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04/22/2002 07:30:06 AM · #1 |
I've only gone through 30 of them so far, but I'm finding a lot of the photographs are only a transition by their title, and some not at all -- and I'm voting on them as such.
******* ****, and ****** ****** are two I've ran across which hold their own without a Title. I consider those to be the best of the 30 I've seen so far.
* This message has been edited by the author on 4/22/2002 9:26:16 AM.
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04/22/2002 08:10:10 AM · #2 |
Okay, so I've been through 40 now and there are a more than just 2 notable photographs. :)
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04/22/2002 08:15:54 AM · #3 |
I think this is going to be a very subjective round of voting - one of the ones you mentioned I didn't feel was a transition at all. Not saying it is a bad picture, or that it shouldn't be allowed in, I just personally didn't see much of a transition in it.
I know for my shot (which I know is obvious which one it is - but it is a very personal subject) that I've had some comments that say 'there is no transition in this shot'. I'm not saying I'm right or the commentor is right or wrong. They just don't see anything about a transition in that picture, whereas to me it represents about the biggest change i've ever gone through in my life ;)
It'll be interesting to see how people evaluate what is and isn't a transition.
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04/22/2002 08:27:33 AM · #4 |
I thought the definition of transition was quite broad. I felt that I had met the definition, even queeried the internet to find similar subject matter that mentioned the word transition with good results. Still, I also got one comment that there is no evidence of transition in my entry.
Should the definition be posted along with the challenge? In some cases that would work, but probably not the latest one!
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04/22/2002 08:28:43 AM · #5 |
The challenge was to show "your impression" of a transition. That is the very reason I would never dream of giving a 1 or 2 vote in this challenge or recommending for disqualification. I saw a few that do not say transition to me but if I had an explanation by the photographer, then I could probably understand the impression. I think that if you wanted us to be more specific then you should have worded the challenge differently.
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04/22/2002 08:34:40 AM · #6 |
I'm having trouble judging the entries as well ... I can't see 'transition' in some of the entries even with the title to help. I understood Gordon's straight away, but others may take a little longer to sink in
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04/22/2002 08:36:10 AM · #7 |
I was hoping once you saw a few more langdon that you would see better results:)
I do agree there are several that give me no idea what the transition is or even was.
I hope this week doesn't turn into another last week of knowing who owns what photo as they defend them. I understand how they felt, I just don't want to know who owns what this week until the winners are posted:) |
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04/22/2002 08:39:25 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by itsaghostcar:
I can't see 'transition' in some of the entries even with the title to help.
Exactly my point. I'm going on what I feel as a viewer. A feel the winning photograph should clearly portray what a transition is. I think a transition should show the contrast of the before and after. Not just the before (like a bloomed flower itself) and not just the after (a wilted one).
As for giving 1s and 2s, if I don't understand it even with the title, then I feel that the photographer didn't do his/her job portraying a transition.
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04/22/2002 08:49:06 AM · #9 |
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04/22/2002 08:51:43 AM · #10 |
Well I thought I was going nuts when I looked over the shots. Thanks for mentioning this guys.
Here I didnt submit a shot because I didnt get anything that that I forsaw as a transition. I see others had problems with this one as well.
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04/22/2002 08:52:00 AM · #11 |
| Overall I was fairly disappointed this week. I know how challenging this theme was, and that shows in the submissions. |
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04/22/2002 08:52:05 AM · #12 |
| I agree as well, I still feel we all need to keep an open mind and take more time on a photo we don't understand. Put ourselves in their shoes. |
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04/22/2002 09:03:41 AM · #13 |
| Obviously, each photographer thought his/her photo met the requirements. The photos were supposed to be taken under "interpretation". Thank goodness the next challenge won't be quite as subjective. |
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04/22/2002 09:10:31 AM · #14 |
| I can't believe people are already talking about individual photos. we've been trying to eliminate bias, good or bad, and this just hurts the whole system. |
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04/22/2002 09:15:51 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by achiral:
I can't believe people are already talking about individual photos. we've been trying to eliminate bias, good or bad, and this just hurts the whole system.
Well, that depends on whether people read the forums before voting/commenting or not, but I suspect that the majority do... Mind you, that's one of the purposes of this forum!
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04/22/2002 09:21:43 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by langdon:
[iI think a transition should show the contrast of the before and after. Not just the before (like a bloomed flower itself) and not just the after (a wilted one).[/i]
I completely disagree. A transition is by definition a middle state. If you want to beat me over the head with your transition and show me the before and after, that's fine -- but I certainly don't expect it.
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04/22/2002 09:23:15 AM · #17 |
Although I don't recognize transition in all pictures at first, after looking at them for a longer time, I try to understand what transition the photographer probably had in mind. Somehow, even if it isn't always that obvious to me, I can then see some kind of transition in almost all the pictures.
There's one picture that's really puzzling me though, I guess I'll have to look a little longer :)
Anyhow, my point is that I look at all pictures with an open mind and rate them accordingly. |
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04/22/2002 09:23:36 AM · #18 |
Originally posted by achiral:
I can't believe people are already talking about individual photos. we've been trying to eliminate bias, good or bad, and this just hurts the whole system.
Saying that I enjoyed two photographs won't spark anyone elses interests in them. I didn't claim to take them or talk about any specifics of them. I don't feel that my statements create any bias.
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04/22/2002 09:35:44 AM · #19 |
I went into this thinking there would be a very wide range of interpretations of what a transition is and how to shoot it. Personally, I will be giving the photographer a lot of the benefit of the doubt, and judging the photos very much on how much I like the image itself. Who am I to say their vision of a transition sucks? Certainly, if I don't get any sense of a transitional concept behind the picture, that will hurt my rating a bit. But I'll just be really open-minded when evaluating the relationship to the challenge topic.
Besides, I prefer viewing the challenge topics as a springboard to interesting and creative photos, rather than a rigidly defined box into which an image must be stuffed.
That said, there are some very intriguing photos this time.
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04/22/2002 09:37:19 AM · #20 |
| No one is pointing out specifics. This is just another debate going on here. If we started describing certain photos then that might be a different story. |
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04/22/2002 09:40:10 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by Moondoggie:
I went into this thinking there would be a very wide range of interpretations of what a transition is and how to shoot it. Personally, I will be giving the photographer a lot of the benefit of the doubt, and judging the photos very much on how much I like the image itself. Who am I to say their vision of a transition sucks? Certainly, if I don't get any sense of a transitional concept behind the picture, that will hurt my rating a bit. But I'll just be really open-minded when evaluating the relationship to the challenge topic.
Besides, I prefer viewing the challenge topics as a springboard to interesting and creative photos, rather than a rigidly defined box into which an image must be stuffed.
That said, there are some very intriguing photos this time.
Moondoggie, I agree with every statement you have made. |
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04/22/2002 09:40:30 AM · #22 |
Originally posted by langdon:
Originally posted by achiral:
[i]I can't believe people are already talking about individual photos. we've been trying to eliminate bias, good or bad, and this just hurts the whole system.
Saying that I enjoyed two photographs won't spark anyone elses interests in them. I didn't claim to take them or talk about any specifics of them. I don't feel that my statements create any bias.
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Langdon, being in a position of authority/responsibility on this site, I think your words carry some weight. Further, I don't think you can assert what it is that will "spark anyone elses interests. How can you predict the impact your words might have on any/all of the hundreds of members of this site? I respectfully suggest that your comments ran counter to the site's move toward anonymity and bias reduction.
sjgleah
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04/22/2002 09:46:44 AM · #23 |
Originally posted by Moondoggie:
Besides, I prefer viewing the challenge topics as a springboard to interesting and creative photos, rather than a rigidly defined box into which an image must be stuffed.
I could not agree more! I know that its contrary to the way most people vote, but I give more weight to the actual photograph rather than how I see it meeting the challenge....afterall, what do I know about what the photographer was thinking.
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04/22/2002 10:04:05 AM · #24 |
| I thought these challenges were supposed to be about showing off our skills as photographers, not our ability to interpret a word. As long as a photo is not obviously off topic, vote as such. |
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04/22/2002 10:11:23 AM · #25 |
Originally posted by GordonMcGregor:
I know for my shot (which I know is obvious which one it is - but it is a very personal subject) that I've had some comments that say 'there is no transition in this shot'. I'm not saying I'm right or the commentor is right or wrong. They just don't see anything about a transition in that picture, whereas to me it represents about the biggest change i've ever gone through in my life ;)
It'll be interesting to see how people evaluate what is and isn't a transition.
I'll tell you one thing, Gordon.. If someone doesn't see the transition in your shot, then by god, they've obviously never gotten married!
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