Just noticed something re voting in the "Bokeh"

Canon EF-S 17-85mm f/4-5.6 IS USM

06/28/2006 01:09:26 AM · #1

I have just realized that there were well over "400" entries in the "Bokeh" challenge, to be exact, 428 entries. I have looked through the first few pages of the results, and noticed the following; (the highest number of vote that I found, was 299)

292 votes for 1st. place
272 votes for 2nd. place
273 votes for 3rd. place

Does that mean out of everyone who entered, some didn't bother to vote. I think a small number of people who enter challenges, never like vote or comment, if they have an entry, and thats ok.

I was really just curious, thats all.

By the way, "CONGRATULATIONS" to the top five, as they all deserved there placing.....

Message edited by author 2006-06-28 01:10:35.

Bosborne

Canon EOS-30D

06/28/2006 01:11:18 AM · #2

If it's a Members Only challenge, you can look at the entries, but you can't vote.

faidoi

Pentax K10D

Pentax DA 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 AF

06/28/2006 01:11:53 AM · #3

That's about probably the average vote. Many people don't vote on the challenge that they enter.

_eug

Nikon D50

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.8D

06/28/2006 01:12:16 AM · #4

Not everyone votes 100% of the entries.

06/28/2006 01:12:47 AM · #5

I didn't say look, I said vote.....

Originally posted by Bosborne:

If it's a Members Only challenge, you can look at the entries, but you can't vote.

06/28/2006 01:14:16 AM · #6

Yes, I didn't consider this, (silly me) so I guess that would make a differance.....

Originally posted by _eug:

Not everyone votes 100% of the entries.

Art Roflmao

Canon EOS-6D Mark II

Canon PowerShot Pro 90 IS

06/28/2006 01:15:28 AM · #7

My personal policy is that if I enter the challenge I feel obligated to vote on all the other images. As faidoi mentioned, some people have the reverse (or as I would call it, "backwards") policy.

To each his own though. :)

coolhar

06/28/2006 01:15:32 AM · #8

Originally posted by sherpet:

... Does that mean out of everyone who entered, some didn't bother to vote. I think a small number of people who enter challenges, never like vote or comment, if they have an entry, and thats ok. ...

It's only OK as long as the number of people doing it stays small. Personally, I think it's kind of a cop-out.

justin_hewlett

Canon EOS-1000D Rebel XS

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS

06/28/2006 01:38:26 AM · #9

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

My personal policy is that if I enter the challenge I feel obligated to vote on all the other images.

Well of course. When you have an entry in that's just all the more reason to go around handing out 1's and 2's ;)

Melethia

Canon EOS-80D

06/28/2006 07:14:48 AM · #10

I'm one of the "vote on every image in challenges I enter" types. If I entered, I'm at least familiar with the challenge subject, and more often than not, am very impressed with how others interpreted it. I also think that if I want votes, I should give them to others as well. But as our dear Art pointed out, to each his own.

06/28/2006 07:21:47 AM · #11

I like what you say, and I also agree, so therefore, I think you "ROCK" girl.....

Originally posted by Melethia:

Marston

Canon EOS-5D

Nikon AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR II

06/28/2006 07:22:05 AM · #12

I also vote on every challenge that I enter.And give an honest a vote as possible.
I find it very time consuming and so my lack of comments is probably my shortcoming.

KarenNfld

06/28/2006 07:27:32 AM · #13

Originally posted by Bosborne:

If it's a Members Only challenge, you can look at the entries, but you can't vote.

Bokeh wasn't a members only challenge.

Tygerr

Nikon D7000

06/28/2006 07:28:20 AM · #14

Well, as an interesting comparison, check out the voting on the "30 Seconds" challenge...

Only 166 entries, but a massive 68507 votes. That's an average of almost 410 votes per entry! (almost double the average votes of the Bokeh challenge)

And the views were staggering too...
604 views for 1st place
1012 views for 2nd place
783 views for 3rd place

So what does that mean?
Are people more interested in viewing, voting on and learning from 30 second exposures?
Do people simply not know what "bokeh" is, so never bothered to look at the challenge?

Or is it simply that people are daunted by the 428 entries on the Bokeh challenge, and couldn't find the time to work their way through all of those entries?

Not sure, but it will be interesting to see if the trend repeats itself on the 97 Superstition entries vs 260 Glass entries...

JunieMoon

Sony Alpha a7 II

Sony FE 3.5-5.6/28-70 mm OSS

06/28/2006 09:14:52 AM · #15

I do not vote on challenges I enter. I vote on the others. I feel it is wrong to vote on a challenge you enter. You can't help but be toned by the fact you have an entry in it. I did vote on Bokeh, but only got to 40%. Most of the time I try to vote 100%, but there were just too many for me to digest and stick with. I kept losing interest, going to the community member boards, looking up camera equipment, looking at peoples portfolios, looking everywhere but at the challenge. I think that the more entries in a challenge, the harder it is to vote 100%. The only ones that are heavily entered that I find I can vote 100% are the free studies or best of.

posthumous

Canon EOS-40D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

06/28/2006 09:25:09 AM · #16

Originally posted by Tygerr:

Or is it simply that people are daunted by the 428 entries on the Bokeh challenge, and couldn't find the time to work their way through all of those entries?

that's my theory. every time there is a challenge with a lot of entries, someone marvels that there aren't a lot of votes, but I actually expect there to be fewer votes for the reason above. I myself didn't vote on the Bokeh challenge because

1) there were so many entries, and I like to vote all or none
2) I didn't participate in it myself
3) I couldn't bear the thought of slogging through all those macro shots

Nobody

Pentax K-S2

Sigma 70-200mm f/2.8 EX DG APO IF for Pentax

06/28/2006 09:36:53 AM · #17

I generally don't vote on challenges where I think I may be in the top 10, but otherwise, I will vote.

I don't want to second-guess myself as to whether I subconsously voted a photo lower than I would have otherwise had I not been in contention.

Unfortunately, this "conflict of interest" doesn't occur often enough.

Message edited by author 2006-06-28 09:38:19.

ShaneBlake

Nikon D7100

Sigma 30mm f/1.4 EX DC HSM for Nikon

06/28/2006 10:08:36 AM · #18

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

i tend not to vote on challenges that i've entered... and if this puts me squarely at odds with ken, as he states above, then i feel even better about making the right decision...

Melethia

Canon EOS-80D

Olympus 14-45mm f/3.5-5.6 Zuiko Digital ED

06/29/2006 09:00:57 AM · #19

Originally posted by Nobody:

LOL! I'm pretty sure I'm not going to run into this problem. :-) Hopefully you will, though!

nova

Canon EOS-6D

Canon EF 35mm f/1.4L USM

06/29/2006 09:43:27 AM · #20

I can't help but be a wee bit (very wee) perturbed by the big difference in the vote of COMMENTERS vs. NO CAMERA voters on my entry. Don't get me wrong, I am thrilled with the score. And while I'm mentioning it, can any math whiz explain what the breakdown would be to generate a 4.222? The closest I can figure is 4.333 generated by 3 votes totalling 13 (eg, 4, 4 and 5). Just curious, really.

Average Vote per Commenters: 8.611
Average Vote per Users w/ Cameras: 6.566
Average Vote per Users w/out Cameras: 4.222

posthumous

Canon EOS-40D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

06/29/2006 09:48:32 AM · #21

Originally posted by nova:

a number that repeats indefinitely is a fraction over 9, so your score is probably 4 2/9. I would guess that 9 people without cameras voted on your picture.

annasense

Olympus E-500 EVOLT

06/29/2006 09:56:57 AM · #22

Originally posted by nova:

And while I'm mentioning it, can any math whiz explain what the breakdown would be to generate a 4.222? The closest I can figure is 4.333 generated by 3 votes totalling 13 (eg, 4, 4 and 5). Just curious, really.

3 - 3's
16 - 4's
7 - 5's
1 -6

That's one combination. I don't know how many total non-camera voters there were... does it say somewhere?

justamistere

Nikon D3s

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 17-55mm f/2.8G IF-ED

06/29/2006 11:20:30 AM · #23

I started out votomg in any challenge myself of my co-worker entered. I've never thought of giving all others 1s and 2s, as mentioned here. I think most people are generally honest.

We should vote and comment like we want others to do to our entry. A simple "Good" or "Bad" isn't helpful.

If you get tired of commenting, just keep a list of your "canned" comments in a Notepad window and Copy/Paste from it, and occasionally some specifically related information.

The resonsons for results of any statistics is that we are all human.

Bugzeye

Fisher Price Kid-Tough Digital

06/29/2006 11:32:11 AM · #24

i dont really mind if someone enters a challenge and does not vote in that challenge. But I wish they would make a rule vote for one vote for all. By allowing the voter to stop at 20% you are basically screwing 80% of the entries out of a better score. And because it is up to the voter to pick which 20% they vote for it never works out

It isn't so bad to look at my score of 5.0 and see that I got 300 votes But then I look at the guy that scored 7.0 in the same challenge and see that he got 550 votes.

If I can not vote for every picture in the challenge I will not vote period. Because I don't think it is fair to any of you or myself if I only vote for the photos that stand out or if I just get lazy and decide that 20% is enough or what ever the reason may be that I didn't vote for everyone.

Artifacts

Canon EOS-5D Mark II