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07/31/2003 12:27:28 AM · #26 |
| Anyone know how this "anti-idiot-vote software" works? |
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07/31/2003 12:56:08 AM · #27 |
Closely guarded secret (for obvious reasons), but it lets them figure out where the phoney votes came from and sends a cruise missle to the idiot's house... At least that's my understanding :)
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07/31/2003 01:57:55 AM · #28 |
I'm thinking that the total number of entries in a challenge contributes to the high or low scoring. I have entered 3 challenges so far but there seems to be a trend appearing (for mine anyway) in that the more entries in the challenge, the lower the score. Maybe this is because people have to review so many pics that they lose interest and just start clicking numbers to get it over with, instead of taking the time to really look and mark accordingly.
Just my two cents worth - But i am at a current all time low by almost a full point at present! :(
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07/31/2003 02:32:46 AM · #29 |
Originally posted by Jaxson:
Anyone know how this "anti-idiot-vote software" works? |
A special sensor on all computers alerts DPC software when idiots vote. Then it alters the score accordingly. I thought everybody knew this.
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07/31/2003 03:09:24 AM · #30 |
The biggest problem with voting is being able to see your own score.. If you are very happy with your entry it is human nature to compare the pictures you're voting on to the score you have.. This can only drive scores down..
For instance... I'm on a 5, I open a picture and think that's quite nice.. but mine's slightly better.. 4.. Where as blind I may have given 6 say..
How about not seeing your own score until either the competition is over OR you've finalised your own voting and cannot change them? Commenting of course would still be allowed..
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07/31/2003 03:23:49 AM · #31 |
pretty obvious observation in human nature actually. was alpine99 said is very true from where I stand. Its pretty hard to be objective at the best of times let alone when your own score is suffering. Im giving plenty of 5's out to photos i dont think are nearly as good as mine from my opinion and I am only just above 5 myself.
But then 5 is a pretty good score out of 7. |
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07/31/2003 03:29:42 AM · #32 |
Originally posted by dsidwell:
Originally posted by Jaxson:
Anyone know how this "anti-idiot-vote software" works? |
A special sensor on all computers alerts DPC software when idiots vote. Then it alters the score accordingly. I thought everybody knew this. |
LOL. when I mentioned anti-idiot-vote I actually meant when the same voter votes all votes the same, ie all 1's. I've read in a few other threads that this is why scores jump up at the end of the voting because these types of votes get eliminated. Wasn't too sure if it's true or not (whether it be by the administrators or software that checks a voters voting pattern).....actually I still don't know. Maybe I should open a new thread!!
Forgive me I am new on here but I didn't think asking about software than can simply eliminate a particular voting pattern was that far fetched. After all this is the year 2003.
Message edited by author 2003-07-31 03:43:15. |
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07/31/2003 03:58:34 AM · #33 |
Originally posted by Alpine99:
The biggest problem with voting is being able to see your own score.. If you are very happy with your entry it is human nature to compare the pictures you're voting on to the score you have.. This can only drive scores down..
For instance... I'm on a 5, I open a picture and think that's quite nice.. but mine's slightly better.. 4.. Where as blind I may have given 6 say..
How about not seeing your own score until either the competition is over OR you've finalised your own voting and cannot change them? Commenting of course would still be allowed.. |
This is surely a the perfect solution, it's just an unpopular one because people are addicted to the update stats button! It's absolutely true- this is how people behave.
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07/31/2003 04:20:07 AM · #34 |
I have proof.. sort of..
Just had a look through 20 or so photographers profiles at random.. In the vast majority of cases the average vote given is less than the average vote received.. I think this shows a trend to score less than you are being scored..
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07/31/2003 04:25:03 AM · #35 |
If I do find myself voting relative to my own shot then I try to use the score I would give my entry as a base, rather than the actual score which is always at least 2 points lower : )
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07/31/2003 04:25:13 AM · #36 |
Originally posted by Jon Lucas:
This is surely a the perfect solution, it's just an unpopular one because people are addicted to the update stats button! It's absolutely true- this is how people behave. |
Being a newbie here myself, I'm not entirely sure about how this works, BUT....
I read in a forum last month something about how the refresh button helps with site statistics and then revenue for the site. Maybe one of the oldies (in terms of time here, that is) can explain. |
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07/31/2003 04:32:37 AM · #37 |
The refresh button must drive clicks up.. but as I can see no advertising I'm not sure how this helps revenues..
Removing this feature until all your votes are in will only encourage people to vote sooner in the week.. I anticipate that you will still use the button once you have voted.
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07/31/2003 04:42:48 AM · #38 |
Originally posted by bod:
If I do find myself voting relative to my own shot then I try to use the score I would give my entry as a base, rather than the actual score which is always at least 2 points lower : ) |
Me too.
Andrew, I just checked the least scoring entrants in four of the latest challenges and the avg cast/received trend is reversed - which probably means the perceived standards are different depending on ability and experience.
Message edited by author 2003-07-31 04:52:19.
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07/31/2003 04:55:14 AM · #39 |
Jon, I looked a little further.. The lower levels vote higher, bigger difference in scores.. The higher levels vote lower.. I think this is fair enough really.. It's people in the middle ground.. er.. like me..
I still maintain that not seeing votes until after all yours had filed would be a good idea..
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07/31/2003 05:13:03 AM · #40 |
Originally posted by Alpine99:
Jon, I looked a little further.. The lower levels vote higher, bigger difference in scores.. The higher levels vote lower.. I think this is fair enough really.. It's people in the middle ground.. er.. like me..
I still maintain that not seeing votes until after all yours had filed would be a good idea.. |
I don't disagree with you, I've not seen any good argument to the contrary - apart from that problem of being enticed to 'conclude voting' just to see your score. That would stop people voting on more, or all of the images in the challenge.
Truly, the only fair (but dull!) way to do it would be to hide votes until the challenge finished.
Message edited by author 2003-07-31 05:14:11.
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07/31/2003 05:37:02 AM · #41 |
You can, of course, turn off the visibility of the score update in your preferences: though that requires more will power than I have.
Ed
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07/31/2003 10:00:36 AM · #42 |
e301... ARE YOU CRAZY!!!!! ;)
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07/31/2003 10:28:48 AM · #43 |
| I think if people couldn't see their scores until they had voted on the required number of photos, too many would rush through the voting to see their scores rather than taking time to really look at them. Possibly less comments too. |
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07/31/2003 11:05:51 AM · #44 |
I think you'd also have to understand that if you were rushing through then others would be treating your photo in the same way..
Personally I go through voting fairly quickly anyway.. I am firmly of the belief that I can spot a good or a bad photo in 10 seconds. The rest are matters of degree.. I then review all my votes at the end to ensure consistency and I try and comment on all the low scores...
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07/31/2003 11:45:52 AM · #45 |
I agree that we should not see our scores.... However in this challenge, I knew that there were going to be a lot of repeats, so I set standards for myself, before I began.
Luckily, I think I can admit when others are better, because a good percentage of my votes were 5 or above and I was riding at a 5. However I have to admit... if it wasn't an original idea, or was questionable on the IN THE GARDEN theme, it didn't make it above a 5
Message edited by author 2003-07-31 11:56:03. |
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07/31/2003 11:57:44 AM · #46 |
| Hmmm... I wonder if there really is an anti-idiot software, considering that no one has seriously responded to the original question. If there's one, I pressume that the software is able to detect outlyers in the point-distribution profile for each entry. Outlyers can then be removed before scores are finalized. |
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07/31/2003 11:59:36 AM · #47 |
Originally posted by chalcone:
Hmmm... I wonder if there really is an anti-idiot software |
There is, but nobody is going to give you details - because nobody knows!! The 'formula' is a closely guarded secret.
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07/31/2003 12:02:38 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by PSUBecker:
I agree that we should not see our scores.... However in this challenge, I knew that there were going to be a lot of repeats, so I set standards for myself, before I began.
Luckily, I think I can admit when others are better, because a good percentage of my votes were 5 or above and I was riding at a 5. However I have to admit... if it wasn't an original idea, or was questionable on the IN THE GARDEN theme, it didn't make it above a 5 |
Good. Thanks for my 10 in advance!! ;)
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07/31/2003 12:13:12 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by Jon Lucas:
Originally posted by PSUBecker:
I agree that we should not see our scores.... However in this challenge, I knew that there were going to be a lot of repeats, so I set standards for myself, before I began.
Luckily, I think I can admit when others are better, because a good percentage of my votes were 5 or above and I was riding at a 5. However I have to admit... if it wasn't an original idea, or was questionable on the IN THE GARDEN theme, it didn't make it above a 5 |
Good. Thanks for my 10 in advance!! ;) |
Actually, it's more like, let me apologize in advance... I was pretty strict with voting this time... if it met the challenge and was a creative idea, it got a 6.. More originality and better photo quality raised the score from there... but I have to admit, if the picture is JUST a plant, or is an insect, ON a plant..... it didn't make it above a 5. The reason for this is... anyone can take a macro shot of something..... bug, flower, whatever..... its when the imagination and creativity kick in, thats when I am impressed.
Message edited by author 2003-07-31 12:14:08. |
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07/31/2003 12:22:46 PM · #50 |
Michele, I take your point on originality and to an extent agree on the macro shots.. everyone can take one.. BUT to take a really good one usually takes a deal of skill and incredible patience.. I've marked the best macro shots very high as I thought they were superb and well within the challenge.. I like your take on Eve but would have thought your own macro shot would have shown you this?
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