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06/14/2006 11:10:30 AM · #1
Could someone(s) fill me in as to the changes that were made for the "n" version of this camera? I am seriously considering a purchase of one or the other. There are a few of the non-"n" versions on the used market, but the "n" versions appear so infrequently used that I have reconciled myself to getting a new one IF I am convinced that the new features are worth the approximately $1000 difference in price.

Some of the differences that I know about seem like they would not be highly important to me. The larger LCD, while certainly a nice feature, is not of major importance. Also, the dual card setup seems to be quite a convenience - one that I had on all my Olympus digi's - but not a real necessity. I have never had a failure from the CF cards, and the convenience of not having to load another card on the fly just doesn't justify the added expense in my mind.

Also, the increase in burst capacity seems to be quite minor.

My real confusion comes in the customizable picture parameters. Any help from real life experience would be very helpful, as would any site(s) that discuss a direct comparison between the two models.

Thanks everyone!
06/14/2006 11:18:22 AM · #2
Essentially, there is no difference, unless you include the "picture styles" stuff.

Look at the comparisons over at dpreview.com, and read the linked articles.
06/14/2006 11:31:20 AM · #3
The "N's" LCD is larger.
06/14/2006 01:14:36 PM · #4
Thanks wavelength and zeuszen.

Another question...do the new "digitally optimized for APS-C" lenses, such as this one work with the 1.3 crop factor?
06/14/2006 01:42:05 PM · #5
Originally posted by jemison:

Another question...do the new "digitally optimized for APS-C" lenses, such as this one work with the 1.3 crop factor?


No. They only work on 300D, 350D, 20D and 30D
06/14/2006 02:14:58 PM · #6
Originally posted by signout:

Originally posted by jemison:

Another question...do the new "digitally optimized for APS-C" lenses, such as this one work with the 1.3 crop factor?


No. They only work on 300D, 350D, 20D and 30D


I'm not talking about the EF-S lenses, such as the kit 18-55. I'm talking about the lenses that are optimized for the smaller CMOS and CCD cameras. They are not for full frame, due to the reduced image circle and are fine for all 1.6 factor cameras. However, I wonder about the 1.3 of the MKII. Will the reduced image circle be very apparent?
06/14/2006 02:41:25 PM · #7
Originally posted by jemison:



Also, the dual card setup seems to be quite a convenience - one that I had on all my Olympus digi's - but not a real necessity. I have never had a failure from the CF cards, and the convenience of not having to load another card on the fly just doesn't justify the added expense in my mind.



The 1D MkII has a slot for a CF card and an SD card also. The only trouble is switching between them. One has to go via the 'Display' function. I seem to remember reading somewhere that it's a little easier on the 'n'.
06/14/2006 02:45:58 PM · #8
Originally posted by AJAger:

Originally posted by jemison:



Also, the dual card setup seems to be quite a convenience - one that I had on all my Olympus digi's - but not a real necessity. I have never had a failure from the CF cards, and the convenience of not having to load another card on the fly just doesn't justify the added expense in my mind.



The 1D MkII has a slot for a CF card and an SD card also. The only trouble is switching between them. One has to go via the 'Display' function. I seem to remember reading somewhere that it's a little easier on the 'n'.


Thanks Alan...this decision is getting easier!
06/14/2006 02:48:41 PM · #9
Another thought on the matter: shoot RAW and forget that the whole concept of picture styles even exists.
06/14/2006 03:15:47 PM · #10
the digital sensor (APS) sized lense will work BUT you will see issues with vignetteing. My friend has a id mk2n and had a tokina 12-24. it worked fine from 15mm on up but was badly vignetting below 15.
06/14/2006 03:17:10 PM · #11
Originally posted by AJAger:

Another thought on the matter: shoot RAW and forget that the whole concept of picture styles even exists.


Not really...you have to pic a style to use when you convert it (dependson the software i suppose, but canon and breezebrowser support pic styles so you have to choose one) - yes, you can customize it, but you can do that in the camera too.
06/14/2006 03:24:05 PM · #12
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:

Originally posted by AJAger:

Another thought on the matter: shoot RAW and forget that the whole concept of picture styles even exists.


Not really...you have to pic a style to use when you convert it (dependson the software i suppose, but canon and breezebrowser support pic styles so you have to choose one) - yes, you can customize it, but you can do that in the camera too.


I think that you might have misinterpreted me slightly. The thrust of my post was in favour of the MkII over the MkIIn, especially if the former could be bought for so much less. With the MkII, shoot RAW and you won't miss the picture styles feature, as it would be pretty much redundant as a concept.

06/14/2006 03:44:19 PM · #13
Originally posted by AJAger:

Another thought on the matter: shoot RAW and forget that the whole concept of picture styles even exists.


I shoot raw for basically everything. However, jpgs not needing post would be nice in some situations. Are the Picture styles with the IIn much different from the customizable modes with the II?
06/14/2006 03:46:24 PM · #14
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:

the digital sensor (APS) sized lense will work BUT you will see issues with vignetteing. My friend has a id mk2n and had a tokina 12-24. it worked fine from 15mm on up but was badly vignetting below 15.


I wonder if the vignetting issue applies to the wide end of all the APS lenses or just the extra wide ones?
06/14/2006 06:21:01 PM · #15
1DMKIIn has carbon fiber shutter blades....thats raises the BAD ASS factor ten-fold.
06/14/2006 07:20:45 PM · #16
Originally posted by jemison:

Originally posted by AJAger:

Another thought on the matter: shoot RAW and forget that the whole concept of picture styles even exists.


I shoot raw for basically everything. However, jpgs not needing post would be nice in some situations. Are the Picture styles with the IIn much different from the customizable modes with the II?


If you use the current versions of sotware you can process you RAW files from older canon cameras into the newer pic styles (this way you can match say a 20D and a 30D that are used at the same event..like a wedding)
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