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02/21/2006 07:15:31 PM · #1 |
I am so pissed off right now by a 2 vote from a member (in Sins) who porports to be a professional yet puts down my image down as a "badly taken setup"
Why don't people follow the rules and vote images as real and if they doubt it then ask for proof? I know this has been spoken about before but after being on a high all week with my score I get a so called professional telling me I'm a fake - it does piss me off!
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02/21/2006 07:18:55 PM · #2 |
Dude! Your pix rawks! Who cares what a so called pro thinks of them.
Of course, I absolutely understand your frustration with comments from so-called professionals but at the end of the day, if you like your own shot does it really matter what one or two nay-sayers think?
I say reclaim your high from those who wish to steal it.
peace
rooster
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02/21/2006 07:21:13 PM · #3 |
| I hope it isn't me. I didn't get a chance to enter, but I always look afterwards to see how my judging worked with the rest of the group. |
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02/21/2006 07:23:21 PM · #4 |
Hey man, shit happens. Some people just get a little defensive when they feel the competition. The photos on your website are pretty damn impressive, so let it slide. I'd be pissed too though. Not much you can do eh? Btw, where can i see the photo he was talking about?
Cheers,
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02/21/2006 07:24:26 PM · #5 |
| How do you know they gave you a 2? Did they just leave the score in the comments like some people do? I always have thought that you don't see the scores until the voting has been completed. |
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02/21/2006 07:25:16 PM · #6 |
Hey Rooster, many thanks, I try not to let others get me down but this recent comment pi**ed me off, I apologise for venting my anger, your coolness has helped me calm down :)
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02/21/2006 07:31:55 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by Ecce Signum:
I am so pissed off right now by a 2 vote from a member (in Sins) who porports to be a professional yet puts down my image down as a "badly taken setup"
Why don't people follow the rules and vote images as real and if they doubt it then ask for proof? I know this has been spoken about before but after being on a high all week with my score I get a so called professional telling me I'm a fake - it does piss me off! |
Don't worry about it... their one low vote will hardly affect your score at all.
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02/21/2006 07:33:21 PM · #8 |
I've also noticed that a comment was made on one of my previous entries that wasn't so kind. But when the results were posted the comment wasn't there anymore? As if that person went back and deleted the comment before I could see the name (I have names hidden till the voting is over).
Oh well.... be the duck and let the water flow off your back ;-) |
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02/21/2006 07:34:08 PM · #9 |
ooh, when I posted the above there were not so many comments so,
@ rasdub, I'm sad and watch the votes and work out what I'm given.
@ tapeworm, thanks, the pic is in the Sins challenge and hope you see it on the front page tomorrow ;)
@ Nullix, no, it isnt you ;)
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02/21/2006 07:46:59 PM · #10 |
YOu can't assume you got a 2 just because your mathematical exercise indicates the possibility. This is the last day of the challenge, and lots of folks are readjusting their scoring from the "slots" to the final scores. Even if only ONE additional vote showed up, there may have been a number of adjusted votes. Not only that, the commnter may have already voted, and just now gotten around to commenting.
So that's a dangerous assumption to make, and the sort of thing that discourages a lot of us...
R.
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02/21/2006 07:48:51 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by stdavidson:
Don't worry about it... their one low vote will hardly affect your score at all. |
well...
if instead of one of my four "3"'s in the "Abstract" challenge I got a "7" (my average score) , I would've ribboned :)
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02/21/2006 07:57:08 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
YOu can't assume you got a 2 just because your mathematical exercise indicates the possibility. This is the last day of the challenge, and lots of folks are readjusting their scoring from the "slots" to the final scores. Even if only ONE additional vote showed up, there may have been a number of adjusted votes. Not only that, the commnter may have already voted, and just now gotten around to commenting.
So that's a dangerous assumption to make, and the sort of thing that discourages a lot of us...
R. |
Still Bear, what about the comment left by the said voter, "badly taken setup"? I have experienced a similar thing in the 80's challenge. A voter left a comment informing me that my submission had been "Composite in Photoshop". This was during the first 2 hours of the voting on the challenge so I know this member gave me a bad score.
Well my photo was not compiled in Photoshop and has been validated by SC, however the bad score remains. I agree with Ecce in that people should follow the rules and vote images as real and if they doubt it then ask for proof?
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02/21/2006 07:58:58 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
YOu can't assume you got a 2 just because your mathematical exercise indicates the possibility. This is the last day of the challenge, and lots of folks are readjusting their scoring from the "slots" to the final scores. Even if only ONE additional vote showed up, there may have been a number of adjusted votes. Not only that, the commnter may have already voted, and just now gotten around to commenting.
So that's a dangerous assumption to make, and the sort of thing that discourages a lot of us...
R. |
yes, maybe Bear, but, the comment and vote came after a double click so I'm pretty sure I'm right and doubt the commenter would have given me (say) a 6 with such a comment whilst other voters reduced their votes. I'm just sounding off about peoples 'stupid' voting, tomorrow I'm sure sure I'll see a lot of 1's and 2's on my image, I don't care because I've done well, I just wasn't happy about his comment.
*spieling*
Message edited by author 2006-02-21 20:01:47.
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02/21/2006 07:59:49 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by GIS_boy:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
YOu can't assume you got a 2 just because your mathematical exercise indicates the possibility. This is the last day of the challenge, and lots of folks are readjusting their scoring from the "slots" to the final scores. Even if only ONE additional vote showed up, there may have been a number of adjusted votes. Not only that, the commnter may have already voted, and just now gotten around to commenting.
So that's a dangerous assumption to make, and the sort of thing that discourages a lot of us...
R. |
Still Bear, what about the comment left by the said voter, "badly taken setup"? I have experienced a similar thing in the 80's challenge. A voter left a comment informing me that my submission had been "Composite in Photoshop". This was during the first 2 hours of the voting on the challenge so I know this member gave me a bad score.
Well my photo was not compiled in Photoshop and has been validated by SC, however the bad score remains. I agree with Ecce in that people should follow the rules and vote images as real and if they doubt it then ask for proof? |
Ok so if you know you didn't compose your image in Photoshop who cares what others think? If your image looks good I'm sure it will get good marks. Not everyone is going to like the same stuff. As for this person's specific comments just treat it for what it is worth. |
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02/21/2006 08:03:59 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by ltsimring:
Originally posted by stdavidson:
Don't worry about it... their one low vote will hardly affect your score at all. |
well...
if instead of one of my four "3"'s in the "Abstract" challenge I got a "7" (my average score) , I would've ribboned :) |
Yeah but you were only in that position because some people voted your photo higher than the majority thought it was worth. :) |
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02/21/2006 08:04:38 PM · #16 |
Ecce, I'm sorry you got so upset about a comment. But wouldn't you still rather know why you got a low score? We always see so many threads where people just want to know why - this voter happened to tell you. Would you rather see the "2" vote and not know why?
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02/21/2006 08:09:45 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by A1275:
Ecce, I'm sorry you got so upset about a comment. But wouldn't you still rather know why you got a low score? We always see so many threads where people just want to know why - this voter happened to tell you. Would you rather see the "2" vote and not know why? |
Yes, your spot on! its the only negative comment I have (and I'm sure I have some low votes) whe are a fickle bunch arn't we?
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02/21/2006 08:18:34 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by ltsimring:
Originally posted by stdavidson:
Don't worry about it... their one low vote will hardly affect your score at all. |
well...
if instead of one of my four "3"'s in the "Abstract" challenge I got a "7" (my average score) , I would've ribboned :) |
Yeah but you were only in that position because some people voted your photo higher than the majority thought it was worth. :) |
isn't it always the case (to have some people voting you higher than majority, and some people lower)? however, we take an undeserved 10 much rather than undeserved 1, don't we? :)
anyway, my point was that sometimes a single vote matters...
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02/21/2006 08:22:50 PM · #19 |
DPChallenge user Ecce Signum has sent you the following private message:
Hey, thanks for the '2' on my sins shot, however, maybe you should read the rules here on dpc and vote a shot as honest rather than just decide it doesn't meet the challenge? You should vote the shot as real and if you don't believe it is then request a DQ.
Its imature voters like you that really piss me off here!
My shot it as out of the camera as you are ever likely to see!
And hey, the worst you can do is reduce your 2 vote to a 1 now - woopy shit!
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Mr. McGill,
First off, since the images have no shooter ID on them, I have no idea which shot was yours. That's just for starters. If you like please let me know which one is yours, I promise I will not lower your score to spite you. I'm not that sort of chap.
I regret that my vote/words fell on sensitive ears. Possibly the comments were not to your liking, and hampers you from reaching your goals. I find it interesting that you blame others for this.
The contest was a challenge. That means that you are challenging your creative juices to produce an image that fulfills the challenge at hand. Your shot, in my estimation did not do that. With a degree of certainty, again not knowing which image was yours, I judged that photo as I saw it. Judging by you averages, and to me they say, your images are just average, correct me if I'm wrong about that, why are you so upset. There were several images in the challenge that received Kudo's and a score of 10, so it's not like I just took a dislike to your photo. My words and score were just my opinion. DC is not my life, nor does it have anything to do with the business reality. It is an opportunity to have other photographers look at your work and offer up honest comments and score your work. If done with integrity, then DC has done its job. By having folks vote in great numbers, you, as a shooter, have the chance to massage your work up the scale, and I truly believe you are doing this with a great deal of success. I looked at a few of your other images, and I believe they were very well executed.
But your attack towards me was unwarranted, rude for an English gentleman and very unprofessional. If you shoot commercial work, and acted as you did to a client upon receiving rejection for an image, I doubt that a sale would ensue.
With that said, I commend you on your work, excluding the image that caused this conversation, and hope that something was learned by us both.
My thought is that when an artist puts his/her work out there for approval, they, not I, are setting themselves up for either praise or rejection. I have shot some very bad photographs in my day along with some great ones. I have several professional friends who will critique my work as I do there's, and offer up honest comments and believe me, they can be very brutal indeed. As a result of their input, I have on occasion culled out those images. Even though I have been shooting professionally all of my life, [I'm 59 and started when I was 12 or so] I always seek the truth. If I made a negative comment on your image, lashing out at me doesn't make me look bad, but leads me to believe you fail to accept criticism that is negative and possible gloat when it is positive. The point is that no matter how serious we are about shooting, we should always want to get better. Of the millions of images I have shot, I personally receive a negative comment more seriously than I do a positive comment. Reason, most people tell you how great your work is even if it isn't true. They think they are offering encouragement to a budding artist, when in reality they are doing just the opposite. They are encouraging the artist to continue producing bad art. Maybe you seek only compliments, and that's fine, me, I seek honesty; I can handle the truth.
Thanks for your note, and just for your information, I am not immature, nor do I use the unnecessary language conveyed in your note to weaken my communication. If you care to continue this discussion, by all means, please carry on. I'm here.
Good luck and thank you for your note,
Byron Gates, Jr [My real name]
Message edited by author 2009-07-22 08:03:39.
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02/21/2006 09:18:24 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by byrongates:
DPChallenge user Ecce Signum has sent you the following private message:
Hey, thanks for the '2' on my sins shot, however, maybe you should read the rules here on dpc and vote a shot as honest rather than just decide it doesn't meet the challenge? You should vote the shot as real and if you don't believe it is then request a DQ.
Its imature voters like you that really piss me off here!
My shot it as out of the camera as you are ever likely to see!
And hey, the worst you can do is reduce your 2 vote to a 1 now - woopy shit!
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Mr. McGill,
First off, since the images have no shooter ID on them, I have no idea which shot was yours.
My thought is that when an artist puts his/her work out there for approval, they, not I, are setting themselves up for either praise or rejection. |
Ok, I have two thoughts, and not very pro Ecce Signum.
First of all, if this an unedited PM to Mr. Gates, then you have shown an immaturity yourself. There are many time that I would like to reach into the monitor and pull whom ever through and smack them a few times. But, the differance between being mature, and immature is the gripe.
Who cares what one person thinks. This is the World Wide Web, not the Next Door Neighbor Web. Come on, think about it. Jesus Christ almighty!!!
Secondly, Mr. Gates is dead on correct. If an artist is prepared to put forth work for a viewership to observer and to comment, then that artist needs to do three things, and three things only.
Bend over, grit your teeth, and take the pain.
I need a beer now, damn it.
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02/21/2006 09:26:32 PM · #21 |
As American_Horse put above me, Byron is absolutely correct, if you're going to willingly open yourself up to criticism and commentary on your work, then you have to accept that not everyone will say what you want them to say.
It's always, always better to have truthful feedback. |
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02/21/2006 09:39:02 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by GIS_boy:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
YOu can't assume you got a 2 just because your mathematical exercise indicates the possibility. This is the last day of the challenge, and lots of folks are readjusting their scoring from the "slots" to the final scores. Even if only ONE additional vote showed up, there may have been a number of adjusted votes. Not only that, the commnter may have already voted, and just now gotten around to commenting.
So that's a dangerous assumption to make, and the sort of thing that discourages a lot of us...
R. |
Still Bear, what about the comment left by the said voter, "badly taken setup"? I have experienced a similar thing in the 80's challenge. A voter left a comment informing me that my submission had been "Composite in Photoshop". This was during the first 2 hours of the voting on the challenge so I know this member gave me a bad score.
Well my photo was not compiled in Photoshop and has been validated by SC, however the bad score remains. I agree with Ecce in that people should follow the rules and vote images as real and if they doubt it then ask for proof? |
Ok so if you know you didn't compose your image in Photoshop who cares what others think? If your image looks good I'm sure it will get good marks. Not everyone is going to like the same stuff. As for this person's specific comments just treat it for what it is worth. |
Not worth much mate!
Also doesn't alter my opinion that people should follow the rules and vote images as real and if they doubt it then ask for proof?
Message edited by author 2006-02-21 21:50:51.
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02/21/2006 09:46:53 PM · #23 |
Okay... this thread has the potential to get out of hand. Everyone should take a breath and stand down.
Suffice it say that many folks put a lot of energy and time into their works. I'm new to this but I've already laughed at how comments will ping-pong between good and bad (see my broken challenge comments ;-) ). I personally turn off the commentors name during the voting so I can wait with baited anticipation when the voting is done.
David
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02/21/2006 09:54:32 PM · #24 |
| I smell humble pie cooking... |
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02/21/2006 10:12:12 PM · #25 |
not me, i smell a fat juicy steak....
Originally posted by keegbow:
I smell humble pie cooking... |
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