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02/20/2006 02:05:29 PM · #1
This was the sweetest car at the Chicago Auto Show. Although it's only a concept car still, I hope this goes into production. If it does, I'll be the first in line to get one. 13 second 1/4 mile off the lot with top speed of 170. 6.1 liter 425hp HEMI. This will be THE best retro reproduction of any classic car.

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02/20/2006 02:18:48 PM · #2
Makes me salivate too. Sweet wheels...

R.
02/20/2006 02:22:03 PM · #3
Chevy is coming out with an old school looking Camaro Z-28. It's about time that the new muscle cars they are making look like a real muscle car. The GTO was very lame.
02/20/2006 02:29:24 PM · #4
Dude I am an E-Body freak! I love that car! Thanks for sharing man!

Edit: Mopar Rules! I dream of a 1970 Hemi-Cuda Shaker, Plum Crazy Rag Top.

Message edited by author 2006-02-20 14:41:12.
02/20/2006 02:35:03 PM · #5
OH.... my....

My hubby just sold his 30thAnniversary Firebird TransAm...
this could just be the next one to grace our driveway if I can talk him away from that new Camaro... :)

mmmmm, like that car... you couldnt get me to trade in my Jeep though. :)

02/20/2006 02:35:27 PM · #6
My first car at age 16 was the original. So this is very exciting and nostalgic on that level. Its amazing how close visually to the original this is - even closer than the current Mustang is.

On the other hand, if you really look at it, the big 3 is still spiraling downward. As impressive as it seems, 425 HP from 6.1 liters is not really that powerful (The Japanese V6 engines are approaching 300 HP with just sligtly more than half the displacement). Yes they will sell a few of these but in the long run they better start putting resources into cars that that mainstream population really wants to buy.
02/20/2006 02:45:15 PM · #7
Yeah, baby, I want one.
02/20/2006 02:47:53 PM · #8
Originally posted by photodude:

My first car at age 16 was the original. So this is very exciting and nostalgic on that level. Its amazing how close visually to the original this is - even closer than the current Mustang is.

On the other hand, if you really look at it, the big 3 is still spiraling downward. As impressive as it seems, 425 HP from 6.1 liters is not really that powerful (The Japanese V6 engines are approaching 300 HP with just sligtly more than half the displacement). Yes they will sell a few of these but in the long run they better start putting resources into cars that that mainstream population really wants to buy.


I'd pay $40,000 for American made 425 hp before I'd pay $34,000 for a turbo charged inline 4 cyl. put in cracker jack EVO made in Japan. Besides I'm sure if you slapped a turbo on the HEMI it would generate alot more than 425 hp.
02/20/2006 03:02:06 PM · #9
Originally posted by dsmeth:

Originally posted by photodude:

My first car at age 16 was the original. So this is very exciting and nostalgic on that level. Its amazing how close visually to the original this is - even closer than the current Mustang is.

On the other hand, if you really look at it, the big 3 is still spiraling downward. As impressive as it seems, 425 HP from 6.1 liters is not really that powerful (The Japanese V6 engines are approaching 300 HP with just sligtly more than half the displacement). Yes they will sell a few of these but in the long run they better start putting resources into cars that that mainstream population really wants to buy.


I'd pay $40,000 for American made 425 hp before I'd pay $34,000 for a turbo charged inline 4 cyl. put in cracker jack EVO made in Japan. Besides I'm sure if you slapped a turbo on the HEMI it would generate alot more than 425 hp.


You are misunderstanding my point

The EVO is just an econobox with a boosted engine - from a second tier manufacturer. The Japanese are for the most part not pursuing the "ponycar" or musclecar market. Instead, they just sell tons of very profitable high volume cars. So at the end of the day, they make money.

As far as V8 engines go, if Toyota, for instance, wanted to enlarge it's current V8 to 6.1 liters, they could easily exceed 425 HP without turbo or supercharging. Thats because they have modern designs with DOHC, variable valve timing, etc. Not rewarmed 50 year old technology.

One last thought. A few years ago I wanted to get a 2 door car. My budget was $30K. My finalists were the BMW 325, Mustang SVT Cobra, and Toyota Solara. In the end I bought the Solara. It now has 90K miles on it - and not a single repair. It's that last thing the Americans just can't match.
02/20/2006 03:27:20 PM · #10
The new '08 Challenger is a lovely car. It's the kind of car you buy because you fall in love with it, not for any practical reason.

Overall, the Big 3 are getting better, but they still are coming up short on reliability compared to the Japanese and the Koreans.


02/20/2006 03:42:38 PM · #11
Japanese cars have no heart.

Minus a Skyline here or a Supra Turbo there...very little to be enthusiastic about in japanese automakers. Even their luxury cars are just souless.

I can't see them remaking the latest Mitsubishi or Honda whatchamacallit in 30 years like they are doing with the Challenger, Camaro or Mustang.

I drive german but I admire the new Challenger, Camaro and Mustang remakes and could see owning one.

Message edited by author 2006-02-20 15:43:12.
02/20/2006 03:59:37 PM · #12
Originally posted by hokie:

Japanese cars have no heart.

Minus a Skyline here or a Supra Turbo there...very little to be enthusiastic about in japanese automakers. Even their luxury cars are just souless.

I can't see them remaking the latest Mitsubishi or Honda whatchamacallit in 30 years like they are doing with the Challenger, Camaro or Mustang.

I drive german but I admire the new Challenger, Camaro and Mustang remakes and could see owning one.


I'd disagree with that. There are several japanese cars and trucks (I'd be happy to list them) that are very popular, very loved, and will be considered collectables in 20-30 years if not already. They just haven't been making cars as long as the big three so it's hard to have many "classics." That and there is still a large buy-american crowd that can't stand japanese cars.
Plus, besides the last few years, how many "classics" have the big three put out since the early 80s? Even the mustangs and camaros of the 80's and 90's were nothing to write home about.

Back on topic, it is a sweet car.
02/20/2006 04:11:18 PM · #13
Originally posted by LoudDog:

Originally posted by hokie:

Japanese cars have no heart.

Minus a Skyline here or a Supra Turbo there...very little to be enthusiastic about in japanese automakers. Even their luxury cars are just souless.

I can't see them remaking the latest Mitsubishi or Honda whatchamacallit in 30 years like they are doing with the Challenger, Camaro or Mustang.



I'd disagree with that. There are several japanese cars and trucks (I'd be happy to list them) that are very popular, very loved, and will be considered collectables in 20-30 years if not already.


I would be happy to talk about these japanese cars..I love car talk :-D

But popular and loved don't equal Challenger, Camaro, Mustang.

I watch the Jackson Barrett auto auctions and I am gonna have a hard time believing I will see a Toyota Camry or Honda Accord come across that stage anytime in this century. Now, check out the lowly Duster or Chevy Nova...two pedestrian cars of their era. They are highly coveted. Really, japanese cars are fine transportation but they remind me more of asian consumer electronics thatn automotive magic :-/

And you won't get an argument from me that American automakers are just as lifeless in many of their offerings as the Japanese. Hence why I don't drive either one :-D
02/20/2006 04:17:10 PM · #14
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:

... I dream of a 1970 Hemi-Cuda Shaker, Plum Crazy Rag Top.

Something like this one but with Plymouth badging?
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02/20/2006 04:17:32 PM · #15
Does anyone know if they are going to have any other color schemes like the original had? I.E. Lime Green w/ white racing stripes down the middle.
02/20/2006 04:23:35 PM · #16
Originally posted by hokie:

Originally posted by LoudDog:

Originally posted by hokie:

Japanese cars have no heart.

Minus a Skyline here or a Supra Turbo there...very little to be enthusiastic about in japanese automakers. Even their luxury cars are just souless.

I can't see them remaking the latest Mitsubishi or Honda whatchamacallit in 30 years like they are doing with the Challenger, Camaro or Mustang.



I'd disagree with that. There are several japanese cars and trucks (I'd be happy to list them) that are very popular, very loved, and will be considered collectables in 20-30 years if not already.


I would be happy to talk about these japanese cars..I love car talk :-D

But popular and loved don't equal Challenger, Camaro, Mustang.

I watch the Jackson Barrett auto auctions and I am gonna have a hard time believing I will see a Toyota Camry or Honda Accord come across that stage anytime in this century. Now, check out the lowly Duster or Chevy Nova...two pedestrian cars of their era. They are highly coveted. Really, japanese cars are fine transportation but they remind me more of asian consumer electronics thatn automotive magic :-/

And you won't get an argument from me that American automakers are just as lifeless in many of their offerings as the Japanese. Hence why I don't drive either one :-D


Hmmmm. I'd rather have my '72 Datsun 240Z back than any American Muscle car of similar vintage.
02/20/2006 04:24:50 PM · #17
Originally posted by coolhar:

Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:

... I dream of a 1970 Hemi-Cuda Shaker, Plum Crazy Rag Top.

Something like this one but with Plymouth badging?
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yeah but this is a challenger and has the R/T hood and not the shaker but it is plum crazy and a 70 I know the plate sayes it but so does the grill. You cant miss he hemi shaker hood

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Message edited by author 2006-02-20 16:40:14.
02/20/2006 04:38:38 PM · #18
Originally posted by hokie:

Originally posted by LoudDog:

Originally posted by hokie:

Japanese cars have no heart.

Minus a Skyline here or a Supra Turbo there...very little to be enthusiastic about in japanese automakers. Even their luxury cars are just souless.

I can't see them remaking the latest Mitsubishi or Honda whatchamacallit in 30 years like they are doing with the Challenger, Camaro or Mustang.



I'd disagree with that. There are several japanese cars and trucks (I'd be happy to list them) that are very popular, very loved, and will be considered collectables in 20-30 years if not already.


I would be happy to talk about these japanese cars..I love car talk :-D

But popular and loved don't equal Challenger, Camaro, Mustang.

I watch the Jackson Barrett auto auctions and I am gonna have a hard time believing I will see a Toyota Camry or Honda Accord come across that stage anytime in this century. Now, check out the lowly Duster or Chevy Nova...two pedestrian cars of their era. They are highly coveted. Really, japanese cars are fine transportation but they remind me more of asian consumer electronics thatn automotive magic :-/

And you won't get an argument from me that American automakers are just as lifeless in many of their offerings as the Japanese. Hence why I don't drive either one :-D


Four words: Escort, Chevette, Pinto, Caviler.

My Japanese classic or soon to be classic list:
Toyota Supra
Toyota Celica
Datsun 240 or 280Z
All Toyota FJ landcruisers
Not a fan but have a big following - Suzuki Samari
Honda NSX
Mitsibishi Eclipse
Mazda RX-7
80's Toyota trucks
Toyota MR2
I've even seen people collect the original Honda Civic's and Accords.
...and I'm probably missing 42 others.
Plenty of heart, sole and originality.
02/20/2006 04:42:11 PM · #19
Originally posted by LoudDog:

Originally posted by hokie:

Originally posted by LoudDog:

Originally posted by hokie:

Japanese cars have no heart.

Minus a Skyline here or a Supra Turbo there...very little to be enthusiastic about in japanese automakers. Even their luxury cars are just souless.

I can't see them remaking the latest Mitsubishi or Honda whatchamacallit in 30 years like they are doing with the Challenger, Camaro or Mustang.



I'd disagree with that. There are several japanese cars and trucks (I'd be happy to list them) that are very popular, very loved, and will be considered collectables in 20-30 years if not already.


I would be happy to talk about these japanese cars..I love car talk :-D

But popular and loved don't equal Challenger, Camaro, Mustang.

I watch the Jackson Barrett auto auctions and I am gonna have a hard time believing I will see a Toyota Camry or Honda Accord come across that stage anytime in this century. Now, check out the lowly Duster or Chevy Nova...two pedestrian cars of their era. They are highly coveted. Really, japanese cars are fine transportation but they remind me more of asian consumer electronics thatn automotive magic :-/

And you won't get an argument from me that American automakers are just as lifeless in many of their offerings as the Japanese. Hence why I don't drive either one :-D


Four words: Escort, Chevette, Pinto, Caviler.

My Japanese classic or soon to be classic list:
Toyota Supra
Toyota Celica
Datsun 240 or 280Z
All Toyota FJ landcruisers
Not a fan but have a big following - Suzuki Samari
Honda NSX
Mitsibishi Eclipse
Mazda RX-7
80's Toyota trucks
Toyota MR2
I've even seen people collect the original Honda Civic's and Accords.
...and I'm probably missing 42 others.
Plenty of heart, sole and originality.


Datsun 510's

Honda CRX's

Message edited by author 2006-02-20 19:53:13.
02/20/2006 04:49:54 PM · #20
Originally posted by Spazmo99:


Hmmmm. I'd rather have my '72 Datsun 240Z back than any American Muscle car of similar vintage.


DONE!!

I will gladly trade a mint '72 Datsun 240Z for a mint '72 Mustang Mach 1 or a mint '72 Pontiac GTO Judge or a mint '72 Dodge Challenger or Charger.

I can get my hands on a mint '72 Datsun 240Z right now...I could make some money on this deal!
02/20/2006 08:07:40 PM · #21
Originally posted by hokie:

Originally posted by Spazmo99:


Hmmmm. I'd rather have my '72 Datsun 240Z back than any American Muscle car of similar vintage.


DONE!!

I will gladly trade a mint '72 Datsun 240Z for a mint '72 Mustang Mach 1 or a mint '72 Pontiac GTO Judge or a mint '72 Dodge Challenger or Charger.

I can get my hands on a mint '72 Datsun 240Z right now...I could make some money on this deal!


If it's just about money, investing in cars is not a good idea.

If I had my 240Z back, I would not trade it for any of the three cars you mention, regardless of dollar value. It's about a passion for a certain vehicle. That's my point, that the value of a car, to the right individual, transcends dollars. You seem to have missed that. There are people who just love certain cars.

I'll never forget flying down a canyon road in my Z at 110mph, tires stuck like glue, engine growling, punching the gas coming out of some hairpin turn.

BTW, my Z was far from mint, I had a modded L28 engine, triple weber carbs, polished header, 2" straight pipe (no cat), race suspension, etc.
02/20/2006 08:13:40 PM · #22
yep I luv that car, I am getting one definenty. thats so awesome the remake is sweet looks just like the old ones. I am so getting one.
02/20/2006 08:36:21 PM · #23
I am saving my money now for this Challenger



Message edited by author 2006-02-20 20:40:56.
02/20/2006 08:41:30 PM · #24
Ya that looks like a nice car! I wonder what engine that had in it the 5.7 HEMI, or the 6.0. I think its cool they are bringing back the Classic lines of the old Challenger (and not a 4 door only like the Charger.) But comparing the new ones to the old ones is like apples to oranges, 35 years of technoligy has happened. Anyone that says the old muscle cars were the best to drive is dreaming/or has a bad memory:) Skinny bias ply tires, sliding alignment A-arms, fincky carb set ups, they did one thing go fast in a straight line and look good standing on the corner. I will take throttle by wire, ABS, SRS, 4 disc, A data bus talking to the IPC, TCM, PCM, BCM + countless other computers monitoring everything in milli-seconds. Besides the new HEMI's have MDS (Multiple Displacement System) so it has the power on tap, yet gets 22+ MPG:)
02/20/2006 08:45:08 PM · #25
In the real world, unless you only drive it on a wide open freeway at a steady 60MPH, that car is never going to get 22 MPG
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