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06/26/2006 12:54:20 PM · #1 |
TOTTIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!!!!!!!!
SEI GRANDE SEI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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06/26/2006 12:55:37 PM · #2 |
| No offense, but that was a bad call |
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06/26/2006 12:58:01 PM · #3 |
| thats the beuty of the world cup |
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06/26/2006 01:00:22 PM · #4 |
I always root for the underdog...
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06/26/2006 01:03:04 PM · #5 |
Yeah, Italia was really lucky. They didn't play better or worse, and the game deserved to be a tie, and even go to Penalty shots.
However, that's the world cup. If what they have is just lucky, well, they won't make it through the next rounds. They've still got a lot to prove in this cup.
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06/26/2006 01:05:13 PM · #6 |
| Other teams still have a lot to prove as well. England and Portugal come to mind. Between those two, we'll see who stumbles best (or the least) in the next round. |
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06/26/2006 01:06:13 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Other teams still have a lot to prove as well. England and Portugal come to mind. Between those two, we'll see who stumbles best (or the least) in the next round. |
Portugal seems very good at stumbling intentionally ;) |
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06/26/2006 01:06:50 PM · #8 |
True... I'll even go ahead and say Brazil still has to prove why they're the number 1 in the world. Sure we played good the last game, but Japan is not a team that comes to mind when you hear the word soccer. :)
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06/26/2006 01:10:35 PM · #9 |
The world cup was last held in Japan and South korea, and both teams advanced out of their group, with South Korea playing Turkey for third place.
I don't understand why so many people are still surprised that Japan has a soccer team that makes it to the finals?
Every country in the world has a team! American Samoa has a team!!
Edit: clarification
Message edited by author 2006-06-26 13:11:05. |
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06/26/2006 01:11:12 PM · #10 |
| imagine a final brazil vs argentina... simpply the best final in hte history of world cups |
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06/26/2006 01:12:44 PM · #11 |
I am not surprised Japan has a soccer team. I think they are actually pretty good for being so new in the world cup scenario. Zico has done a spectacular job as their coach, and they have good players. However, they are not what one would consider to be a soccer giant, such as Brazil, Argentina, England, etc.
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06/26/2006 01:13:37 PM · #12 |
I personally feel this was a DISGRACE to soccer worldwide, I've been playing my entire life and used to be a very die hard Italian fan, now I root against them at any given time. I wish I didn't have to given my proud Italian-American heritage, but teams like Italy, Spain, France and Portugal are ruining the sport that I love so much. Grosso dove over a players back and never in fact made contact with him. For him to given a pentalty kick (as close as you can come to a guarenteed goal) is rediculous. I've said since I was very young that the pentalty is the tradedy of soccer, it needs to be eliminated or altered so that it's not near guarentee, 12 yards for a professional athlete that can hit a ball over 70 mph is a joke. Austrailia was robbed by the Italian divers again, and I hope that Italy doesn't make it out of the round of 8. However they will given the fact they are a celebrity team that people like to watch. That "foul" in the Italian box is not a pentalty. It just frustrates me that a referee can have that much say in the outcome of a tournament with such beauty and grandeur. FIFA needs to watch the tape and get more intelligent about the sport, change the PK and get rid of diving, or this sport will be as big of a joke as American Boxing.
my two cents
Damien Tancredi
Message edited by author 2006-06-26 13:16:59.
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06/27/2006 07:10:12 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by tancredi:
I personally feel this was a DISGRACE to soccer worldwide, I've been playing my entire life and used to be a very die hard Italian fan, now I root against them at any given time. I wish I didn't have to given my proud Italian-American heritage, but teams like Italy, Spain, France and Portugal are ruining the sport that I love so much. Grosso dove over a players back and never in fact made contact with him. For him to given a pentalty kick (as close as you can come to a guarenteed goal) is rediculous. I've said since I was very young that the pentalty is the tradedy of soccer, it needs to be eliminated or altered so that it's not near guarentee, 12 yards for a professional athlete that can hit a ball over 70 mph is a joke. Austrailia was robbed by the Italian divers again, and I hope that Italy doesn't make it out of the round of 8. However they will given the fact they are a celebrity team that people like to watch. That "foul" in the Italian box is not a pentalty. It just frustrates me that a referee can have that much say in the outcome of a tournament with such beauty and grandeur. FIFA needs to watch the tape and get more intelligent about the sport, change the PK and get rid of diving, or this sport will be as big of a joke as American Boxing.
my two cents
Damien Tancredi |
I'll be honest and say I don't really like soccer much. But, since Australia was actually in the world cup I found myself watching the games. I still don't understand a lot of the tackling rules to be honest. I'm glad we made it as far as we did but to go out of the world cup due to someone tripping over and a bit of fantastic acting is pretty bad. I can now see why I hate soccer so much. It was almost laughable! Oh well, back to my Aussie Rules I guess! ;)
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06/27/2006 07:17:15 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by tancredi:
Grosso dove over a players back and never in fact made contact with him. For him to given a pentalty kick (as close as you can come to a guarenteed goal) is rediculous. |
IMO, this is the biggest downfall of the mens game. MEN ARE FAKERS...LOL It takes so much away from the game when they take a dive, roll around on the ground as if they just broke their leg, and then hop up as soon as the whistle blows. This happens ever couple minutes throughout the game, and the scary thing is that itt has gotten much better since it became a yellow card offense many years ago. It makes me want to scream!
Nevertheless, I still love to watch. I just hate seeing a dive change the outcome of a game.
That said, I much prefer watching the women play!
Jenn
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06/27/2006 07:39:15 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by rscorp:
TOTTIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!!!!!!!!
SEI GRANDE SEI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Yes, well done Italy. Grosso's dive was a sadly typical of modern Italian football. Just like this.
The Beautiful Game is being destroyed, just like professional cycling, and by much the same people.
Edit to add ... the original title of this thread was "ITALY WINS" to which I would add "and football loses."
Message edited by author 2006-06-27 07:41:46. |
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06/27/2006 07:51:05 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by ubique:
[quote=rscorp]Edit to add ... the original title of this thread was "ITALY WINS" to which I would add "and football loses." |
Football was already lost as soon as it became about money and not sport. |
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06/27/2006 08:08:35 AM · #17 |
This sport will never die. I remember playing football on the street as young as 5, and as a teenager I played with the gang whenever and wherever it was possible. I played with good (leather!) balls, rubber balls, small balls, big balls, even with no ball!
That is the wonder and actually the biggest strength of football: it is *fun* to play, and can be played almost anywhere.
The World Cup is a big commercial event, let's not forget it. Once every 4 years FIFA gets to be a star. But it would take a lot more than that to ruin this sport. |
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06/27/2006 08:21:54 AM · #18 |
Referees win and lose games. The problems of diving and foul play are not simple, as is demonstrated by Sepp Blatter's simplistic response of lowering the threshold and increasing the sanction for such offences. The result is a rain of yellow and red cards and even players urging the ref to show cards to members of the opposition. Not long ago it was close to unthinkable to be an accessory to the formal sanctioning of a fellow player, but now it's become one of the deciding factors of the game.
As an Englishman I was brought up to honour fair play, and even to believe that 'we' did it more than others. When I made the aquaintance of a couple of Argentines (on the run from Galtieri, before the Falklands or the 'hand of god'), I was terribly impressed to understand their attitude to playing football. Like love and war, once the ref starts the game, all's fair. It's not fair if the ref says it isn't fair, but there's no moral dilemma involved in sneaking under his radar. We jolly English chaps sneer at this cynicism, but what I think we would do well to respect is that when the ref blows for no side after ninety minutes or however long it takes, football stops for the Argentines and life resumes as before. The English still haven't got over Maradona's goal despite the whistle blowing for no side twenty-five years ago.
Let's hope the cream can float to the top and we get a final with the likes of Argentina and Brazil tearing into it like there's no tomorrow and not being stultified by pedantic referees.
Edited to wish pacpinto good luck on Saturday :) (Obviously I hope Portugal lose, but hey...)
Message edited by author 2006-06-27 08:28:24. |
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06/27/2006 10:36:41 AM · #19 |
Hey raish! Thanks...
I also wish you the best of luck. Read this as: I wish England's players play the game to the best of their capabilities. I love football, not teathrics or all-out midfield battles. We (Portugal - England) have an history of playing great games in World and Euro Cups. So let's hope the best side wins, and wins in a game to remember!
Just a small side note: I also think fair play should be honoured by all players. Did you see Portugal-Netherlands? Now there is a clear example of "unfair" play... |
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06/27/2006 10:43:03 AM · #20 |
That's sports, especially football. Every single team does it unfortunately, INCLUDING Australia who after the call did not go their way yesterday claim innocence and talk about how fair they are on the pitch, as if no one on their team had ever done the same thing.
Sometimes the call goes your way, sometimes it doesn't. That's the sport and that's life. A BIG example of this is how about Italy vs. Korea 4 years ago??? Italy was COMPLETELY robbed of that game due to the refs, it was in the papers and on the internet the next day just like this one is today...even more so. It was ludicrous. Sooo...4 years ago the call went against the Italians, yesterday it went for them.
It's not just soccer refs that suck, how many American football games have been influenced by questionable calls too? As far as I'm concerned, Italy had more chances on goal the whole game and would have won anyway. This makes up for having been sent home 4 years ago so Korea could advance.
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06/27/2006 10:47:45 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by raish:
Referees win and lose games. |
And sometimes they lose their job... My favourite WC story so far is about the English ref who got sent home because he gave three yellow cards to a player in the USA V Croatia game.
In my opinion, it's not just the diving players that are sullying "the beautiful game", it's also the guys brandishing all those cards about... (see Portugal v Holland).
PS. the only really beautiful game, is rugby... (sorry, I just had to get my own South African two cents in there... :-D ) |
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06/27/2006 01:35:54 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by pacpinto:
So let's hope the best side wins, and wins in a game to remember! |
I'm right with you. I did see Portugal/Netherlands, but I also just watched Brazil/Ghana. It was a treat to watch the way the opposing players respected each other after the game... |
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06/27/2006 02:35:37 PM · #23 |
the games are fixed i tell you FIXED!!! *someone sneeks behide me and hits me behide the heat and drags me away to wake up naked the next day in the dump* :)
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06/27/2006 03:16:56 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by Tygerr:
And sometimes they lose their job... My favourite WC story so far is about the English ref who got sent home because he gave three yellow cards to a player in the USA V Croatia game. |
I think it was Australia vs Croatia.
I'm nearly convinced the refs got together to prevent the US from winning a game. The Italy game was horrible. Italy should just field their soccer team as their Olympic diving team and they'll win every gold. Only that phantom PK call in extra time against Ghana was worse. And then watching the Ghanaians wailing and flailing around for the last ten minutes just added insult to injury.
It's a shame the story of this World Cup has been the poor officiating and not the play. Not just against the Americans, either. See: Holland vs Portugal. |
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06/27/2006 03:49:35 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by raish:
I'm right with you. I did see Portugal/Netherlands, but I also just watched Brazil/Ghana. It was a treat to watch the way the opposing players respected each other after the game... |
Luckily most of the times these silly behaviours aren't followed by the fans. Here in Cascais (near Lisbon) after the "Battle of Nuremberg" (as the game Portugal/Netherlands is now known) fans from both sides got together in the streets, drinking beer and singing all night. I still remember that a similar spirit reigned all through Euro 2004, here in Portugal. People got together and celebrated their love of the game, and in that spirit, the world cup would be a tremendous oportunity.
Let's hope it gets better from now on. It's hard to get worse... :) |
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