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08/14/2003 06:40:30 PM · #26 |
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Message edited by author 2003-08-14 18:54:51. |
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08/14/2003 06:52:34 PM · #27 |
Not having had a chance to look at any of these photos yet, I must say how shocked I am at this discussion. There were pictures of unpleasant things in a desolation challenge? My my. Were there any of ostriches?
Ed
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08/14/2003 06:59:03 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by e301:
Not having had a chance to look at any of these photos yet, I must say how shocked I am at this discussion. There were pictures of unpleasant things in a desolation challenge? My my. Were there any of ostriches?
Ed |
Ed, why don't you give a look then.
Maybe we can discuss about it after that..
Otherwise, on what basis shall I reply you? White wine? =)
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08/14/2003 07:16:52 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by glimpses:
... what disturbs me, in some cases, is not the strength of the photo but the fact that the photographer may have used the pain of another being to achieve his final result. |
I think it is okay as long as one isn't contributing to the pain of another being. If a life could be saved by not taking the photo, that is a different story entirely. To me this challenge fits under the category photojournalism and we see far worse in our newspapers. |
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08/14/2003 07:28:31 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by glimpses:
I find a bit ridicolous to forbid full nude when there is a competition about nude and then make a display of the tragic death of some poor animal and her babies...
Sorry.. but I just do not see anything good in that. |
People...things die every day. Most of you eat dead animals for every meal and these animals live repressed lives and die horrid deaths, yet you buy the chopped, ground and filleted meat and eat it knowing full well where it came from. Quite ironic that a photo of, what I think, was a quick and hopfully painless death causes such an up roar in a community of humans that brutally "farm" for our "benifit".
Death is everywhere. Death is needed. Death is not inherently "evil" or "good", nor is documenting it. I don't mean to be crass, however, the photos of dead animals fit the challenge and show emotion, and IMO where good shots. Just because they may be hard to look at due to the emotion they conjure does not mean they should be voted low, quite the opposite, I say. Anyway, enough of my ranting.......
Message edited by author 2003-08-14 20:20:11. |
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08/14/2003 07:29:27 PM · #31 |
Yeah, I looked. No ostriches. Pity.
ed
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08/16/2003 10:18:43 AM · #32 |
There are very strict rules for these competition and, in my knowledge, none of them excludes death or sadness.
To refuse to rate particular photographs, or to lower the marks intentionally based on ethics and not techinque, is not fair on the photographer.
However, the social norm lets us know we are not to burp when we are at a around a christmas dinner table, which maybe like, the social norm of dpchallenge lets us know that there is a thin line that perhaps should not be crossed.
Also, the ethical discussion is just another topic.
Remeber, you can sit around a dinner table listening about war, deaths, car crashes. You cannot escape death and sadness.
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08/16/2003 10:38:14 AM · #33 |
However, I have just seen the fish picture and it is nothing special [eye socket and mouth out of focus, I mean is the main subject the fly or the fish?], . If it was an absolute work of art and made me feel 'desolation' then it deserves a place, but...
I mean, I couldnt decide if it was salt and peppered, or found dead on a beach.
Perhaps a different angle showing the desolated beach with the fish in the forground... *shrugs* I don't know...
Message edited by author 2003-08-16 10:40:07.
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08/16/2003 10:48:08 AM · #34 |
Originally posted by justesme:
...Remember, you can sit around a dinner table listening about war, deaths, car crashes... . |
Only if you have the TV on.
I am not a TV's fan. In the average I watch it very few times a year and mostly because of sport's events.
Our society is rather sick and one of its most evident sympthoms is the large scale use of bad news to attract attention.
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08/17/2003 03:33:25 AM · #35 |
I would personally love to say I do not watch tv, but I do. It's one of the nastiest habits and research showed that when a person watches tv, brain activity is close to zero.
Sick, yes perhaps. But they would not be broadcasting unless there is a demand for it. Perhaps it is the watchers who are sick. Afterall, tv programs have to follow very strict rules of censorship and not be able to show anything really really really sick...
But dont you want to know what is going on?
I would class the acts during the holocaust sick, but when I look at pictures of the thousands bodies being shoveled up by heavy machinery, it gives food for thought. A car accident on the news caused by stupidity make me want to be a more careful driver...
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08/17/2003 03:55:14 AM · #36 |
Apologies. I don't think. *rolls eyes*
Message edited by author 2003-08-17 08:43:34. |
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08/17/2003 06:36:24 AM · #37 |
It was not my intention to criticize any particular photo, especially because the competition is still going on.
If you carefully check my previous posts in this thread, you will notice that I did not mention any specific work.
I just wrote to invite photographers, who are evidently talented, to do not ignore their responsibilities or, even, hide their coscience behind the shield of Art.
Also, being a matter of fairness, I highlighted that there should be a rule, possibly clearly stated somewhere, inviting to discuss of specific photos only after a challenge is closed.
Regarding TV, I watched it very frequently when I was much younger.
What happened to me then, is that the more I got older, the less I recognized myself in the people showed in the TV programs. Following that, the detachment was not even a choice but a natural consequence.
Maybe one day you will have that same feeling.
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08/17/2003 06:50:10 AM · #38 |
Originally posted by glimpses:
Our society is rather sick and one of its most evident sympthoms is the large scale use of bad news to attract attention. |
Sensationalism is common everywhere. People speak like this in pubs and at work - and it tends to be the way in which people communicate most commonly as strangers, eg. "Wasn't that earthquake terrible?" or "I saw a terrible car crash the other day..." - people can instantly relate to and discuss them.
These are things that people can say to each other when they cannot (for whatever reason) communicate more deeply, which is why TV is saturated with lightweight programming. They don't know their audience intimately, so they appeal to everyone superficially. Sometimes, photography performs the same function, while at the same time projecting much more personal viewpoints on subject matter. In a challenge situation I think that people will vote more superficially than for a personal image, for the obvious reason that more people will not understand it.
I've forgotten why I said all this now.. ;)
Message edited by author 2003-08-17 06:51:17.
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08/17/2003 07:44:13 AM · #39 |
Originally posted by glimpses:
I find a bit ridicolous to forbid full nude when there is a competition about nude and then make a display of the tragic death of some poor animal and her babies.. |
What struck me as shocking and potentially problematic which no one here has so far discussed is ......
How do we know how these animals died? With all due respects to the posters of the controversial pix. My thought wasn't how far will these people go in what they Will submit more over how far will they go in OBTAINING the shot.
I would like to think the capture was come by pure serendipity and not that some poor creature lost it's life to stage a sad pic for this game.
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08/17/2003 09:04:48 AM · #40 |
In college, I had a Music professor ask "Does music have to be pleasing?"
Answer is no, art doesn't have to be beautiful or aesthetically pleasing. It's there to cause a reaction, or a connection, with deep seeded emotions. I wasn't an arts/music major, so I may have over simplified :)
Personally, I did not like looking at pictures of dead animals either. But, who are any of us to argue that a dead fish or a dead rat isn't a sign of the evironmental desolation humans have been causing on the earth? I'd say that fits the challenge.
As a side note, if there's a picture I do not wish to vote on - I usually just hit the arrow to the next photo. Eventually, the photo pops back up. Is there a way "skip" a photo where the random generator doesn't pop it back up later? |
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