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06/21/2006 12:20:41 AM · #1
.. of bokeh, what do you think?

Message edited by author 2006-06-21 00:20:59.
06/21/2006 12:23:24 AM · #2
I agree with you I think. The first few entries I looked at and went "whahhh?" Right now I am checking out the new challenges and want to see the other placements in the ones just ending, but wow, I think a lot of people certainly have their own take on bokeh for sure.
06/21/2006 12:41:20 AM · #3
Yea, and that means that those people who entered the not-so-bokeh images are also voting to make their image entry count, therefore throwing the scores out of wack. Meaning a person who really hit bokeh on the head might not get as high as an image who someone that entered a pretty/crisp image with just small dof/blurry background.
06/21/2006 12:45:01 AM · #4
Originally posted by jfriesen:

Yea, and that means that those people who entered the not-so-bokeh images are also voting to make their image entry count, therefore throwing the scores out of wack. Meaning a person who really hit bokeh on the head might not get as high as an image who someone that entered a pretty/crisp image with just small dof/blurry background.


Exactly the reason I chose 30 Seconds. I wish you guys luck, but IMO this will be a low scoring challenge.
06/21/2006 12:45:37 AM · #5
Originally posted by jfriesen:

Yea, and that means that those people who entered the not-so-bokeh images are also voting to make their image entry count, therefore throwing the scores out of wack. Meaning a person who really hit bokeh on the head might not get as high as an image who someone that entered a pretty/crisp image with just small dof/blurry background.


Yeah, I'm thinking the same thing and now a little nervous. I thought mine was really good for bokeh, but after seeing the really awsome ones and knowing what the so-so's are going to do I'm not staying hopeful for mine.
06/21/2006 12:47:02 AM · #6
Well I went through quite a lot already and don't see that. But couldn't this thread hurt the entries that are in there?

Message edited by author 2006-06-21 00:47:19.
06/21/2006 12:47:05 AM · #7
I knew that was going to happen. I didn't enter, because nobody in the forum could really agree on what it ment. It really is a depth of field challenge from the ones I have seen so far.
06/21/2006 12:48:18 AM · #8
P&S's who couldn't enter in 30sec could have been doing their best with their equipment...

I sorta agree there's a bunch of chaff there, but I saw a dozen contenders by thumb at least. Both with and without circles of light.
06/21/2006 12:53:50 AM · #9
We are bokeh poor in this challenge. Some very nice photos, but most look like plain 'ol DOF to me. I rejoice when I come across actual bokeh, but they are few and far between. The one's that DO have bokeh are very good, tho!
06/21/2006 12:54:51 AM · #10
Originally posted by rex:

Well I went through quite a lot already and don't see that. But couldn't this thread hurt the entries that are in there?


I'm thinking that a lot of those entries are by people that don't frequent the forums that won't see this anyways.
06/21/2006 12:56:09 AM · #11
Originally posted by awpollard:

Originally posted by rex:

Well I went through quite a lot already and don't see that. But couldn't this thread hurt the entries that are in there?


I'm thinking that a lot of those entries are by people that don't frequent the forums that won't see this anyways.


Not hurt that. It may sway the voters. IMO
06/21/2006 12:56:41 AM · #12
So far I've only seen ones with good bokeh and some with bad bokeh but I haven't come across one that didn't have bokeh at all. Now I haven't looked at each one yet but I have looked at a few pages worth of images. If it has blur in it then there's bokeh plain and simple. The circles of confusion (a.k.a. bokeh) is the only way blur is accomplished in camera so the circles are always there whether you see them or not. The only question is how good or bad it is and how well or how poorly it enhances the subject.

Message edited by author 2006-06-21 00:58:32.
06/21/2006 12:57:53 AM · #13
Originally posted by yanko:

So far I've only seen ones with good bokeh and some with bad bokeh but I haven't come across one that didn't have bokeh at all. Now I haven't looked at each one yet but I have looked at a few pages worth of images. If it has blur in it then there's bokeh plain and simple. The circles of confusion (a.k.a. bokeh) is the only way blur is accomplished in camera so the circles are always there whether you see them or not. The only question is how good or bad it is and how well or how poorly it enhances the subject.


Hear Hear!
06/21/2006 01:16:34 AM · #14
I'm with Yanko and Wazz, I think there's a LOT of people who did know what bokeh is in there, just from the thumbs. anyways, my shot sux, I have no idea why I entered it.
06/21/2006 01:22:31 AM · #15
Originally posted by wavelength:

I'm with Yanko and Wazz, I think there's a LOT of people who did know what bokeh is in there, just from the thumbs. anyways, my shot sux, I have no idea why I entered it.


Yep, based on a quick peak at all the entries, at least 350 do know what it is.

Message edited by author 2006-06-23 14:12:01.
06/21/2006 01:26:43 AM · #16
art & interpretation

or

painfully obvious just for the sake of a score.

Hmmmmm?

06/22/2006 06:21:48 PM · #17
Originally posted by yanko:

So far I've only seen ones with good bokeh and some with bad bokeh but I haven't come across one that didn't have bokeh at all. Now I haven't looked at each one yet but I have looked at a few pages worth of images. If it has blur in it then there's bokeh plain and simple. The circles of confusion (a.k.a. bokeh) is the only way blur is accomplished in camera so the circles are always there whether you see them or not. The only question is how good or bad it is and how well or how poorly it enhances the subject.


Well, I respectfull disagree. Good bokeh to me are when the out of focus areas of the picture are pleasantly rendered without harsh edges. And IMO it has very little to do with circular rendering of background lights.
In this challenge the oof areas should enhance the shot. I agree with someone who said very few shots does that.

Håkon

Message edited by author 2006-06-22 18:22:56.
06/22/2006 07:00:25 PM · #18
Originally posted by ergates:

Originally posted by yanko:

So far I've only seen ones with good bokeh and some with bad bokeh but I haven't come across one that didn't have bokeh at all. Now I haven't looked at each one yet but I have looked at a few pages worth of images. If it has blur in it then there's bokeh plain and simple. The circles of confusion (a.k.a. bokeh) is the only way blur is accomplished in camera so the circles are always there whether you see them or not. The only question is how good or bad it is and how well or how poorly it enhances the subject.


Well, I respectfull disagree. Good bokeh to me are when the out of focus
areas of the show are pleasantly rendered without harsh edges. And IMO it has very little to do with circular rendering of background lights.
In this challenge the oof areas should enhance the shot. I agree with someone who said about 12 shots in this challenge does that.

Håkon


I agree, good bokeh should have soft edges in the OOF areas but that's good bokeh. Bad bokeh has harder edges but it's still bokeh and that's the only point I've been making here. In other words, bad bokeh shouldn't get a DNMC vote just a poor technicals vote. Same thing for the bokeh not enhancing the subject. Like with every challenge we'll see the good, the bad and the ugly.
06/22/2006 08:01:51 PM · #19
BOKEH AND DEPTH OF FIELD ARE THE SAME THING!!!

Geez...there is no difference between Bokeh and a blurry background known as "depth of field" - Bokeh is just a Japanese word that describes the blurry background we Americans call "DOF"

Now get off it already...Bokeh is Bokeh, Depth of Field is Bokeh, Bokeh is Depth of Field, DOF is DOF, DOF is Bokeh, Bokeh is DOF...NOW STOP ARGUING!
06/22/2006 08:07:00 PM · #20
happy pills all around...

:) :) :) :) :)
06/22/2006 08:20:30 PM · #21
Originally posted by jfriesen:

Yea, and that means that those people who entered the not-so-bokeh images are also voting to make their image entry count


Why would anyone do that?! That's just playground pettiness, and very silly.

I certainly hope these are not adults that you're speaking of! :(
06/22/2006 08:23:41 PM · #22
Originally posted by specialk0783:

BOKEH AND DEPTH OF FIELD ARE THE SAME THING!!!

Geez...there is no difference between Bokeh and a blurry background known as "depth of field" - Bokeh is just a Japanese word that describes the blurry background we Americans call "DOF"

Now get off it already...Bokeh is Bokeh, Depth of Field is Bokeh, Bokeh is Depth of Field, DOF is DOF, DOF is Bokeh, Bokeh is DOF...NOW STOP ARGUING!


No, I disagree. It is my understanding that it is much more than that. Blurred background DOF, or circles of light, bokeh must be an integral and pleasing part of the whole, enhancing the subject to a degree that goes artistically beyond just a shallow DOF.

Hmmmm, it's hard to explain, like Zen.

Message edited by author 2006-06-22 20:24:14.
06/22/2006 08:26:14 PM · #23
Originally posted by specialk0783:

BOKEH AND DEPTH OF FIELD ARE THE SAME THING!!!

Geez...there is no difference between Bokeh and a blurry background known as "depth of field" - Bokeh is just a Japanese word that describes the blurry background we Americans call "DOF"

Now get off it already...Bokeh is Bokeh, Depth of Field is Bokeh, Bokeh is Depth of Field, DOF is DOF, DOF is Bokeh, Bokeh is DOF...NOW STOP ARGUING!


Your igorance is showing.
//www.digitalartform.com/lenses.htm
and the images in I refer to (since there is a lot on that page)
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DOF is depth of field, the area that is in focus. Bokeh is the quality of the OOF area. Not the same thing.
06/22/2006 08:27:13 PM · #24
Originally posted by pepperspray:

Originally posted by jfriesen:

Yea, and that means that those people who entered the not-so-bokeh images are also voting to make their image entry count


Why would anyone do that?! That's just playground pettiness, and very silly.

I certainly hope these are not adults that you're speaking of! :(


Calendar wise they may qualify as adults, but if measure it by behavior...
06/22/2006 08:30:18 PM · #25
Originally posted by cpanaioti:

happy pills all around...

:) :) :) :) :)

Great idea! ;^)
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