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06/26/2006 05:05:33 PM · #26
Originally posted by specialk0783:

Originally posted by Qart:

Sorry but I decided to vote everything with long exposed water a 3. All it tells me is that there is a lack of imagination and originality... :)
Stay cool.


I'm sorry that [you] can't figure out the difference between using one subject in every challenge vs. using a subject that is used often, BUT FITS THE CHALLENGE PERFECTLY.

Motion Blur, bokeh, animals, glass, nudes, etc. etc. etc. - whatever the freakin challenge there is always some[one] that enters a picture of a flower...

Water makes for great motion blur pictures...flowers don't exist to be in every challenge...there is no comparison here.


Maybe it's just an average picture? There are lots of entries in all the challenges that fit the challenge perfectly but are just average photos.
06/26/2006 05:08:22 PM · #27
*continues to snicker* :-)
06/26/2006 05:09:54 PM · #28
I haven't participated in a challenge here in a very long time (mainly because I've since found a photographic niche that doesn't lend itself well to challenges), but couldn't resist entering this one.

I've always had problems with how narrow minded a lot of voters are on here, as well as how some people always enter the same subjects, and just try to wedge a puppy, flower, or kid into every single shot they take... both ends of the spectrum can be pretty frustrating. Part of the reason why I stopped entering challenges is because I found that I didn't find a lot of the topics compelling, and rather than force my chosen subject into the topic, I just didn't enter.

If you submit something that's a stretch as far as relevance or creativity, you have to know that this site is going to rate you pretty low for it. Take it or leave it, but that's just an observation after two years here. If you're honestly trying to meet the challenge, and people think you're forcing a subject into a topic that doesn't fit, you might want to take the comments to heart and try and find a different subject next time.

My personal opinion is that while water is a good subject for the techniques of motion blur, it's a very common subject, and as such, you have to try pretty hard to make an impact with a moving-water image... it's great for creating a relaxed, serene, otherworldly image, as if from a fairy tale world. In my own photography, I've found that motion blur is best used as a method to convey motion, not serenity, and perhaps that's being reflected by the voters here.

I'm cruising along in the low 6s, and that seems like it's pretty good for this challenge. We'll see what happens.

Message edited by author 2006-06-26 17:16:40.
06/26/2006 05:10:23 PM · #29
Originally posted by maryba:

Where is that "don't be a dick thread"?


//www.dpchallenge.com/forum.php?action=read&FORUM_THREAD_ID=370075
06/26/2006 05:18:49 PM · #30
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Frankly, I'm more in alignment with the voters the OP mentions than with his take on their opinion; since the challenge is "motion blur" I want to SEE a sense of motion, and shots that smooth out the water to a silky surface don't convey that very well to me.


I totally agree.
06/26/2006 05:28:51 PM · #31
I say we take these issues higher up than the SC...

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06/26/2006 05:32:49 PM · #32
how is it we've made it 20+ comments into a thread discussing an entry in the current challenge? There are less than 20 water shots and less than 5 long water shots.

lock it down people!

Message edited by author 2006-06-26 17:33:02.
06/26/2006 05:34:57 PM · #33
Ditto Doc! Well said.
06/26/2006 05:36:16 PM · #34
Originally posted by specialk0783:

Originally posted by shaileshivyas:

I read this quote some where, and thought it what cool...

"Just deal with what you get...an average is just that, an average."


Your failed attempt at trying to be intelligent is laughable.


Humor was the only purpose. Glad that you got some laughs.

Message edited by author 2006-06-26 17:41:24.
06/27/2006 03:26:45 AM · #35
Hmm. Lemme see if I can boil down a few threads I've seen across several forums, from a newbie's perspective (newbie at DPC, newbie in photography beyond snapshots, far from a newbie at life in general).

1) Complaints about no comments
I definitely would like some comments. I'm averaging 4.7 and haven't received one. Did it get a 3 because someone thought it didn't meet the challenge? Because they thought it hackneyed? Because they didn't get it was motion? Because the lighting/composition/editing/cropping sucked?

Almost no clue. I've entered both the bokeh and motion blur challenges. 267 votes and 80 votes, respectively. 6 comments and 0, respectively.

To encourage others, even with my newbie status, I commented on all of my favorites and lowest scores in the motion blur challenge.

I liked someone's comment about being a comment slut. Sign me up! :)

2) "Negative" comments
Comments that help me understand how to improve are appreciated. Comments that come with at least a little positive spin are REALLY appreciated because they say I wasn't completely wrong to even try that concept. I'm an editor in my job, and I try to start every review with what was done right. Try it - I bet you'll find something to compliment first just about every time. I'm not claiming to be perfect by any stretch, but I try.

3) Attaboy comments
Always nice, but again, please help me learn. What did you like?

4) For all of you experienced people, we newbies need room to breathe
Yes, you've seen every possible statement on comments. Yes, you've seen 10,000 water droplet shots. Yes, you're jaded beyond belief.

But ya know what? To us newbies, that first time is now. I was THRILLED at my first refraction of my house through a rain droplet (two months ago):


To us, the wonder of seeing something so small appear so large via a macro shot is a treat (even though we don't nail the DOF immediately):


etc.

Finally, I'd just like to say a big thank you to all of you who have been here a while. You've created an amazing resource for those of us who are new here, and I look forward to learning by reading, by absorbing, and by doing. :)

P.S. Seriously - how do you get on team suck?
06/27/2006 03:45:51 AM · #36
I have over 1000 comments received. I know thats not much to some people but I don't recall a single comment that bashed my photograph. Yes there are some that told me straight out how they felt and some of them perturbed me. So I started what I call a cool down process before I rant about a comment. And after reading the comment several times and comparing it to the average I received, most of the time I feel the commenter had a valid point.
So needless to say almost all of my comments received have been checked helpful no matter how hurtful I thought there were at first.
06/27/2006 03:51:12 AM · #37
The cool down process is of course such a wonderful idea. And for those rare comments that really *are* stupid or insulting (I've seen a few on other people's pics), well, what are you going to do, because those commenters are probably not going to be affected by anything you might say or ask.
06/27/2006 03:52:44 AM · #38
Yep, Southern Gentleman.

It's too late at night and I left out an important point: it's just human nature to react when someone comes at you.

So if someone wants their suggestion for improvement to be taken as the valuable tidbit it is, all I'm asking is that the writer not be so bored or rushed or whatever that it comes out ruder than you'd speak to a stranger.

Because, at least so far, I'm a stranger to everyone here.

At any rate, I'm much more likely to rant about not receiving any comments than I am about those that suggest improvements, even if they're not exactly gentle.
06/27/2006 04:32:37 AM · #39
To me, smooth water is NOT "Motion Blur".

I believe that motion blur is achieved by following your subject (panning) causing the background to become blurred when using a slower shutter speed. I think many people believe the same, so are voting your shot low and giving you the comments that you believe to be incorrect!

My 2p (Or 2cents!)
06/27/2006 06:38:20 AM · #40
Originally posted by frisca:

specialk0783- if you cannot respond in a way that does not attack specific users or users as a group, please refrain from posting in the forums. Its fine to disagree, its not fine to insult others, call them stupid or "deuches".


Anybody know what a 'deuche' is?
06/27/2006 06:56:49 AM · #41
I think it's a German. They have deuchemarks, don't they?
06/27/2006 07:02:21 AM · #42
Originally posted by karmabreeze:



To everyone who's complaining about a lack of comments, I say, "And why doesn't my entry have a comment from you?"


Oh my gosh! Karmabreeze, this is one of the most awesomest things I've heard in a while :-) ...do you mind if I remember this and bring it up whenever people are complaining???
06/27/2006 08:35:47 AM · #43
Originally posted by levyj413:

P.S. Seriously - how do you get on team suck?


Participate in a few more challenges. If you still want to be on Team Suck, you're in.
06/27/2006 08:42:36 AM · #44
Originally posted by pix-al:

To me, smooth water is NOT "Motion Blur".

I believe that motion blur is achieved by following your subject (panning) causing the background to become blurred when using a slower shutter speed. I think many people believe the same, so are voting your shot low and giving you the comments that you believe to be incorrect!

My 2p (Or 2cents!)


Intentional motion blur is an effect that can be achieved by zooming on a stationary subject, panning a moving subject, using long exposure, etc. Search for subjects that will be enhanced by this treatment.

The challenge description does not agree with you.

06/27/2006 08:50:18 AM · #45
personally i would like to complain ... A LOT :-)
but i have no time :-P

peace,
goran
06/27/2006 09:01:23 AM · #46
Originally posted by taterbug:

Originally posted by karmabreeze:



To everyone who's complaining about a lack of comments, I say, "And why doesn't my entry have a comment from you?"


Oh my gosh! Karmabreeze, this is one of the most awesomest things I've heard in a while :-) ...do you mind if I remember this and bring it up whenever people are complaining???


LOL go ahead... "And how many comments have YOU made on this challenge?"
06/27/2006 11:28:53 AM · #47
Anybody who wants a comment on their submission and didn't get one from me, send me a note and I'll be delighted to after the voting ends.

I just ran out of commenting energy on my initial rush through last night.
06/27/2006 11:35:43 AM · #48
Originally posted by levyj413:

Anybody who wants a comment on their submission and didn't get one from me, send me a note and I'll be delighted to after the voting ends.

I just ran out of commenting energy on my initial rush through last night.


Look me up after the challenge. I try on many (but not all), to post critiques for people just like you who score between 4.5 and 5.5. It's usually a thread called "4.5-5.5 in (challenge name)? I'll comment"

But for you, my friend, a free pass. Just send me a PM after your next challenge...
06/27/2006 11:39:30 AM · #49
Originally posted by pix-al:

To me, smooth water is NOT "Motion Blur".

I believe that motion blur is achieved by following your subject (panning) causing the background to become blurred when using a slower shutter speed. I think many people believe the same, so are voting your shot low and giving you the comments that you believe to be incorrect!

My 2p (Or 2cents!)


Wouln't that be called "Motion Panning"? I had this confusion before the challenge too. I aksed in the other thread before the challenge, and got answer that Motion Panning and Motion Blur is two different things.
06/27/2006 11:49:11 AM · #50
Originally posted by shaileshivyas:

Originally posted by pix-al:

To me, smooth water is NOT "Motion Blur".

I believe that motion blur is achieved by following your subject (panning) causing the background to become blurred when using a slower shutter speed. I think many people believe the same, so are voting your shot low and giving you the comments that you believe to be incorrect!

My 2p (Or 2cents!)


Wouln't that be called "Motion Panning"? I had this confusion before the challenge too. I aksed in the other thread before the challenge, and got answer that Motion Panning and Motion Blur is two different things.


The challenge descriptions makes specific mention of both methods. I don't know why people are arguing over this. The description made it rather clear that it could be achieved by either a moving subject or a moving camera. If the water is the subject, and the smooth blur is the result of water flowing (which is movement, aha!), then the smooth water shot meets the challenge description just loverly. It doesn't keep it from being cliche, but it is clearly not a DNMC. I frankly don't know why people are getting their panties in a twist over it. :P
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