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06/26/2006 10:33:21 AM · #1 |
See the news item at DPReview.
They claim that the free RSE will still be available. We'll see how long that lasts. |
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06/26/2006 10:37:21 AM · #2 |
That sucks. Even RSe will go away pretty soon (see below).
I am mad! I paid for RSP and it works well, and is necessary since Adobe refused to update the RAW filter for CS for the XT. I just missed the upgrade date and didn't feel compelled to give Adobe another $125 in less than 1 year to upgrade the RAW converter on CS (requiring CS2 now).
"In preparation for this integration, the Pixmantec RawShooter Premium product is being discontinued, though the free RawShooter Essentials product will continue to be available until the Lightroom public beta program is completed. Existing Pixmantec customers will continue to be supported by Adobe and will be provided with an upgrade path to the Adobe digital imaging product family."
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06/26/2006 10:37:40 AM · #3 |
Originally posted by kirbic:
See the news item at DPReview.
They claim that the free RSE will still be available. We'll see how long that lasts. |
Figures! I just started getting comfortable with RSE. Now they'll probably make it all complicated. ;^) |
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06/26/2006 10:41:09 AM · #4 |
Seems Adobe is trying to become the Microsoft of digital media. Macromedia, Pixmantec, who's next?
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06/26/2006 10:43:24 AM · #5 |
Bottom line, I guess if RSP owners get a good deal on Lightroom as an "upgrade" then it may not be a completely bad thing.
It's not good news for a lot of Pros who have relied on RSP for a fast, efficient workflow. |
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06/26/2006 10:45:43 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Seems Adobe is trying to become the Microsoft of digital media. Macromedia, Pixmantec, who's next? |
They've been monopolizing the field for some time, particularly since they bought out PageMaker. The real problem is that they also control the basic program which produces almost all non-photographic output (PostScript) -- this vertical integration gives them a real competitive advantage in the publishing world. |
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06/26/2006 10:48:14 AM · #7 |
| Not only images, they bought out a great sound editor - CoolEdit a year or two back. Went from being reasonably priced to overpriced. |
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06/26/2006 10:52:19 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by pineapple:
Not only images, they bought out a great sound editor - CoolEdit a year or two back. Went from being reasonably priced to overpriced. |
Tell me about it! And Sony bought the SoundForge editor, which also sucked. I owned both SoundForge and CoolEdit and was S.O.L on both :-P |
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06/26/2006 10:53:12 AM · #9 |
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06/26/2006 10:56:07 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Seems Adobe is trying to become the Microsoft of digital media. Macromedia, Pixmantec, who's next? |
Interesting. I never thought about that - but you're right of course.
For some reason, Adobe don't piss me off in the same way Microsoft does with their arrogant, monopolistic behaviour. I wonder why and whether that will change?
Message edited by author 2006-06-26 10:57:29.
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06/26/2006 11:01:40 AM · #11 |
That sucks.
I liked the fact that Pixmantec was "doing its own thing". It was different and unique from the rest. And the competition among raw processors helped improve the market. I don't consider this good for the industry. |
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06/26/2006 12:01:02 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Seems Adobe is trying to become the Microsoft of digital media. Macromedia, Pixmantec, who's next? |
What if they bought NeatImage?
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06/26/2006 12:06:19 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by faidoi:
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Seems Adobe is trying to become the Microsoft of digital media. Macromedia, Pixmantec, who's next? |
What if they bought NeatImage? |
Shhhh...but, CS3 would have better noise reduction built in :-)
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06/26/2006 06:59:02 PM · #14 |
Natch. I'd just got used to RSP - saved me a few clicks over Adobe Bridge & Raw convertor in my workflow. Still, it proves that Adobe isn't infallible - their convertor was clearly inferior if they've resorted to buying up the competition. Let's hope they integrate it rather than ditching it, as some monopolists are wont to do.
RSP's pluses - integrated lightroom & conversion panes, slideshow & quick scoring (only 4)
Adobe's pluses - More options for scoring images (36) & lens correction.
Lightroom? Lets wait and see...
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06/27/2006 12:41:57 AM · #15 |
| Interesting... I have RSP so I hope they do offer a good deal on what ever they plan on replacing it with... |
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06/27/2006 12:45:33 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Seems Adobe is trying to become the Microsoft of digital media. Macromedia, Pixmantec, who's next? |
Trying?
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06/27/2006 12:50:18 AM · #17 |
This sucks royally! RSP is about the simplest and most intuitive RAW converter out there. Adobe produces nothing as simple unless it is stripped of all its power.
Guess I'm going to have to start rooting for Microsoft's new entry that is reported coming and hope for the best. I do not hold out much hope for Lightroom on Windows.
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06/27/2006 12:58:55 AM · #18 |
I got sucked into RSP a week before they added the colour engine (more money - completely optional piece of course), so I am used to getting the rough end of the pineapple from Pixmantec.
Will see what happens I guess but on the surface it's not such a good deal for those of us that liked a light weight stand alone application and bought into the crock about future development.
I certainly can read more $ between these lines "and will be provided with an upgrade path to the Adobe digital imaging product family" - unless I missed the free/cheap part :-/ |
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06/27/2006 01:11:08 AM · #19 |
I just finished reading the forums at Pixmantec. Looks like Adobe bought themselves what they believe will be a market share for it's upcoming Windows Beta of Lightroom.
I guess time will tell if Lightroom can do the job for us but .....
Saw one comment from a Lightroom tech who, while commenting on a complaint that Lightroom is less powerful and does not even have a crurves tool, stated that they are trying to build a whole new program and do not feel they need the old tools if they can do the job better and easier than the old Photoshop ways.
We'll see .....
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06/27/2006 01:19:29 AM · #20 |
Originally posted by jbsmithana:
Saw one comment from a Lightroom tech who, while commenting on a complaint that Lightroom is less powerful and does not even have a crurves tool, stated that they are trying to build a whole new program and do not feel they need the old tools if they can do the job better and easier than the old Photoshop ways. |
Yeah, Just read that thread - maybe our upgrade path will come in under a fortune but I doubt it.... Not happy :-/ |
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06/27/2006 05:53:00 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
They've been monopolizing the field for some time, particularly since they bought out PageMaker. |
u mean Aldus ;) who merged with Adobe in 1994 ;) |
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06/27/2006 06:58:35 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by Bobster:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
They've been monopolizing the field for some time, particularly since they bought out PageMaker. |
u mean Aldus ;) who merged with Adobe in 1994 ;) |
Well, yeah, but "RageMaker" was the main asset which Aldus had and Adobe wanted -- previously Adobe had only had FrameMaker, an extremely powerful yet hard to use page-layout program (from Adobe? No!) pretty much confined to long, cross-referenced technical projects.
Note that when Adobe got Macromedia, they also got Fontographer -- the tool for creating/editing PostScript and TrueType fonts, and FreeHand, the only viable competition to Illustrator other than (maybe!) CorelDraw. |
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06/28/2006 06:06:38 AM · #23 |
Look at it this way. Pixmantec was a small company. All starting companies aim at being the big guys on the market or being bought by the big guys. In this case, Adobe.
They just made a whole wad of money and must be pretty damn happy about it. Plus, a few people from the development team got themselves positions at working for Adobe. What more could you wish for as a software developer?
Yes. This saddens me very much as I bought RSP on the first week of it's release. Sometime late last year. Anyway. Adobe better give me a damn good deal on their Lightroom if they want me to switch.
I find it very rude to buy out a piece of software that attracted a great amount of it's followers by the low price (I got it for the workflow) and then give $50 rebates on software that costs $500+.
EDIT: I think Adobe would be stupid not to use some of the great features from RSP. RSP alone is far superior than Adobe's ACR (Aside from a few colour issues).
Message edited by author 2006-06-28 06:08:54. |
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06/28/2006 08:32:34 AM · #24 |
Originally posted by Uusilehto:
... EDIT: I think Adobe would be stupid not to use some of the great features from RSP. RSP alone is far superior than Adobe's ACR (Aside from a few colour issues). |
The simple to learn and simple to use features of RSE and RSP are not fitting with Adobe's business model. They bought Pixmantec to eliminate threatening competition, not to merge superior product into their future offerings. Their will be enough traces of RawShooter for the buyer to identify with but they will only be window dressing on a more complicated, harder learning curve, lots of features that you don't really need or want, many different ways to do the same thing, type of product. That way they can justify charging 4 or 5 times as much as the product is really worth.
I think Neil has it right at the beginning of the first response in this thread. Originally posted by nshapiro:
That sucks. |
Adobe sucks.
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06/28/2006 12:53:46 PM · #25 |
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