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04/09/2006 07:21:58 PM · #1 |
I am uncertain if voters will not accept an image in "Candid" challenge if it is a little differant, or maybe out of the box type shot.....
I have done my research looking at "Candid l" and "Candid ll" and most images are candid shots of people. Would a candid image not containing a person but unacceptable, and would it be voted low. I have some examples of a couple of images in the previous "Candid" challenges...Here is one of them...
 I also found this one in the "Candid" gallery archives, as an example as well...  which is a great candid image.....
Please help and let me know what you think.....
Message edited by author 2006-04-09 19:22:55. |
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04/09/2006 07:35:24 PM · #2 |
| I was ignoring the candid challenge because I don't take many "people shots". Seeing your question, I read the description and it doesn't say it has to be a person/people. I will be watching this thread to see if any other opinions are posted. |
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04/09/2006 07:35:54 PM · #3 |
| I would have a hard time voting a candid w/o people very highly. But an outstanding photo would get a high vote from me, w/ or w/o people. |
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04/09/2006 07:45:38 PM · #4 |
| 20th place in Candid II was an animal shot. |
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04/09/2006 07:52:11 PM · #5 |
Like what Digital Quixote said, if the image is really good I think it'll do ok even if it's doesn't include a person. Actually who are we kidding? It's going to be a photo of a kid or an old person that wins this so you better shoot that. At DPC it seems to be about skin texture either really old or really young, more so than the candid scene. :)
Edited for clarity.
Message edited by author 2006-04-09 19:55:23.
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04/09/2006 08:08:22 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by chaimelle:
20th place in Candid II was an animal shot. |
I saw that, and tried to post the image here, but it wouldn't do it.....
I am still undecided, and would love to hear more views on this matter please.....
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04/09/2006 08:29:01 PM · #7 |
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04/09/2006 08:31:58 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by taterbug:
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The voting distribution on this photograph is all over the map except nobody gave it a 1.
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04/09/2006 08:42:05 PM · #9 |
IMO it must be alive to be a candid shot. So animals, people. Thats all fair game. But I imagine a animal photo may get voted lower because not all aggree with me.
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04/09/2006 08:46:57 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by sherpet:
I am uncertain if voters will not accept an image in "Candid" challenge if it is a little differant, or maybe out of the box type shot.....
I have done my research looking at "Candid l" and "Candid ll" and most images are candid shots of people. Would a candid image not containing a person but unacceptable, and would it be voted low. I have some examples of a couple of images in the previous "Candid" challenges...Here is one of them...
I also found this one in the "Candid" gallery archives, as an example as well... which is a great candid image.....
Please help and let me know what you think..... |
I think you are asking us to answer a question to which only the voters know the real answer. Going outside the box is always a risk. My own personal opinion is that an entry in Candid III that doesn't have a person, or people, in it had better be a truely exceptional image if you expect it to score well. I doubt that an average non-people shot will earn an average score.
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04/09/2006 08:52:42 PM · #11 |
Say "Candid!" to 100 photographers, then ask about the first thing that came to their mind (before they started analyzing and justifying), and I bet 99 answers will include people, not animals.
Animals are a much easier way out, and the photo would have to be very unusual and outstanding to really make me think "candid". |
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04/09/2006 08:59:15 PM · #12 |
To me, candids usually include people. I don't know if that's "right" or not, but that's the way it is in my thinking.
[Edited spelling]
Message edited by author 2006-04-09 20:59:37. |
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04/09/2006 08:59:54 PM · #13 |
"Candid" does not imply only people images. If so, it would have said so in the challenge description. Something like, "Take candids of people!"
I agree that a non-people image would have to be "special" and "compelling' to score well in this challenge. But, that's because most of the members here are urban dwellers, who live in very close proximity to the teeming masses. (Not that there's anything wrong with that!) |
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04/09/2006 09:03:09 PM · #14 |
I also was thinking about the possibility of shooting animals for "Candid", but believe that it would have to be REALLY cute & unusual to sway voters. Something like:
But, those shots don't come along very often... ;-) |
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04/10/2006 11:39:06 PM · #15 |
| I think the animal shots that do well in candids are because they're shots that allow us to anthropomorphise, hence the animals are substituting for people, rather than being viewed as merely animals. That coatimundi(?) shot is a perfect example, complete with title. |
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04/11/2006 12:23:36 AM · #16 |
This would probably work okay for a Candid since the dog is standing in for a parent or adult, taking care of the child type thing. Like BeeCee said, when the animals are acting or looking like humans, it will probably do much better. But if it's just a shot of an animal, it will probably get nailed.
Deandna
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04/11/2006 04:29:34 AM · #17 |
| One definite given here on DPC is that if you have to depend on the title to tie in the photo to the challenge, you score is doomed. Often when people say "outside the box", the result is that there is not a clear, visual relationship between the photo and the challenge topic. Just something to think about before submitting a photo... |
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04/11/2006 07:58:41 AM · #18 |
To get a good score, a good candid should either include one or more humans, or include an animal with some sort of reference to a human-like behavior. Like a monkey kicked back relaxing against a tree staring off into space...something along those lines. A dog going to the bathroom just isn't going to cut it -- unless he's sitting on a toilet with a newspaper or something.
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04/11/2006 10:02:16 AM · #19 |
jmo I think Candid can be a time and a feeling trying to express yourself and the moment here is one quote
"Candid photography is snapshot photography that focuses on spontaneity rather than technique, on perfecting the immersion of a camera within events rather than focusing on setting up a staged situation, focusing on lengthy camera setup, or focusing on particularly strong lenses"
I think ???? |
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04/12/2006 11:11:16 AM · #20 |
| candid in itself is too easy to fake. just look away from the camera and boom it's a candid. there are four shots on the front page right now that would win for candid, even though they are set-up shots. my point is that many of these challenges can and do get faked sometimes, and the photographers that fake a challenge with what ever means that may be just to score well are living a lie and not learning from this at all. i know i had a hard time with this challenge, but went out of my way to make sure it was a true candid. |
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04/12/2006 11:17:15 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by deepfrog17:
candid in itself is too easy to fake. just look away from the camera and boom it's a candid. there are four shots on the front page right now that would win for candid, even though they are set-up shots. my point is that many of these challenges can and do get faked sometimes, and the photographers that fake a challenge with what ever means that may be just to score well are living a lie and not learning from this at all. i know i had a hard time with this challenge, but went out of my way to make sure it was a true candid. |
I did too, I could have just set my kids up or a visit friend of my kids but I went outside my comfort zone big time and went for the true candid. I asked them afterwards if I could use the pictures and they agreed but it was very hard for me to get the shots I did. I felt like I had a huge spotlight on me at the time.
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04/12/2006 11:22:29 AM · #22 |
Originally posted by deepfrog17:
candid in itself is too easy to fake. just look away from the camera and boom it's a candid. there are four shots on the front page right now that would win for candid, even though they are set-up shots. my point is that many of these challenges can and do get faked sometimes, and the photographers that fake a challenge with what ever means that may be just to score well are living a lie and not learning from this at all. i know i had a hard time with this challenge, but went out of my way to make sure it was a true candid. |
I was figuring the same thing, and now that voting has begun, I'm fairly certain that I'm correct. I've even seen at least one photo that I believe has been submitted for another challenge. (Hence: Outside of the challenge dates)
It's easy to make something look candid. There are a lot of very good "candid" photos that are set-up. That's the major problem I see with challenges like this. |
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04/12/2006 11:24:21 AM · #23 |
Originally posted by aznatural:
jmo I think Candid can be a time and a feeling trying to express yourself and the moment here is one quote
"Candid photography is snapshot photography that focuses on spontaneity rather than technique, on perfecting the immersion of a camera within events rather than focusing on setting up a staged situation, focusing on lengthy camera setup, or focusing on particularly strong lenses"
I think ???? |
I believe the same...however, voting is so geared around technniques that the actual "effect" of the stated challenge falls by the wayside. This challenge shouldn't be, (IMHO) about anything BUT the capture, the click-of-the-camera, the the instant moment that you place in a stillness, whether it is cropped right or dodged and burned. To me,candid is just what it is....CANDID!!!
Message edited by author 2006-04-12 11:25:07.
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04/12/2006 11:28:20 AM · #24 |
Originally posted by dolphnz8:
Originally posted by aznatural:
jmo I think Candid can be a time and a feeling trying to express yourself and the moment here is one quote
"Candid photography is snapshot photography that focuses on spontaneity rather than technique, on perfecting the immersion of a camera within events rather than focusing on setting up a staged situation, focusing on lengthy camera setup, or focusing on particularly strong lenses"
I think ???? |
I believe the same...however, voting is so geared around technniques that the actual "effect" of the stated challenge falls by the wayside. This challenge shouldn't be, (IMHO) about anything BUT the capture, the click-of-the-camera, the the instant moment that you place in a stillness, whether it is cropped right or dodged and burned. To me,candid is just what it is....CANDID!!! |
Yes, but then take that candid shot and use the tools available to you to make it really TALK to the viewer. Just my opinion, looking through the shots so far a lot of people put up a "straight from the camera" shot and are now paying for it. Some of these shots would have scored much higher with me if they were worked with just a touch in PS or whatever program you use. A slight levels or curves adjustment can add to your score a great deal. I'm not saying post process the heck out of the shot but at least try to make it talk to the person on the other side of the screen more with light, color, tones.............
Deannda |
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04/12/2006 11:37:15 AM · #25 |
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Yes, but then take that candid shot and use the tools available to you to make it really TALK to the viewer. Just my opinion, looking through the shots so far a lot of people put up a "straight from the camera" shot and are now paying for it. Some of these shots would have scored much higher with me if they were worked with just a touch in PS or whatever program you use. A slight levels or curves adjustment can add to your score a great deal. I'm not saying post process the heck out of the shot but at least try to make it talk to the person on the other side of the screen more with light, color, tones.............
Deannda [/quote]
Point well taken...I did use my tools to better my photo, however, I feel that there are people on the site who have a different understanding of the word "candid". I asked my Mom what she thought "candid" meant, and she said..."something just as it is, no posing". I'm not as good as you yet...LOL, so I am still learning to draw the line between what "I" see and what everybody else on the other side of the screen sees!
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