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02/22/2006 04:56:45 PM · #1 |
It is quite evident, that if your image is not B&W or Brown & White,Blue & white,or all the B&W's,it is not duotone, The subject matter is good, according to comments(3), texture and duotone effect good, 24hours after commencement of voting, 24V, 20v, 3.8. Duotone I believe is B&W with coloring added,are the parameters of the photgraphic mind locked in to this, as don't go outside our thoughts.
Reading Through the comments on Duotone,my spirits have been lifted,as many of the entries went for what they believed "True Duotone" but we seem to have come unstuck. The Challenge has been a great learning curve in creativity, As mentioned a more defined submition detail would have helped. MAYBE.
Thank you all for your comments.
Message edited by author 2006-02-23 04:39:21. |
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02/22/2006 04:59:22 PM · #2 |
Shoulda entered fashion where I'm sitting comfortably in the mid 6's
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02/22/2006 05:00:43 PM · #3 |
| Sure Rub it in.(LOL) I started at 7.6 now I cant get to 5. WTF? |
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02/22/2006 05:10:39 PM · #4 |
Exactly what I was afraid of. I've got a true duotone, one of few (most are B&W or monochromatic) and I'm sitting at 3.8-3.9 as well. I really questioned doing this after looking at Duotone I (which also had few duotones), and the challenge description, which only mentioned B&W and sepiatone didn't help much either.
Only one comment, "awesome".
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02/22/2006 05:25:00 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by talmy:
Exactly what I was afraid of. I've got a true duotone, one of few (most are B&W or monochromatic) and I'm sitting at 3.8-3.9 as well. I really questioned doing this after looking at Duotone I (which also had few duotones), and the challenge description, which only mentioned B&W and sepiatone didn't help much either.
Only one comment, "awesome". |
Care to define "true duotone"?
R.
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02/22/2006 05:44:05 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by talmy:
Exactly what I was afraid of. I've got a true duotone, one of few (most are B&W or monochromatic) and I'm sitting at 3.8-3.9 as well. I really questioned doing this after looking at Duotone I (which also had few duotones), and the challenge description, which only mentioned B&W and sepiatone didn't help much either.
Only one comment, "awesome". |
Care to define "true duotone"?
R. |
Well, if one gets too technical, it's not possible to do a duotone because it is an ink printing process. You have two color inks, so the print has those two tones plus, of course, the paper color. B&W can be duotone and often is (using grey and black inks) but just doing a "desaturate" really meets neither the spirit nor the letter of the definition. Sepiatone is of course a traditional photographic process that can give a result that is monochromatic or looks similar to a duotone (sepia plus black inks) depending on the processing technique.
But, anyway, you know all this.
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02/22/2006 05:44:54 PM · #7 |
Well, I also thought I had a "true" duotone - blue and yellow in my case - but looks like folk disagree, as seen below.
Now I need to understand what a "true" duotone is as my intepretation of the Feb 2006 issue of Digitial Camera discussion of duotone convinced me I was on the right lines!
Chuckle! Live and learn :-)
Votes: 79
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Updated: 02/22/06 05:10 pm
Carl
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02/22/2006 05:50:12 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by obsidian:
Well, I also thought I had a "true" duotone - blue and yellow in my case - but looks like folk disagree, as seen below. |
I can almost guarentee you are right! I bet when this is all over that the duotones, especially those that involve two colors rather than black and a single color, will be clustered near the bottom of the scoring. And I expect that the three ribbons will all be monochromatic. |
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02/22/2006 05:57:04 PM · #9 |
I confess that I didn't know what "Duotone" meant before this challenge either. When I looked at the previous challenge it looked like standard B&W or Sepia conversions, but then I saw the few colored ones. I did a search on the internet and found this helpful tutorial for proper Duotone conversion in Photoshop. It is made for CS2, but I have CS and the steps were the same.
//library.albany.edu/imc/pdf/photoshop_duotone.pdf
Even having found this, I didn't go crazy with the colors choosing black and a light purple pantone color for the light. It is hard to tell it is much different from the straight B&W version except it has a lot better contrast than a pure white and black duotone (cooled down some of the hotspots I suppose).
I don't mean to imply that I don't like the more colored ones (or that I think they aren't good duotones), there are a couple in this challenge that used it to great effect that I would hang on my wall!
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02/22/2006 06:04:19 PM · #10 |
DPC duotone evidently mean hi contrast, bold brightness. The idea of an old "two toned" photograph look apparently is not welcome. Like all challenges, ya'll need to be thick skinned. Remember that in a hi percentage of top 10 over processing to un-realistic real look is the norm. A few pics that truely capture the scene that the eye sees do well but in general hi contrast, brighter colors or even unnatural colors that causes sometimes extreme contrast wins. That could be a definition between basic and advanced. Basic should look real not altered into obscure colored sunsets. Advanced is more artistic where a goal of a level of fantacy is achieved.
Heads up, it's only DPC way of looking at thigs, if you like your pic then it's the best in the competition. If you put it in the challenge to see how low you can go then congrats, it will get there without a problem ;) |
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02/22/2006 06:12:33 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by hywind:
It is quite evident, that if your image is not B&W or Brown & White,Blue & white,or all the B&W's,it is not duotone, The subject matter is good, according to comments(3), texture and duotone effect good, 24hours after commencement of voting, 24V, 20v, 3.8. Duotone I believe is B&W with coloring added,are the parameters of the photgraphic mind locked in to this, as don't go outside our thoughts. |
People who still don't know what a duotone really is but are bent on punishing images for failing to meet the challenge should probably not vote at all. That just starts petty arguments.
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02/22/2006 06:25:01 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by stdavidson:
Originally posted by hywind:
It is quite evident, that if your image is not B&W or Brown & White,Blue & white,or all the B&W's,it is not duotone, The subject matter is good, according to comments(3), texture and duotone effect good, 24hours after commencement of voting, 24V, 20v, 3.8. Duotone I believe is B&W with coloring added,are the parameters of the photgraphic mind locked in to this, as don't go outside our thoughts. |
People who still don't know what a duotone really is but are bent on punishing images for failing to meet the challenge should probably not vote at all. That just starts petty arguments. |
Well said...... it may also help also if scores were hidden during the voting or only updated one a day at midnight. The gamesmanship might go away. Or if you've had a bad day go somewhere else other than dpc to vote, go to the bar or go kick your dog ... dogs are very loyal, they'll forget and love ya tomorrow. Wouldn't it be good if everyone could see who made the 1,2 votes and the 9,10 votes. If you really felt strong that it deserved an extreme the voter should not be ashamed for making it. |
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02/22/2006 06:32:09 PM · #13 |
*Sigh*
Seems like this argument started even before the vote. People snubbing their nose at b/w, sepia, etc... and others snubbing more adventurous mixtures. Can't we just get along? *hums "We are the World"*
Truth is... all of it is a duotone effect, and none of it is the true duotone printing process.
As always... vote on the technical merit of the shot and how effective it was at capturing the photographer's vision or bringing out an emotion. I've seen a "monochromatic" that was a stunning richness and a "creative combo" that hit a perfect blend for the subject. I gave both high marks.
I'm sure my Dark blue/rusty yellow is getting frowned on as too monochromatic. But I played a long time in the photoshop duotone mode to find the warm feeling I was after. I played with the two hues and their separate curves. It *IS* a duotone and if you don't like it... :P *Pthhhhh* :). It is the first picture I've done at DPC that is going on my wall !!!
edit - spelling.
Message edited by author 2006-02-22 18:37:20.
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02/22/2006 06:39:05 PM · #14 |
Well while not giving anything away ... my entry is TANKING ... baddly...but I presented it to the client as an extra in their package and the client laughed so hard that they started crying...
I got my blue ... so to all of you that want to use your almightly low vote because you have a very narrow view of what a doutone is supposed to be or ratio of white space to non-whitespace... pound sand and bark at the moon...
(Edit to finish thought)
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02/22/2006 06:39:23 PM · #15 |
BTW, abroken1...
Thanks for the very nice link. That was the method I used as well.
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02/22/2006 06:47:31 PM · #16 |
I too am a little disappointed, as I also started in the very high 5.9's and now dropped to and just holding on to a 5.....
I am also surprised at the high number of black and whites entries, and now think that has to be the only way to go..... Such a shame as "DUOTONES", really means two colors and Black & White is just that "BLACK & WHITE".
With the very high percentage of "Black and Whites" images entered, I think this should have been called A "Black & White" challenge, and not "Duotone".
I am not upset, just dissapointed. I guess it is a bit like Abstracts against the more accepted life-like images as an example.....
In saying all this, there are some very, very, good "Black and Whites" images in this challenge, as well as some the more colorful images.....
I have voted very high already on some of the "Black & Whites" entries. I always look at the photo "FIRST", and mark accordinly, and then look to see if it meets the challenge, before commenting and voting, as that is my way.....THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. |
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02/22/2006 07:07:06 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by abroken1:
I confess that I didn't know what "Duotone" meant before this challenge either. When I looked at the previous challenge it looked like standard B&W or Sepia conversions, but then I saw the few colored ones. I did a search on the internet and found this helpful tutorial for proper Duotone conversion in Photoshop. It is made for CS2, but I have CS and the steps were the same.
//library.albany.edu/imc/pdf/photoshop_duotone.pdf
Even having found this, I didn't go crazy with the colors choosing black and a light purple pantone color for the light. It is hard to tell it is much different from the straight B&W version except it has a lot better contrast than a pure white and black duotone (cooled down some of the hotspots I suppose). |
I wouldn't even rely on the info in the various PP packages to help you define duotone. I checked the help menu in PSP for advice on how to achieve a duotone and it gave the instructions for a b/w or sepia conversion.
At the end of the day, when the challenge info specifically gave b/w and sepia as examples of what a duotone was, the challenge was always going to be full of these images. i'm not saying these were accurate examples of a duotone but hey, you can't argue with folks doing as the challenge suggests. |
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02/22/2006 07:15:43 PM · #18 |
I'm thinking that this challenge is going to set a new record for the most threads started on the challenge subject prior to, during, and probably after the challenge voting...
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02/23/2006 02:43:35 AM · #19 |
I just had a comment left against my submission where the reviewer said that he saw my entry more as digital art than as a photo. This caused me to stop and think that maybe he is right as the post processing has taken the image away from a more traditional view of a photo.
Well, I may be heading towards the brown ribbon but I enjoyed the challenge and the work I put into it and personally like the picture. Also just proves to me what a wide variety of tastes and perceptions abound in this interesting world of ours.
Carl
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02/23/2006 03:04:15 AM · #20 |
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
Sure Rub it in.(LOL) I started at 7.6 now I cant get to 5. WTF? |
Know the feeling ;) Lol
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02/23/2006 04:08:42 AM · #21 |
| Perhaps a challenge of this nature should have a list of the steps that turn a full color image into a duotone? |
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02/23/2006 04:28:27 AM · #22 |
I'm not doing too bad with my "actual duotone" (black, blue). Started with 5.5 ...up to 5.7
I think most of the images have very low contrast and it seems like people have simple added "filled color" layer over B/W picture. That might technically be "duotone" though.
Also, many (MANY) of the photos lack on composition also. Some dont even have good focus!
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02/23/2006 10:53:17 AM · #23 |
Originally posted by magpie5212:
Perhaps a challenge of this nature should have a list of the steps that turn a full color image into a duotone? |
There was another recent thread on this. One problem is that some programs (specifically Photoshop Elements) don't provide duotone conversion and apparently can't create a real duotone with the basic editing limitations. (Interesting aside -- there is something seriously wrong with the rules if what you can or cannot do within the rules is based on what software you use!)
Users of the full Photoshop have an easy conversion. I don't use Photoshop but have Corel Photo-Paint which has almost identical functionality but with different names for things. |
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02/23/2006 10:59:19 AM · #24 |
Originally posted by tejinder:
I'm not doing too bad with my "actual duotone" (black, blue). Started with 5.5 ...up to 5.7
I think most of the images have very low contrast and it seems like people have simple added "filled color" layer over B/W picture. That might technically be "duotone" though. |
Duotones with black as one of the colors should do fine. It's when two colors (red and blue for instance) are used -- these all seem to be vying for the Brown. Filled color over a B/W picture isn't a duotone, IMHO, because the amount of each color is supposed to be dependent on the light level at that point. Well, you could adjust the curve to make the amount of color constant, but that sort of defeats the purpose of the duotone.
And then there are those few entries that are full-color of two-colored subjects. I bet that even they will beat the two color duotones!
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02/23/2006 02:22:45 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by tejinder:
I'm not doing too bad with my "actual duotone" (black, blue). Started with 5.5 ...up to 5.7
I think most of the images have very low contrast and it seems like people have simple added "filled color" layer over B/W picture. That might technically be "duotone" though.
Also, many (MANY) of the photos lack on composition also. Some dont even have good focus! |
Wouldn't the use of a "filled color" layer over a B/W picture be a violation of the basic editing rules? I thought you could only use an adjustment layer and only in the normal mode in basic editing. |
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