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08/25/2003 05:55:17 AM · #1 |
“Beauty Is In The Eye Of The Beholder!”…not sure who said it, but it is definitely true! And no I am not referring to my entry!
Sometimes, the challenges we are presented are real “challenges”. They require us to translate somewhat off-the-wall thoughts into a photograph. While shooting things for the “Negative Space II” challenge, it became apparent to me that I was frustrated and banging my head against the wall…nothing I was shooting was working for me. In reality not a tough challenge, just wasn’t working for me!
Then came the brainstorm…”Blackbear At Midnight”.
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I realize some, as always, don’t see what “we” see in our photos. I can live with that concept, as should we all. But at the same time we should open our minds and try to see beyond the obvious, and look into the photo to see what “might” be there. There are great pieces of modern I just don’t “get”, but that doesn’t mean they are not great works of art!
As a testament to my own warped sense of humor, I received more comments (41) and at the same time more “1’s” (71) than ever before for one of my submissions. At the same time, I got my fair share of high scores. Most comments illustrated that they “got” the subject matter. Sure, some think it was a waste of time, but art is “never” a waste of time. Photography should evoke an emotion, even a negative one. It should make us think and ask why or how the subject is the way it is! If we close our minds to photos such as “Blackbear At Midnight”, then we have the potential to close our minds to true greatness, ours and others!
I might have set some records with this submission. I know I set some personal ones. But if only for a brief moment I got one person to stop and think about what they were seeing, or thought they were seeing, then I have accomplished my goal! To look beyond the plain and seek out what is deep inside. Maybe that should we our goal as photographers. To make people see something…good, bad or indifferent…but make them SEE something!
At this point I make a promise to each of you…never again will I submit a “Blackbear At Midnight” style shot…as least not without trying to get them to OPEN their eyes!
Thanks to all of you who voted and commented. It made my day to see how others view my bizarre attempt at humor!
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08/25/2003 06:01:42 AM · #2 |
I think the main problem with this, isn't that it was a waste of time, it was the fact that the exact same photo (exactly the same to the pixel), has been submitted to the site at least 5 times before, and it's getting kinda old. Maybe the first time it was funny, maybe even the 2nd time it was, but for the older members it's just not anymore. I expect most of your higher votes were from new members who had not seen this "funny" kind of submission before (even tho the exact same photo is in the Past challenge).
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08/25/2003 06:32:54 AM · #3 |
Originally posted by Konador:
I think the main problem with this, isn't that it was a waste of time, it was the fact that the exact same photo (exactly the same to the pixel), has been submitted to the site at least 5 times before, and it's getting kinda old. Maybe the first time it was funny, maybe even the 2nd time it was, but for the older members it's just not anymore. I expect most of your higher votes were from new members who had not seen this "funny" kind of submission before (even tho the exact same photo is in the Past challenge). |
I'm quite new here (a July 4 guy). But I had a feeling that this kind of spoof was already done. Nonetheless, I gave it a 3 for making me go ha (the next two syllables, intentionally omited).
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08/25/2003 06:41:32 AM · #4 |
as with anything in photography and/or art...it has been done before. Just someone new to use it and new people to see it. Never anything wrong with it. You will just always get the.."been done, seen it, copy-cat" crap. Please refer back to first sentence
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08/25/2003 06:43:42 AM · #5 |
I could not vote in that challenge because I am not a member and I am a recently registered user.
Well, my friend, if I had given you a vote, you would have 72 1s by now.
There have been threads discussing the importance of a title and some people would like even to remove it. I think the title is very important but there should be some kind of strong reciprocity between it and the photo itself!
Your submission could have been titled, among the million others, :
- "Black Cat In A Dark Alley"
- "Wonderful Ring In A Closed Box"
- "Whatever You Can Imagine"
What if, still using your original title "Blackbear At Midnight” which I find real beautiful, you would have looked for and really try to shot a blackbear at midnight? Or maybe even try to reproduce some kind of fantasy/fiction about how it could have looked like: a negative of a bear.. just the shape of a bear.. etc.
I mean.. can you imagine how stronger your irony would have been if you would have actually had a better reciprocity between the title and the photo?
BTW:
"Beauty Is In The Eye Of The Beholder" is in my signature since I joined.. ;)
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08/25/2003 07:04:31 AM · #6 |
| Perhaps if you'd titled your picture “Beauty Is In The Eye Of The Beholder!”, I might have given it a 3 instead of a 1. As it was, your title showed no imagination, remaining on a childish sense of humour. A rebellious 'up-yours' at the voters does not necessarily mean it's art. As has been mentioned in this thread, it only works the first time, and even then only if it is important in a wider context... ie, it spearheads some artistic movement. Any musician who now gets on a stage and performs silence will be ridiculed, because it's been done. |
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08/25/2003 07:22:11 AM · #7 |
Your entry was boring and juvenile and, as has been mentioned, merely copied previous entries of the same type to dpc. I think you should think yourself lucky to have gotten anything above a 1.
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08/25/2003 07:28:45 AM · #8 |
| man you guys are uptight and serios |
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08/25/2003 07:31:11 AM · #9 |
I see we are not getting the point...thus illustrating the narrow-minded approach some take to photography! This thread was NOT about my photo or entry! Maybe next time try reading ALL the text! Again it was never about the photo...but how we view things! Lighten up people...its just a fun photo site!
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08/25/2003 07:32:21 AM · #10 |
Bruster,
I do agree with the whole its been done before. Ive seen your photos, and you could have done a much better entry.
Aubrey
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08/25/2003 07:59:56 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by Jak:
Your entry was boring and juvenile and, as has been mentioned, merely copied previous entries of the same type to dpc. I think you should think yourself lucky to have gotten anything above a 1. |
But the millionth macro of a flower or butterfly is still unique?
Sure it's something different than just a totally black image but I think when the butterflies aren't labelled as boring then his photo shouldn't be done so either.
There were discussions about how original a photo can be and I think many people agreed that every photo should be viewed as if it was the first kind of it. Otherwise it will become very difficult to score any photo good, because everything was done before.
As another example of humor I like this one.
It once inspired me to my very own silly challenge entry ;-)
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08/25/2003 08:02:33 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by stephan:
But the millionth macro of a flower or butterfly is still unique?
Sure it's something different than just a totally black image but I think when the butterflies aren't labelled as boring then his photo shouldn't be done so either. |
Butterfly or flower macros aren't the same to the pixel. There are always differences.
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08/25/2003 10:18:37 AM · #13 |
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It took thought to come up with a) a repeated image and b) one of the worst scores on dpc?
I realize some, as always, don’t see what “we” see in our photos. I can live with that concept, as should we all. But at the same time we should open our minds and try to see beyond the obvious, and look into the photo to see what “might” be there. There are great pieces of modern I just don’t “get”, but that doesn’t mean they are not great works of art!
This almost sounds like you're saying I didn't "get" your photo - trust me, as artsy as you try and make it now, I GET it.
Most comments illustrated that they “got” the subject matter. Sure, some think it was a waste of time, but art is “never” a waste of time. Photography should evoke an emotion, even a negative one.
I was the photographer that told you that you were wasting our time. I stand by that even if you wish to call me on it in a public forum. Art IS a waste of time when a) it's a copy of another piece of art and b) when there's no ART there. Your photography didn't evoke the negative emotion in me - YOU did. Your photography invoked no emotion because there's nothing to see.
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How do I view things? I look for certain elements that make a good picture. I look for technical prowess, beauty, wow factor, emotive value...a photograph should capture something - an empty photograph is just that - empty.
Second of all - you may not have known this was done before, but it's still a copy. Been there, done that.
I'm sorry you seem offended by my comment, but that's truly how I felt and still do feel. I will continue to give shots like this a 1. Despite a long post about art, this shot has no redeeming value and those who gave it higher than a 1 were scoring the shock/humor value rather than the actual photography and art.
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08/25/2003 10:26:28 AM · #14 |
| A large part of my scoring is based on how good the shot is technically. Even if I don't like the subject matter, I can still score a shot high based on how challenging it was to photograph. The only shots that I give a 1 are the ones that look like someone just turned on the camera and hit the shutter without any thought at all as to subject, composition, lighting, focus etc. Maybe your shot deserved a 2 just for the thought put into it, but the fact is that it was still just about the easiest shot anyone could possibly take.. just leave the lens cap on! |
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08/25/2003 10:26:33 AM · #15 |
Every now and then, I enjoy reading the comments on a random photo. I just read through your comments for this one and I did enjoy that (more than I enjoyed this particular image). We have some real comedians here at DPC! LOL
JD ANderson
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08/25/2003 01:46:01 PM · #16 |
| To all who had negative comments about "Blackbear at midnite" entry....PLEASE TAKE A CHILL PILL....AND GET A LIFE!!!!! Isnt this site for fun?..I think Bruster had good sense of humor to try this one. Bravo Bruster! |
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08/25/2003 02:29:57 PM · #17 |
OK! Im going to tell you why I gave you an 8! I was 8 years old and went on my first camping trip to Canada. My Dad let me have his camera. I took pictures of Ants, fish guts, worms, and whatever a little kid would take pictures of. It was the last night there and my Dads friend Kent said there was a Black Bear outside digging thru the garbage. I grabed my Dads camera and went to the window to take the picture of the bear. It was dark. you can guess witch photo came out all black. Thanks for reminding me of a great memory.
Aubrey
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08/25/2003 02:53:21 PM · #18 |
I love it! There are always people that assume that others didn't "get" a photo because if they did "get" the photo they would love it. And then there are always the people that join in a discussion only to say "chill", you guys are too serious. I say, I am chilling, I am very serious about my fun, and I "get" lots of things : )
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08/25/2003 02:58:21 PM · #19 |
not only do we NOt get it sometimes, but when we don't GET it we are considered TROLL voters too :)
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08/25/2003 02:59:07 PM · #20 |
Is someone bashing mine macro bugs and butterflies?
Pick the weapon buddy!
:-)
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08/25/2003 03:04:10 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by pitsaman:
Is someone bashing mine macro bugs and butterflies?
Pick the weapon buddy!
:-) |
Butterfly antennae at 20 paces.
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08/25/2003 03:14:48 PM · #22 |
| My boyfriend just recently pointed out to me that pitsaman is probably "pizza man". I've been thinking it was pit-samun all along. I'll never look at you the same way again.. or your bugs :P |
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08/25/2003 04:23:57 PM · #23 |
| Blackbear at Midnight reminds me of a piece of music that John Cage wrote in 1952 called 4'33". It consists of four minutes and thirty-three seconds in which the performer plays nothing. A lot of people walked out of the first performance very angry! Yet it has been performed numerous times. The audience reaction is usually more interesting than the performance itself. |
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08/25/2003 04:30:44 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by pitsaman:
Is someone bashing mine macro bugs and butterflies?
Pick the weapon buddy!
:-) |
Wire-handled flyswatter. (with extra cheese ...)
Message edited by author 2003-08-25 16:31:16. |
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08/25/2003 04:33:28 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by sweetie10:
To all who had negative comments about "Blackbear at midnite" entry....PLEASE TAKE A CHILL PILL....AND GET A LIFE!!!!! Isnt this site for fun?..I think Bruster had good sense of humor to try this one. Bravo Bruster! |
This is an unreal character.. please avoid this.
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