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Canon EF 35mm f/2 IS USM

02/28/2006 11:37:39 AM · #27

ok ... re-did it:

1st 25: 5.9066 and 3 ribbons

2nd 25: 5.9051 and 1 ribbon

3rd 25: 6.1190 and 1 ribbon

(i'll gladly trade the score for ribbons :)

elsapo

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

Canon EF 50mm f1.2L

02/28/2006 11:53:45 AM · #28

My First 25 Challenges
Avg score: 5.4910
Ribbons: 0

My last 25 Challenges
Avg score: 6.5068
Ribbons: 6

alfresco

Nikon D700

02/28/2006 11:57:06 AM · #29

First 4:
Avg Score: 5.9060
Avg Place: 47
Avg Percentile: 84%
Ribbons: Nope
Top 10: Nope
Favorites: 7

Second 4:
Avg Score: 6.2073
Avg Place: 35
Avg Percentile: 85%
Ribbons: Nope
Top 10: Nope
Favorites: 19

LalliSig

Fisher Price Kid-Tough Digital

02/28/2006 12:10:13 PM · #30

Well since I have exactly 50 challenges now and it was a slow day at work I did some calculating, mainly because I am a statistics freak.

First 25:
Avg Score: 6,146
Avg Place: 54
Avg Percentile: 82%
Ribbons: 1
Top 10: 5 times
Favorites: 126
Avg Comments recieved: 21

Second 25:
Avg Score: 6.486
Avg Place: 30
Avg Percentile: 90%
Ribbons: 2
Top 10: 6 times
Favorites: 204
Avg Comments recieved: 31

Sheesh, talk about pressure if I am going to improve in the next 25 :P

Message edited by author 2006-03-01 04:53:47.

gaurawa

Mattel Barbie Photo Designer Digital Camera

02/28/2006 12:18:56 PM · #31

First 25
Average: 5.87
Ribbons: 0
Favorites: 38
Percentile: 75%

Last 25
Average: 6.35
Ribbons: 6
Favorites: 185
Percentile: 86%

digitalknight

02/28/2006 12:24:16 PM · #32

do these stats prove that you are a better photographer, or better at conforming to the unwritten standard that DPC voters are looking for?

I make lots of money on photos that DPC voters are giving me 5's for. DPC is so out of context (needs more DOF - when less DOF is EXACTLY what my client wanted) that I wonder what to do with most of the votes/feedback I get on a photo.

Playing devil's advocate here - but if nobody on DPC is EVER going to buy a print or stock photo from me - why should I care what my DPC stats are?

I'm not just trying to kill the flame of enthusiasm here - I'm sincerely interested in what you think.

gaurawa

02/28/2006 12:33:12 PM · #33

Getting a better score to me only means that I am able to please the DPC-voters.
If you are selling more photos ( that dpc doesn't like, but your clients do) then you are able to please your clients with your photos

I don't see anything different here, we are both only pleasing one section of the society and I don't know how this can be related to being a better photographer.

hopper

Canon EF 35mm f/2 IS USM

02/28/2006 12:37:01 PM · #34

did you join dpc to sell stock photos?

Originally posted by digitalknight:

but if nobody on DPC is EVER going to buy a print or stock photo from me - why should I care what my DPC stats are?

mattmac

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM

02/28/2006 12:37:41 PM · #35

Originally posted by digitalknight:

do these stats prove that you are a better photographer, or better at conforming to the unwritten standard that DPC voters are looking for?

I don't think the two have to be mutually exclusive. There is a definite element of "reaching your target audience" with these competitions...that's for certain. But these shots still have to be pretty darn good to ribbon. You can have an image that meets the challenge, and is of a style that "most" DPCers like, and if it isn't "done well", the score will reflect that.

Originally posted by digitalknight:

I make lots of money on photos that DPC voters are giving me 5's for.

Congrats on the money. Maybe these images were a stretch for the Challenge? Or you're not from Iceland. :-)

Originally posted by digitalknight:

DPC is so out of context (needs more DOF - when less DOF is EXACTLY what my client wanted) that I wonder what to do with most of the votes/feedback I get on a photo.

DPC IS you client during the Challenge.
If you make lots of money on those pictures outside of DPC, then you are exceding (or at least meeting) your client's expectations, which is your goal. Here, your goal is to compete in the Challenge, which is voted on by DPCers. Your client.

Originally posted by digitalknight:

Playing devil's advocate here - but if nobody on DPC is EVER going to buy a print or stock photo from me - why should I care what my DPC stats are?

For fun.

Originally posted by digitalknight:

I'm not just trying to kill the flame of enthusiasm here - I'm sincerely interested in what you think.

That's what I think. :-)

hopper

Canon EF 100mm f/2.8 USM Macro

Canon EF 35mm f/2 IS USM

02/28/2006 12:38:23 PM · #36

very nice numbers ... among the best I'd say

Originally posted by Larus:

Well since I have exactly 50 challenges now and it was a slow day at work I did some calculating, mainly because I am a statistics freak.

First 25:
Avg Score: 6,146
Avg Place: 54
Avg Percentile: 82%
Ribbons: 1
Top 10: 5 times
Favorites: 126
Avg Comments recieved: 21

Second 25:
Avg Score: 6.486
Avg Place: 30
Avg Percentile: 90%
Ribbons: 2
Top 10: 6 times
Favorites: 204

Sheesh, talk about pressure if I am going to improve in the next 25 :P

alexgarcia

Canon EOS-350D Rebel XT

02/28/2006 12:43:14 PM · #37

Hi all:
In my first 10 challenges my average score was about 5.13 and the average % was 43%.
In the next 10 my average score was about 5.54 and the average % was 54%.
In the last 3 my average was 5.87 and average was 73%.

Dear Dug: in my case I AM a better photographer than five months before. Not a superb one (not even a good one, if you want), but definetely better than I was.
I understand your point: yes, if you're a good photog selling in the market, it doesn't mind you're gonna have a good punctuation here at DPC. The winners of the ribons aren't necesarilly the most commercial in the real world, but this is DPC, not the real world...LOL.
Maybe an increment in scores doesn't implies that you're a better photog, but doesn't implies either that you're a worst photog. IMO, at least in some cases there's a relationship.
Álex.

Neuferland

Google Pixel 2

02/28/2006 02:17:58 PM · #38

First 25:
Avg Score: 4.8058
Avg Place: no clue
Avg Percentile: 30%
Ribbons: 0
Top 10: 1 times

Second 25:
Avg Score: 5.145
Avg Place: still no clue
Avg Percentile: 44%
Ribbons: 0
Top 10: 1 times

But my 51st entry was my highest ranking shot and highest placing shot, 4th place. :)

Deannda

Melethia

02/28/2006 03:23:03 PM · #39

Some of you guys (most of you, it seems!) simply start way too high to begin with... gotta leave room for improvement!

First 7:
Avg Score: 4.9373
Avg Percentile: 40%
Ribbons: 0
Top 10: 0
Favs: 2

Last 8:
Avg Score: 5.3114
Avg Percentile: 45%
Ribbons: 0
Top 10: 0
Favs: 10

The last 8 were helped significantly by two very good pics (by my standards). Of course, the one I have in a challenge now and the one I entered for one of the upcoming open challenges will bring these numbers down a bit. On the plus side, I do pay a whole lot more attention to my general composition and my exposure settings than I used to! So the learning part is going well.

DrAchoo

Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX5

Olympus 40-150mm f/2.8 PRO M.Zuiko

02/28/2006 03:26:03 PM · #40

Well, dang, even though I'm close to 50, I want to play now, so here we go for the first 44.

First 22:
Avg Score: 6.0372
Avg Percentile: 85%
Ribbons: 2
Top 10: 6
Favorites: 69

Second 22:
Avg Score: 6.2369
Avg Percentile: 84%
Ribbons: 1
Top 10: 4
Favorites: 69

It's interesting that the Average Score is quite a bit different, but that doesn't result it too much difference in any of the numbers below...

Brad

Olympus OM-D E-M1

02/28/2006 03:29:07 PM · #41

I should have quit a long time ago...

Melethia

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

02/28/2006 03:42:27 PM · #42

Originally posted by BradP:

I should have quit a long time ago...

Eh, I don't think so. A quick glance at your portfolio would say otherwise. :-)

SamDoe1

Canon EOS-350D Rebel XT

02/28/2006 03:44:25 PM · #43

I'll let you all know when I hit 50 challenges...or even 10 for that matter. Haha.

Melethia

02/28/2006 03:56:54 PM · #44

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Geez, Doc, what did I just say about leaving room for improvement? ;) Interesting number of favorites in the split. Means you get 3.13636... (repeating) favs per challenge. I'd say that's a very nice stat.

scalvert

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4L USM

02/28/2006 04:02:19 PM · #45

Looks like I've leveled off. The stats for my first 50 are obviously on my profile page. After that...

Third 25: (including several stinkers)
Avg score: 6.307
Avg place: 30
Ribbons: 4
Favorites: 329

Next 17 so far...
Avg score: 6.579
Avg place: 24
Ribbons: 5
Favorites: 231

I've taken a break from the challenges for a while, but I still have room for improvement... 7 of my top 10 scores have come from these newer submissions.

Rikki

Canon EOS-20D

02/28/2006 04:37:48 PM · #46

ahhhh the man of the hour :)

it's fun to see this thread and how "some" of us had made great strides for improvement :)

Rae-Ann

Fujifilm FinePix S9000

02/28/2006 04:52:41 PM · #47

Rikki, congrats on those stats...

Doc...first 25 average 6? Come on now! :) Thats hardly fair!

And elsapo, I don't know what you are eating ( drinking, smoking, whatever) But send some up to Toronto, would ya!!?

The moment I actually show some improvement, you guys will be the first to know :)

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

02/28/2006 05:08:16 PM · #48

I bet my last 25 are lower than my first 25, mostly shot with the same camera too.

Of course, the rules and site population (and site layout) were pretty different for the first 25 ...

DrAchoo

Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX5