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02/22/2006 12:57:13 PM · #1 |
I would like some advise from Canon experts.
Currently I have a Digital Rebel (300D) on sale, as soon as I manage to sell it to a friend I would like to do an upgrade for a better camera.
I have seen that the 20D has little improvement over the 350XT, and the 30D is a little better over the 20D. As 20D prices are expected to fall down (hopefuly below $1,000) Im wondering if buying the 30D would really be worth.
Right now I think that I should buy the 20D with Canon EF-S 17-85mm f/4-5.6 IS USM Autofocus Lens. Is it a wise choice? What would be better?.
Also I am worried because I will have to wait a lot till I can get my new camera because I live in Mexico City and camera prices here are crazy. I would have to wait until somebody I know can travel to NY (bhphoto is the best choice?).
I would thank all the kind advise that you can provide. Thank you very much. |
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02/22/2006 01:02:16 PM · #2 |
| A major factor is can you hold the 350D? A lot of people find it uncomfortable. It's fine for me, but not for lots of others. |
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02/22/2006 01:04:41 PM · #3 |
The 20D (and the 30D) are much closer in size to your 300D than is the 350xt. Also, the 20D and 30D have a much more efficient set of controls, using 3 separate asjustment "wheels" to do different things, while the 350xt requires switching the mode of a single wheel to do those same things.
R.
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02/22/2006 01:24:09 PM · #4 |
| price margin so small i would just wait until april for the 30D |
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02/22/2006 01:25:39 PM · #5 |
| is april the release date for the 30D? |
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02/22/2006 01:55:57 PM · #6 |
I think it's coming out in Mid March per this site.
//www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=7-7891-8214-8216
As for the XT vs 20D vs 30D, in terms of image quality (IQ), they will be the same as the XT and the 20D have pretty much same IQ and since the 30D is using the 20D's sensor and same Digic II, you can infer that the XT and 30D will have the same IQ.
Now the XT is the cheapest but it has lower fps, build, and features. IF you don't mind it, then it's a good deal.
The 20D is cheaper and more robust than the XT, but I doubt that it would go below $1000 as new 10D's are selling for $800 at B&H now. Perhaps $1100 or a $1000 maybe feasible.
The 30D has the same wonderful IQ as the 20D but has all the things that the 20D lacked. Good LCD, more buffer (esp. in RAW), better battery meter, spot metering, ability to have the camera rotate the image only on the computer, more ISO options, ability to see the ISO in the VF, and so on and so on and so on.
Personally, I think the improvements are worth the about $300-$400 price increase over the 20D. Now whether the 30D at $1399 is worth $650 more than a XT which goes for about $750 now is upto you.
I'd say that if you generally don't feel the need for a more "professional" feel and features when using your 300D, then the XT would do nicely. If you do, then maybe you should get the 30D. I wouldn't recommend the 20D b/c you get so much more features on the 30D over the 20D for relatively small increase in price.
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02/22/2006 02:07:35 PM · #7 |
| You could get all three and let us know |
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02/22/2006 02:38:33 PM · #8 |
Without a doubt, for the little extra, the 30D is the best bet. It's not a big enough change to drive a lot of 20D users to upgrade, IMO, but if you're choosing between the two, it's a no-brainer. There are a lot of little improvements to an already great camera.
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02/22/2006 02:46:43 PM · #9 |
20D or 30D - if money is tight and there is no extra special something in teh 30D you need, get the 20D and put the savings toward more/better glass. The 20D will gon on clearance soon and might be below 1000$US, where the 30D being new and in short supply will stay near $1300US.
As for the lens, that is not a bad lens, but check out the tamron SP24-135 - more range and less cost, and slightly better optically.
30D with 17-85IS will run you about $1900US
the 20D with the tamron $1400US - the $500 savings's get you a canon 70-200 f4 or a tokina 12-24 f4 or a 580EX flash.
Message edited by author 2006-02-22 14:47:51.
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02/22/2006 03:07:18 PM · #10 |
Best thing you can do is go out and hold them all. I thought about a 350XT, but when I held it, I hated its guts. I'm looking to upgrade soonish too, and I'm going for the 30D, since it's not that much more than the 20D, which is a great camera itself.
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02/22/2006 04:11:47 PM · #11 |
I personally don't see the 30D as enough of an upgrade for me to run out and buy it.
BUT... if I was upgrading from the Rebel (which I still have), I would definitely go for the 30D, if for no other reason than to have a better LCD on the back. That's one of the shortcomings, I feel, of the 20D. The LCD is too small, and there isn't enough detail to determine if the image truly is sharp or not.
(okay, I confess, I chimp and I'm proud of it)
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02/22/2006 05:10:13 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by dwterry:
I personally don't see the 30D as enough of an upgrade for me to run out and buy it.
BUT... if I was upgrading from the Rebel (which I still have), I would definitely go for the 30D, if for no other reason than to have a better LCD on the back. That's one of the shortcomings, I feel, of the 20D. The LCD is too small, and there isn't enough detail to determine if the image truly is sharp or not.
(okay, I confess, I chimp and I'm proud of it) |
You took the words right outta my mouth. I have the 20D, and am very satisfied wioth it. If I were doing the same purchase again today, I would go for the 30, but I won't upgrade to it from the 20D.
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02/22/2006 05:58:47 PM · #13 |
I would hold on a little until the 30D street price settles. If it's only a little more than the 20D, I would go for it just for the spot metering.
More likely, I suspect the 20D will drop a bit and it would be the better value. It really depends how important the upgrades are to you. Most people seem to consider it minor.... I am certainly not upgrading for a minor update. |
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02/22/2006 06:02:46 PM · #14 |
I just received my 20D today (need it for a wedding next weekend, so no waiting for the 30D) and a Tamron 28-75 f/2.8 and I love it! If money is not an option, the 30D is undoubtedly a great camera, but I do not think you can go wrong with the 20D.
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02/22/2006 07:27:51 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
check out the tamron SP24-135 - more range and less cost, and slightly better optically. |
What about the Sigma 18-125mm f/3.5-5.6 DC Lens
It seems to be less expensive, but I don't know about image quality
Also I didn't find the tamron lens Prof_Fate was telling about, but instead I found this one:
Tamron Zoom Super Wide Angle 18-200mm f/3.5-6.3 XR Di-II LD Aspherical (IF) Macro Lens
On bhphoto SIGMA is: $369
and TAMRON is: $389
and CANON 17-85IS is: $514.95
I think I can live without IS, right? (I hope at least hehe)
So perhaps the decision would be between sigma and tamron, any ideas?
I think I would like the macro from the Tamron
Message edited by author 2006-02-22 19:34:06. |
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02/22/2006 10:41:54 PM · #16 |
I'm going to go against the grain here with what everyone says about the feel on the 350XT. Most people I have talked to that use the camera don't really have a problem with the way it feels. Those that found it a bit small in the hand in the store generally have little problem after getting used to it for a couple of weeks.
A battery grip works really well if you really need the extra bulk, but that is more likely to happen if using a really big lens. If you can afford that, you are more likely to go for a 20D/30D anyways.
It's generally considered better to have a lens with something like an f/2.8 constant aperture than a variable aperture with IS.
The only real benefit to getting the 17-85 IS will probably be how wide it goes.
I wouldn't worry about that because it isn't all that wide. You can do nearly as well with a much cheaper kit lens if that's in your needs.
Chances are though that you will be better off by going for the 28-75 f2.8 by Tamron which is both cheap and excellent optically.
Then, if you like wide, you get a lens that goes wide like the Tokina 12-24 or the Canon 10-22.
I'm personally trying to weigh the 20D/30D option and the logical answer basically comes out as - wait until the 30D is released and review retail prices as compared to 2nd hand prices on the 20D.
The 30D is definitely a better camera, but it's release might drive the 2nd hand price of the 20D down far enough to go for it.
Either camera is still excellent.
Try to figure out what your absolute limit is on price and go from there.
My limit for a 2nd hand camera is 800 dollars US body only. For a new camera, I might go 1000 or 1100 dollars US. That might be doable with the 30D by April some time.
Image quality from all of those cameras is excellent. |
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02/22/2006 10:55:32 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by eschelar:
Those that found it ( the xt) a bit small in the hand in the store generally have little problem after getting used to it for a couple of weeks. |
This of course rules out those that ran from the store without buying it, as it was just too akward in the hand to even imagine buying it. i liked the numbers on the xt, but after handeling it decided to wait for the 30. But I will want to put it in my hands before I buy. |
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02/22/2006 10:56:00 PM · #18 |
Hi Patrinus,
Canon 20D Vs Canon 350D
20D is a better camera than the 350D in anyway you can measure.....except for cost. :)
The addition of spot metering and a decent LCD to the 30D are long overdue features and have been available on almost every non-Canon entry level dslr for a long time.
Of the three bodies your considering, the 30D is the best tool for making pictures and should be at the top of your list.
cheers,
bazz. |
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02/23/2006 11:18:40 AM · #19 |
That is a good article at delineating the differences. I personally made my choice from several of the points in that article.
I would venture to say that the biggest thing in that article for me was the autofocus performance.
I was using my friend's 300D with my 80-200 F2.8L and I was totally stuNNed at how fast that thing can focus. Woah.
There's no way at all I could match it with my eye, unless I was given a few minutes to consider. Sillyness. Autofocus it is. The faster the better, the more accurate the better.
My list of lenses all take advantage of this extra set of sensors inside the AF area. (information from an article I read about the way a split-prism autofocus system works - which is the system in the 20D)
Cost can be a pretty big issue though.
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