

How about, in addition to the rule that your votes count only if you have voted on over 20% of the entries, a rule is created - stating that the votes do not count if less than 3% of the entries recieved comments along with the votes.

Will you go along with this rule?


See this and adjust response accordingly. :)
06/28/2006 05:04:14 PM · #21
Originally posted by mk:

There's just too much complaining about comments received in the forums and unncessarily rude PMs for some users to feel comfortable commenting much anymore.


Do you not think that this defeats the word CHALLENGE, the administrators control the membership, DQ members for rude comments brought to there attention, the same as images that do not fit the rules.
06/28/2006 05:14:22 PM · #22
Originally posted by biteme:

wavelength, you are absolutely right :)

I can say I'm happy with every comment. So, let's bring it on! :P


Well said Biteme
06/28/2006 05:15:00 PM · #23
I think that most peps welcome the comments given. Really, if you don't want to know what others think of your photos then this is perhaps not the best site to post on! I have to admit that, although some comments sting a bit, I learn from all of them as long the there is some constructive criticism and not just the "I don't get it" comment with out any further explanation. For example: I now am quite aware of the difference between blur and bokeh! I am licking my wounds but at least I learned...
06/29/2006 08:05:47 AM · #24
I first tried to comment as I was voting, because that is when you get your first initial feeling for the photo. But what i began doing is voting, then going back and commenting....starting with the lowest scores I gave and moving up. I found that during my commenting I have ended up bumping some photos up and moving very few down.

In the end I noticed that there are some photos that are just blah...there is no real reason why it got a 5, but no real reason why it deserves higher. I comment on all photos that recieve lower than a 5 because I'm not only explaining to the photographer why I gave a lower score, but I'm justifying it to myself as well.

My biggest complaint with commenting is that if my photo is scoring under a 5 average...I expect to see 20+ comments. If it's at a 5...well I can understand if it's a blah photo that there is no real comment. And lastly....please read the full definition (and not your lopsided point of view) before voting DNMC.
06/29/2006 08:18:49 AM · #25
Hmmm...I have been trying to vote on 100% of images. Sometimes I give a happy, happy comment...but if I can find an area that will help the photographer then I will state as such. And sometimes I give a higher than deserving score but again I will state why. I never copy and paste comments and on the Bokeh image with 433 entries you will be hard pressed to find two comments exactly the same.

So please realise that while comments aren't as common as one would like, there are two things you must realise. That is -

1 - Comments are on the increase...and as people become more comfortable giving criticism without getting it slammed back in their face...this will only increase.

2 - How can you expect to be deserving of something you don't give????

Judi

Edit to add....this is not intended at the OP...but at members of this site in general. Some people are great and will comment...but I am referring to the ones that don't and then whinge about it. You know who you are!

Message edited by author 2006-06-29 08:20:31.
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