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02/14/2006 07:53:01 PM · #76
Originally posted by LoudDog:

FUnny that gore's little anti america speach telling the saudi's how they should have all these reasons to hate the US in Saudi doesn't even make the news, but people can't get enough of a simple hunting accident and who told what when???

Also, per Michael Moore, the lawyer is already dead and they are trying to figure out a way to cover it up.

Also interesting why this isn't in rant yet :)


Come on. The real sad part is people trying to defend him and bringing the "damn liberals" are to blame for everything argument.

My take is the WH is likely glad this is taking up everyone’s attention. Seeing that they just got raked over the coals by their own party for the lack of response to Katrina and considering the congress is looking into investigating the VP for authorizing "Scooter" to release classified information for political gain, and considering that we are still losing guys over in Iraq, which isn't going so well you know, and ...... shall I go on.

Your right, it is funny what does not make the news.

Message edited by author 2006-02-14 19:54:12.
02/14/2006 08:07:29 PM · #77
Wonder what is anti america here in west, then what is american in south ! ?
02/14/2006 08:11:19 PM · #78
Does that $7 lawyer hunting stamp have a limit? How much would an oil company excutive stamp go for?
02/14/2006 08:24:58 PM · #79
Originally posted by hyperfocal:

I was "peppered" a few years ago, and my friend who accidently shot me ended up arrested. I wasn't hurt enough to go to the hospital, but "the law" required anyone involved in a shooting take a field sobriety test. My friend had tied one on the night before, and although he denied it, might have had a little "hair of the dog" that morning.

My question is this. If politicians aren't above the law, did Cheney take a field sobriety test? If not why?


Because there is no such law in Texas.

~Terry
02/14/2006 08:28:36 PM · #80
Originally posted by MadMordegon:

Originally posted by GeneralE:

The local police were also not even notified of the incident, nor allowed to interview the perp at the scene ... a rather an unusual step as well.


TIME is saying 20 hours went by without notifying the police. Anyone know the laws on this type of thing?


In Texas the law does not require police notification for hunting accidents unless there is a fatality. According to the news reports I have read and heard, the game commission will collect information for tracking incidents in their databases, but the police do not investigate these types of accidents unless there is evidence that it is not, in fact, an accident.

~Terry
02/14/2006 10:42:03 PM · #81
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:

In Texas the law does not require police notification for hunting accidents unless there is a fatality. According to the news reports I have read and heard, the game commission will collect information for tracking incidents in their databases, but the police do not investigate these types of accidents unless there is evidence that it is not, in fact, an accident.
~Terry


Texas. It has to make you wonder how our country might be different if it had stayed part of Mexico.

Message edited by author 2006-02-14 22:42:13.
02/14/2006 11:13:19 PM · #82
Originally posted by jbsmithana:


Texas. It has to make you wonder how our country might be different if it had stayed part of Mexico.


I think Texas should have just formed their own county.....The Republic of Texas. We would have to put up walls to keep you Yankees out. :)
02/14/2006 11:17:59 PM · #83
Originally posted by Riggs:

Originally posted by jbsmithana:


Texas. It has to make you wonder how our country might be different if it had stayed part of Mexico.


I think Texas should have just formed their own county.....The Republic of Texas. We would have to put up walls to keep you Yankees out. :)


That's exactly what they DID do; it was a republic before it became a state. The Texans seceded from Mexico and formed a republic in, I believe, 1835 or 1836.

R.
02/14/2006 11:23:25 PM · #84
It was 1836, they named the new Soccer team in Houston "1836"

It did not go over well, name will be changed soon.
02/14/2006 11:36:57 PM · #85
No offense meant to the people who live there, hell, my neighbor is a born and bread Texan and we are pretty good buddies. Retired up here, go figure.

Just seems like weird stuff and weird politics come out of there.
02/14/2006 11:44:36 PM · #86
Originally posted by jbsmithana:

No offense meant to the people who live there, hell, my neighbor is a born and bread Texan and we are pretty good buddies. Retired up here, go figure.

Just seems like weird stuff and weird politics come out of there.


No doubt about that, no offence taken...I was just messing.
02/15/2006 12:13:07 AM · #87
Originally posted by BrennanOB:

Apparently one of the pellets shifted and contacted the heart, and caused the shooting victim to have a heart attack. Looks like the results of this breach of hunting rules might get more serious than was originally thought. Wasn't this a flesh wound yesterday? Hmmm, why does this sound familiar. link.

Being an ER RN, there are a few things that make me wonder on what facts are and are not being reported/worded and how that is being done. I am also an avid outdoorsman and hunter and had my Hunters Safety card (renewed with classes occassionaly) since I was about 7 years old.
One, if a piece of the shot from a 28 gauge 7 1/2 shot shell was able to penetrate through the skin, get by the ribs, musculature, and ligaments and tendons, penetrating into the chest cavity...then it happened closer than 30 yards. I have been hit with 12 gauge 3 inch High Velocity 4 shot at 40 yards and just stung like a bitch across my left side. No skin penetration.
If you do not understand any of this...28 gauge gun is almost what a small child hunts with, in relation to weight and "kick" and 7 1/2 shot is about half the size of a BB. It does come out of the muzzle around 1200 fps. 12 gauge is much bigger barreled gun and more powerful because the gunpowder load can be larger. 4 shot is maybe like 3/4 the size of a BB.
Two, if they knew that there was a piece of shot that actually did get through, and it was that close to the heart, there is no way they would leave it there. They would surgically remove it.
Three, atrial fibrillation can be caused by an irritable foci, which could be from this shot...ok
Four, people with atrial fibrillation do not go to the Cath Lab. People with myocardial infarctions do. They report that he had a silent MI (no pain)...ok. Coincidence that he had an infarct while in the hospital? Atrial fibrillation can happen after infarction. So which came first. Atrial fibrillation can cause damage to the heart, but usually ischemic and not infarction. The RN's would have been aware of this due to the fact that his heart was monitored and any changes from what is "normal" gets all the machines screaming. And if he had uncontrolled atrial fibrillation, in which the heart rate runs over 120 beats per minute for a long amount of time, yes the heart gets tired, but he would have shown symptoms.
Five, people go to the cath lab to have blockages "fixed"/removed so that they can get that area of the heart reperfused. Not to fix atrial fibrillation. Yes, the cath lab is used to "burn" irritable foci in the heart, but these are usually after all other (medications, vagal manuevers, synchronized cardioversion, etc) are tired. And not over a few hours. So this makes me think that he had a pre-existing condition.
Just things that apperently reported wrong or omitted or who knows anymore.
By the way. Cheney is in the WRONG. He is responsible for HIS gun, where it is pointed, what it is pointed at, identifying what you are shooting and when it goes off! PERIOD. It was an accident. People get pelted and shot (even by themselves-with richocet) more often than you think, with shotgun pellets. At a distance it is usually no biggy, but close can be deadly. You can't take his guns! Texas can take his license, but I doubt it, and I also I doubt if it happens often, unless death or VERY gross negligence. He definitely needs to go back to Hunters Safety class.
02/15/2006 12:19:49 AM · #88
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

That's exactly what they DID do; it was a republic before it became a state. The Texans seceded from Mexico and formed a republic in, I believe, 1835 or 1836.

R.

Didn't that involve a little fracas at the Alamo? You'd think people would remember that.
02/15/2006 12:24:42 AM · #89
By the way...I am hearing all this bitching about who and what was notified when, etc. WHO CARES!! Yes it is the Vice Presidnet, but there is nothing anywhere that says he or his staff should report to the media, or really anyone else if you ask me. This was on his personal time, right.
Flash into anchorman on TV "Big update on Dick Cheney at this moment!! Just coming in! I have it from the White House Staff that not more than one hour ago, Vice President Cheney dropped a very large crap in the Lincoln bedroom toilet. That is right, he cut the cable, dropped a load, blew the two cheeks to the Poles. The stool in question is being examnined. And yes! There is corn in it! We are not sure where the corn has come from, because we have no reliable witnesses that have seen him eat corn in over 5 days. Stay tuned for the 10 o'clock news.
02/15/2006 12:29:07 AM · #90
Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

That's exactly what they DID do; it was a republic before it became a state. The Texans seceded from Mexico and formed a republic in, I believe, 1835 or 1836.

R.

Didn't that involve a little fracas at the Alamo? You'd think people would remember that.


Why would you try to make a fool of me? Your are SC.
I knew what happened. You want me to fight...I wont do it.

02/15/2006 12:39:49 AM · #91
Originally posted by dacrazyrn:

"Big update on Dick Cheney at this moment!! Just coming in! I have it from the White House Staff that not more than one hour ago, Vice President Cheney dropped a very large crap in the Lincoln bedroom toilet.


Shush, you're disclosing the location of the undisclosed location where Cheney hides out when he's convinced Osama is in DC.
02/15/2006 12:40:25 AM · #92
Originally posted by Riggs:

Why would you try to make a fool of me? Your are SC.
I knew what happened. You want me to fight...I wont do it.

Not meant that way at all ... sorry : (
02/15/2006 12:41:51 AM · #93
I was at the Alamo in December (down for the NCAA Women's Volleyball Final Four)and got some interesting night shots. Pretty small place with a really big rep.

Tracy - some pretty interesting inconsistencies. I wondered about the cath lab myself. Maybe they were looking for pellets?
02/15/2006 12:50:24 AM · #94
Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by Riggs:

Why would you try to make a fool of me? Your are SC.
I knew what happened. You want me to fight...I wont do it.

Not meant that way at all ... sorry : (


No sweat. Little testy on this side.

I need an advil and sleep. Sorry man.
02/15/2006 12:50:25 AM · #95
I like how they say that the heart attack caused no pain. If you are an elderly gent who has been pleted with shot from your face to your hip, I belive you might be in just a touch of pain in the chest area.
I think they usually let the pelets alone untill they can detemine that the risks of going in don't outweigh the risks of the shot itself.

02/15/2006 01:06:12 AM · #96
Originally posted by jbsmithana:

Maybe they were looking for pellets?

Unless one got into an artery or vein....nah. But this trouble would have been clear very early with internal bleeding and the symptoms that come with that.
Brennan-there are MI's without pain, I think I understand that maybe all that shot peppered in him, made him not feel any other. :) Kind of like the "old wives tale" of wearing real small shoes, so that your feet hurt and you ignore what ever else is bothering you. :)

Message edited by author 2006-02-15 01:08:16.
02/15/2006 02:26:05 PM · #97
Yeah ... when you've had 4 Natty Lights it's easy to miss.
The point is that humans can certainly find better ways to pollute the air, soil and water than lead pellets ... try OIL! :>

Originally posted by Spazmo99:

Originally posted by metatate:



Hunting little "game" birds is a big human using a big gun to shoot little tiny bird - and it's almost impossible to miss because you're "spraying" the sky with shrapnell ...



How do you know? Have you ever tried it? There are a lot more misses than hits. You really shouldn't spout off unless you have some clue what you're talking about.

02/15/2006 02:39:09 PM · #98
Originally posted by dacrazyrn:

Originally posted by jbsmithana:

Maybe they were looking for pellets?

Unless one got into an artery or vein....nah. But this trouble would have been clear very early with internal bleeding and the symptoms that come with that.
Brennan-there are MI's without pain, I think I understand that maybe all that shot peppered in him, made him not feel any other. :) Kind of like the "old wives tale" of wearing real small shoes, so that your feet hurt and you ignore what ever else is bothering you. :)

According to one report I heard, the heart attack was triggered by the inflammatory response to the pellet near the heart, not by any action of the pellet itself. It apparently showed up on lab results or monitoring equipment, not as pain (probably because there was no infarct).

FWIW here's a limerick on BBs.
02/15/2006 03:02:10 PM · #99
Mike Luckovich (editorial cartoonist) shows no mercy.

(this link may only work for today)
02/15/2006 04:09:07 PM · #100
Originally posted by metatate:

Yeah ... when you've had 4 Natty Lights it's easy to miss.
The point is that humans can certainly find better ways to pollute the air, soil and water than lead pellets ... try OIL! :>

Originally posted by Spazmo99:

Originally posted by metatate:



Hunting little "game" birds is a big human using a big gun to shoot little tiny bird - and it's almost impossible to miss because you're "spraying" the sky with shrapnell ...



How do you know? Have you ever tried it? There are a lot more misses than hits. You really shouldn't spout off unless you have some clue what you're talking about.


Your ignorance of the matter is evident.
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