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03/17/2006 08:27:59 AM · #76
Originally posted by pitsaman:

Here is 640 sample :
' . substr('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/6405/thumb/307657.jpg', strrpos('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/6405/thumb/307657.jpg', '/') + 1) . '

and 800 x 800 sample:
' . substr('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/6405/thumb/307658.jpg', strrpos('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/6405/thumb/307658.jpg', '/') + 1) . '

As you see ,let's tick with 640X640 ! :-)


WTF?????? :)
03/17/2006 08:33:41 AM · #77
I'd like to hear the reason behind the suggestion of 800 x 640 or any other suggestion where the dimension restrictions are different (just for taterbug)

Other than --- it will fit on the screen better

btw: I voted for 700 x 700

Message edited by author 2006-03-17 08:41:33.
03/17/2006 08:35:03 AM · #78
how 'bout 714 x 693 ?

Message edited by author 2006-03-17 08:35:36.
03/17/2006 08:39:10 AM · #79
800 height means I have to scroll to see the whole picture. That ruins the experience for me. I would have to stop participating in the site.
03/17/2006 08:39:35 AM · #80
Originally posted by pitsaman:

Here is 640 sample :
' . substr('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/6405/thumb/307657.jpg', strrpos('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/6405/thumb/307657.jpg', '/') + 1) . '

and 800 x 800 sample:
' . substr('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/6405/thumb/307658.jpg', strrpos('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/6405/thumb/307658.jpg', '/') + 1) . '

As you see ,let's tick with 640X640 ! :-)


ROFLMAO TOO FUNNY...(somebody might get killed for posting that image.)

Message edited by author 2006-03-17 08:40:46.
03/17/2006 08:41:01 AM · #81
700 is good for me
03/17/2006 08:52:23 AM · #82
I say go to 800x800 and have the nice people that are the site council throw in a new 21" monitor to each member for free! ;)
03/17/2006 09:04:23 AM · #83
First, I want to say thanks Langdon for putting a poll out there to get feedback from your users and for sharing the results with us.

Second, I can't believe I've read this entire thread - it's starting to sound like the first one.

Originally posted by langdon:

Follow up: Please read this thread if you don't know what this is all about and to check out proposed arguments.

03/17/2006 09:05:17 AM · #84
Originally posted by nards656:



I'm not langdon,



Shew, that's good to hear. I was getting worried there for a minute.

heheheheheh

Seriously, though I can see the entire image without scrolling her at home, at work (where I don't have the liberty of setting such options), I would have to scroll alot. I have to scroll on some of them to see now. It is a royal pain.

My next concern would be how many "let's increase file size" arguments would we get with an increased picture size, and the ramifications of that action.

vonautsch, I wish.
03/17/2006 09:06:54 AM · #85
I think the way we have it now is fine. It allows me to view the entire photo without scrolling. I voted to keep it the same.

Travis
03/17/2006 09:19:36 AM · #86
I voted for the 700 x 700, but now that I see how much difference it makes, I should have voted to keep it the same. The way we have it now is fine.
03/17/2006 09:29:02 AM · #87
I'm sitting in a hotel room on a laptop with a 1024x768 screen. Viewing Langdon's test image, I do have to scroll A LOT. No surprise there. If I go to full screen mode, however, I only have to scroll a very small amount. The key is full use of the vertical real estate. Right now, during voting the DPC menu takes up a huge chunk of the vertical space, and the voting page is always displayed top-registered, so scrolling is inevitable. The voting bar is at the bottom, which means additional scrolling to vote, and the bar moves on the page as image size varies.
What we need if we are to go to a larger size but manitain maximum usability is to reformat the voting screen to meet the following goals:
- Maximize free vertical real estate for image display; DPC menu, voting bar and gray stripe should move
- Page load should place top of image at top of screen
- Position of voting bar should be fixed so that voters don't have to chase it around the screen as image size changes
Spawning a new window for display of the image (while retaining voting control in a separate, smaller window) would provide the absolute maximum in viewing space, but there are logistics problems with that approach. I personally believe there is a solution that will allow the preferred larger size and have minimal impact on those on 1024x768 scdreens. I know that personally I feel a reformatted voting screen with 800x800 images would be more convenient (less scrolling, less voting-bar-chasing) than at present when on 1024x768.

Edit:
Viewing the 720x720 version in full screen mode, I can see the whole pic plus the the title, just barely.
Edit:
Another thought; if the voting screen "listened" for keyboard input, chasing the voting bar wouldn't be necessary, we could just hit the numeric key... hopefully our keyboards don't move around ;-)

Message edited by author 2006-03-17 09:38:14.
03/17/2006 09:32:18 AM · #88
Originally posted by awpollard:

We are back to scrolling, even with a wheel mouse a challenge with > 300 entries will be fun. I bet there are a few here who wouldn't scroll to see the whole shot.


The voting bar only exists below the image, so everyone would have to scroll.

Originally posted by David.C:

Langdon, you say users -- was the poll open to all users or just members?


It was for members only... I suppose the results page should mention that.

Originally posted by southern_exposure:

langdon can you post a photo 800x640 and see what people think.


I can and did (see first post), but I dont think a largely differing width/height would be fair portrait-style shots.

Originally posted by agenkin:

IMPORTANT: File size is not changing! Well, apparently it isn't.

...

At first I voted for 800x800, but then, after a discussion with SC (which revealed that the file size is not up for discussion), I changed my vote to 640x640.


I think you're misunderstanding. The file size issue is not up for discussion does not mean that it won't change. When we come to a decision on any dimension change, we will assess if a file size change is needed. It makes perfect sense that if we're increasing the dimensions by 20%, we would also increase the file size by 20%.

Originally posted by bluenova:

What were your views on the comments suggesting to use imagemagick to create 2 sizes and have a profile option as to which one to view?


imagemagick is awesome, but it really doesn't do reds and oranges justice. I also think having 2 sizes wouldn't work, because everyone wouldn't be voting on the same image, really.

~

It sounds like a trial might be necessary. I think we'll have to come up with an appropriate number based the screen size results (biggest increase, but supporting the most number of users).
03/17/2006 09:32:32 AM · #89
Some of the posters to this thread are ignoring the fact that a very significant portion of our users voted for "no change". Their ranks have been joined by a few more after seeing the 800 pixel sample. And some posters are scorning the "no change" voters saying that change is inevitable, or always good. I think that "no change" is a valid position to take and that those of us who voted that way deserve respect, not scorn.

Personally, I would not mind seeing width allowed to expand to 800 as long as height is kept at 640. Along with this a modest increase in file size (175kb) might be nice but I don't feel it is a necessity. Their may be certain challenges where the 800 width limit should be superceded by a special rule - think Portraits and Self Portraits.

I think there are some options that continue to be thrown out in this discussion that need to be put to sleep.

-- I post some shots on another website that shows them in two sizes as well as a thumbnail so I have first hand knowledge of how this can change the appearance of your shots. As a photographer entering internet competitions, I want all those who judge my work to be looking at the same resolution image as the one I had in mind when I edited my original file to suit the conditions of the competition. Please end the discussion of any sort of auto-resizing, it's just not realistic in any forum where you are claiming that the change would allow your shots to look better to viewers.

-- As a photographer posting images on the internet my aim is, almost always, to get as many people as possible to look at them. Therfore I want to make it easy for them to see my images in there entirity. Options which call for an increase in the number of viewers who have to scroll, or to switch to F11, are going to cost us views on our shots. They should be discarded as unrealistic and counterproductive.

-- As a photographer who posts images on the internet in the hope that someone will buy them, I am concerned about those who would take them for free. I'm not thinking about large prints so much as wallpapers, screensavers, webpage backgrounds, and just as web site illustrations. I don't want to make my shots more appealing to the image theives.

-- As a member of dpc I wish that those who seem so consumately bent on promoting a change in size would acknowledge that larger is not always better. Camera makers seem to have found a reasonable plateau in their megapixel war. The sample of monitor resolutions in the recent poll is an accurate representation of what we, the members of a community based around photography, use; but it is not a good cross section of internet users as a whole. They would be considerably behind us in monitor resolution.

I want to thank Langdon, and Drew and the SC, for listening to the needs and desires of this community.

As always, just my two cents.
03/17/2006 09:32:43 AM · #90
Nice kirbic, I was thinking before that I'd like to see the voting/comments on the right side rather than the bottom. But maybe a redesign of the voting page will help the issue.

Message edited by author 2006-03-17 09:35:55.
03/17/2006 09:37:55 AM · #91
A lot of people keep mentioning F11. A few comments on that:
-We shouldn't have to put our computers into a special mode to view this site.
-I would bet there's a whole bunch of people out there who wouldn't even be able to find the F11 button, even though it's labled.
-Do all all browsers and operating systems support this? It works here on my PC in Firefox and IE, but I've never tried it on my laptop (Linux). Will it work on there? Will it work on a Mac in Netscape or some other less common browser?
03/17/2006 09:39:28 AM · #92
Originally posted by kearock:

A lot of people keep mentioning F11. A few comments on that:
-We shouldn't have to put our computers into a special mode to view this site.
-I would bet there's a whole bunch of people out there who wouldn't even be able to find the F11 button, even though it's labled.
-Do all all browsers and operating systems support this? It works here on my PC in Firefox and IE, but I've never tried it on my laptop (Linux). Will it work on there? Will it work on a Mac in Netscape or some other less common browser?
Yea It works on Firefox in Linux (home system) never tried any other broswers. But I agree, we shouldn't have to do it.
03/17/2006 09:40:52 AM · #93
what about like on smugmug, where under the image you have an option to see it at a bigger size, has this been brought up at all.
03/17/2006 09:42:23 AM · #94
Originally posted by kearock:

A lot of people keep mentioning F11. A few comments on that:
-We shouldn't have to put our computers into a special mode to view this site.
-I would bet there's a whole bunch of people out there who wouldn't even be able to find the F11 button, even though it's labled.
-Do all all browsers and operating systems support this? It works here on my PC in Firefox and IE, but I've never tried it on my laptop (Linux). Will it work on there? Will it work on a Mac in Netscape or some other less common browser?


F11 is a work-around, and is certainly not the end solution, for the reasons you point out. What we need to do is consider how the display, by default, can use the maximum available real estate.
03/17/2006 09:43:42 AM · #95
Sorry, can't resist the temptation. ;^)

IMO, any scrolling to vote doesn't work. The impact of an image, especially the initial impact, is lost. The "Rule of Thirds", "Golden Ratio", "Leading Lines", etc... all require the user to view the image in one piece to maximize impact. Otherwise, it doesn't work. It would be like going to a museum or art show and having to push a button to see the remaining portion of the work of art.

Maintain dimensions to work for the majority of users without scrolling, and keep the dimensions square. It's not fair to give only those who shoot in landscape mode more screen real-estate.
03/17/2006 09:47:57 AM · #96
Originally posted by langdon:

It makes perfect sense that if we're increasing the dimensions by 20%, we would also increase the file size by 20%.


Going from 600x600 to 800x800 increases each dimension by 33%. It increases the size of the image by 78%.
03/17/2006 09:56:37 AM · #97
I have to scroll to see 640 (or use F11). I don't like doing either one, but it is not fair to vote on an image when you can't see it in its entirity. Any more than 640 and I will have to scroll even using F11. A definite disadvantage to any shot in portrait position. I didn't vote because I was not sure exactly what differences there would be. I would now vote for no change (I did participate in the monitor study).
03/17/2006 09:59:56 AM · #98
640 or 700 is good by me, for viewing and download purposes. 800 is not convenient. Viewing 200 plus or minus photos to vote on with them all being 800 would limit my participation in voting. I have a fast DSL connection and a large LCD screen. But 800 larger than 700 is too time consuming. Perhaps try one challenge at 700 and see what it does to the server(s) and how members perceive the difference - whether it is worth changing.
03/17/2006 10:12:42 AM · #99
Something that might be interesting to look at might be a Flash based voting page. It could scale to fit the screen real estate.
03/17/2006 10:14:28 AM · #100
Originally posted by pineapple:

640 or 700 is good by me, for viewing and download purposes. 800 is not convenient. Viewing 200 plus or minus photos to vote on with them all being 800 would limit my participation in voting. I have a fast DSL connection and a large LCD screen. But 800 larger than 700 is too time consuming. Perhaps try one challenge at 700 and see what it does to the server(s) and how members perceive the difference - whether it is worth changing.


If the file size stays at 150k then it will have no effect on the servers or DL time.
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