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05/06/2006 12:23:39 AM · #1
For those that want to pounce on me, know now that I am not an expert.

Another exersize for those brave enough to venture into the right hemisphere of their brain.

There are no correct answers.

IS LOVE AN ILLUSION? Yes and No answers do not count. So please explain.
05/06/2006 12:36:11 AM · #2
Not an illusion for as long as one chooses to believe in it...

Message edited by author 2006-05-06 00:37:22.
05/06/2006 12:37:17 AM · #3
It's an emotion and an action.
05/06/2006 12:42:38 AM · #4
It is life!
05/06/2006 01:04:18 AM · #5
Is sight an illusion? Hearing? I can "hear" things, and they are as "real" to me as what you hear. Do our brains function by manufacturing illusions that simulate what we choose to call "reality" because our brains tell us it is so?

Love is no more an illusion than anything else we perceive/assimilate by whatever means.

We so seldom say "I love you,"
and then it's too late, or love goes,
so when I tell you that I love you
it doesn't mean I know you'll never go,
only that I wish you didn't have to.


— Hugh Prather

R.
05/06/2006 01:06:19 AM · #6
In my opinion, some people have an "illusion" of what love is....though I don't believe that love *itself* is an illusion. At least, this is what I've learned in my life. Growing up, I had certain notions of what love would be--and should be. And I even thought I was fairly flexible about my definition. But what I've learned in three years (yeah, I know...not quite a lifetime of experience yet) of being married is that love is different than I thought it would be. It's somewhat less romantic...but it is more loyal and more hardworking.

From my experience, love may not always know what to say--but true love will keep trying until if finds the right thing. And if you reach a place where you feel hopeless, love will hope for both of you.

It's not the heady perfection that I used to hope for--because who can be perfect? It's hard for me to put into words, but perhaps the *effort* of love is perfect. No, I'm still not quite saying it right...

But, as far as I believe, love is definitely NOT an illusion....though it may not be exactly what you think it is. Which is good, because in my life, it's proven to be more in so many ways :-)
05/06/2006 01:21:19 AM · #7
It is death! :P
05/06/2006 01:31:15 AM · #8
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Is sight an illusion? Hearing? I can "hear" things, and they are as "real" to me as what you hear. Do our brains function by manufacturing illusions that simulate what we choose to call "reality" because our brains tell us it is so?


hearing = sound waves
sight = light
love = chemicals in the brain
05/06/2006 01:41:08 AM · #9
Love is a decisiion to make and maintain an comitted bond of affection, loyalty, mercy, forgiveness, understanding, patience, kindness, humility, unshelfishness, dignity, respect and truth. It is hopeful, enduring, willing to believe and willing to suffer. Love never fails. People however, at times, fail to love.
05/06/2006 02:01:50 AM · #10
Let's compare love to something photographic...

OK, white balance. Let's say love is shooting in JPEG. The love is right, you nailed it. It just works. Yes, you have a little room to adjust, but not a lot. If you missed it, it's gone, forget about it; no amount of work will make it right.

Now, we have the oppsite side of the coin. Love as RAW. You see something you want and are willing to work for it. You take your initial shot abd hpe it works for you. Wow, you capture her and it's gonna be beautiful. So, you work on the love, tweaking here and there, working for perfection. Sure, some things aren't quite right, but you can abstract highlights from the shadows, strengthen the flat spots and color the love with the effort you put into it.

Love is to some an illusion. They shoot for instant gratification : the JPEG love affair. Everything seems perfect, but in the end, something is just not quite right.

For others love is a reality. They start with something RAW: human emotion. They tweak the rough spots and work through the shadows. THAT is LOVE.


05/06/2006 02:24:14 AM · #11
my actual definition of love

when you want nothing more than to see that person happy. that is love.

is it emotion? is it action? is it both? is it illusion?

no it cannot be an illusion by the definition of illusion. an illusion is seeing something that is not reality.

can love be faked? sure
can people think they love, when they really dont? sure
can love be an illusion? without question

but it can also be very real and very rewarding when it is not the illusionary type and it is the real type.
05/06/2006 02:32:12 AM · #12
Without the fire, the trust, the awe, the pain, the instinct and the dream of love to seal the seams between hearts and souls, the alternative is only an illusion.

05/06/2006 02:34:57 AM · #13
Originally posted by danderson107:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Is sight an illusion? Hearing? I can "hear" things, and they are as "real" to me as what you hear. Do our brains function by manufacturing illusions that simulate what we choose to call "reality" because our brains tell us it is so?


hearing = sound waves
sight = light
love = chemicals in the brain


I am deaf, I cannot "hear" sound waves. But I DO hear "sounds" in my brain; whistles, buzzes, sometimes what I think of as "musical". They are not coming from outside, they are coming from inside. You can hardwire to someone's cochlea and transmit electrical impulses to the nerves and they will become "sounds" in the brain. In the "real" world, there was no sound, and yet the brain "heard" it...

In any case, both sound waves and light waves are perceived by means of "chemicals in the brain", as you put it. There's no fiber-optical tubing transmitting images from the eye to the brain. Beurons are firing, and the brain is reassembling images based on its perception of the activity of these neurons.

A great deal of study, of course, has gone into the nature of "reality" as perceived by the "brain", which itself has no sense organs whatsoever. The brain is deaf, and blind, and mute; it supplies the software, the body supplies the hardware.

So it's not much of a stretch to call love "real".

R.

Message edited by author 2006-05-06 02:38:55.
05/06/2006 02:35:49 AM · #14
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Let's compare love to something photographic...

OK, white balance. Let's say love is shooting in JPEG. The love is right, you nailed it. It just works. Yes, you have a little room to adjust, but not a lot. If you missed it, it's gone, forget about it; no amount of work will make it right.

Now, we have the oppsite side of the coin. Love as RAW. You see something you want and are willing to work for it. You take your initial shot abd hpe it works for you. Wow, you capture her and it's gonna be beautiful. So, you work on the love, tweaking here and there, working for perfection. Sure, some things aren't quite right, but you can abstract highlights from the shadows, strengthen the flat spots and color the love with the effort you put into it.

Love is to some an illusion. They shoot for instant gratification : the JPEG love affair. Everything seems perfect, but in the end, something is just not quite right.

For others love is a reality. They start with something RAW: human emotion. They tweak the rough spots and work through the shadows. THAT is LOVE.


Killer response, Leroy!

R.
05/06/2006 02:52:07 AM · #15
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Killer response, Leroy!

R.


I totally agree!
05/06/2006 02:57:19 AM · #16
Thanks guys! Leroy is totally blushing :-)
05/06/2006 02:58:54 AM · #17
sweeet

(can you take a photo? :P)
05/06/2006 03:17:43 AM · #18
Originally posted by biteme:

(can you take a photo? :P)


Later, when the lighting is better ;-)
05/06/2006 11:38:13 AM · #19
LOVE, a four letter word. Unlike other four letter words can have a multitude of meanings.

I love chocolate ice cream is not the same as being in love with a person.

Love comes with differant importances with every level of life.

A toddler will love "Big Bird".

A preteen will love video games.

A teen will try to understand love.

An unmarried adult will try to find love.

A married adult will try to keep love.

A divorced adult will search for love again.

An older adult that has lost their love from death will miss their love.

The illusion of love therefore could be it is everlasting.
05/06/2006 12:24:18 PM · #20
Love is an emotion, an action, a feeling. It can make you, it can break you. Is it an illusion? Hmmmm, that is something that we can ponder ad finitum. I think it can be summed up succinctly:

Perception IS reality, so love is how you perceive it. Is love real? What IS real? Again, reality is very subjective to each person, so love may be illusional to some yet rock solid and a steady force to others.

I wanna know what love is
I want you to show me

Love is lovelier the second time around

Love makes the world go 'round

I lost love on a two way street
And found it on a lonely highway

Love is all you need

I'm all out of love
I'm so lost without you

If I loved you
Words wouldn't come in an easy way
'Round in circles I'd go

You don't have to say you love me
Just be close at hand
You don't have to say forever
I will understand

Love is the most beautiful of dreams
And the worst of nightmares

Hope, Faith and Love abide
But the greatest of these is Love
05/06/2006 12:33:05 PM · #21
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:


Love is to some an illusion. They shoot for instant gratification : the JPEG love affair. Everything seems perfect, but in the end, something is just not quite right.

For others love is a reality. They start with something RAW: human emotion. They tweak the rough spots and work through the shadows. THAT is LOVE.


I shoot in RAW+JPEG...just to be certain that I get what I want/need.
05/06/2006 12:40:19 PM · #22
Love is as much an illusion as life is. Both are a miracle when they occur and yet can be nothing more then a fleeting moment.
05/06/2006 01:24:35 PM · #23
Originally posted by danderson107:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Is sight an illusion? Hearing? I can "hear" things, and they are as "real" to me as what you hear. Do our brains function by manufacturing illusions that simulate what we choose to call "reality" because our brains tell us it is so?


hearing = sound waves
sight = light
love = chemicals in the brain


Hearing is more than sound waves - its the tangible result of how your brain interprets them. Same for sight - blind people have no sight, that doesn't mean that for them the waves don't exist. There are many different fluctuations in fields/physics-ey stuff that can be measured around us, but only a few are turned into images by our brains.

So too love can never be just chemicals in our brain - sure they're there, and really influence our feelings of love/passion/lust whatever, but any human thought/decision/feeling can be put down to chemical signals.

Hmm....this hasn't led to an answer to the original question, just some food for thought
05/06/2006 01:32:25 PM · #24
Love is a thing, an action, a feeling, a brilliant sparkling light in sea of darkness.

if love is an illusion, then all is lost.

Love is not what you do when your pants are off. Love is how you live, how you show that others are important to you. Love is how you know when to give more than you feel like doing. Love is how you know what is rigth. Love is all, and without it, there is nothing of worth.

if love is an illusion, then all is naught.

it keeps you going, gives you wings, wraps you in comfort, relieves the pain, it shows you who you are and then shows you that who you are doesn't matter. all that matters is love. to give and to recieve. used in harmony, giving not to recieve, recieving not to give, freely and openly, without worry.

if love is an illusion, then I am lost.
05/06/2006 01:32:31 PM · #25
Originally posted by kirsty_mcn:


Hearing is more than sound waves - its the tangible result of how your brain interprets them.


Doesn't this lead back to the cliche' theoretical question; "if a tree falls in the woods and no one is there to hear, does it make a sound?"
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