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02/10/2006 12:04:18 PM · #1
I never thought I would start a Rant thread, but I am very irritated.

I am SO SICK of the division in politics. The whole "my side it right & yours is wrong" The only thing worse then the people who think George Bush is a saint, are those who think he is evil incarnate!
He is NETIHER. Clinton was NEITHER.
Our country should not be like a football game, where you cheer for one team a boo the other. The only reason I am so disgusted with the democratic party, is because instead of trying to work with the administration, they attack it. This is no praise for the Republicans by the way. My complaint here is not with what side of the issues these people are on, but with the way they handle them.
I don't think there is ANY excuse for personal attacks in politics, be it against the President himself, or someone he nominates for a position. It was wrong when it was done during the Clinton Administration and it is wrong now.

I see our country falling apart over this. Democrats & Republicans are so busy fighting each other, that nothing is being done to help resolve the serious problems are country has, like social security & immigration and a million other things. It seems that if one party proposes something, the other side immediately attacks it. There is no compromise anymore. It is not just the people in power though, because the media and the voters play right along.

What this country really needs, is to either get rid of the political party system all together, or we need to get more of them strong enough so that we don't have this divided 50/50 split.

Ok, I am done.
02/10/2006 12:15:20 PM · #2
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Message edited by author 2006-02-10 12:15:38.
02/10/2006 12:51:49 PM · #3
So lets all vote for the 3rd party next time :)
02/10/2006 12:59:45 PM · #4
That's why I've taken the position of (here comes the Star Wars Geek in me) "they're politicians and not to be trusted."

Good point Jeanie, I'll second your motion. I'm sure our founding fathers would be quite displeased with politician's behavior in this day and age.
02/10/2006 01:19:12 PM · #5
Originally posted by naldslc:

I'm sure our founding fathers would be quite displeased with politician's behavior in this day and age.


In the Founding Fathers days, there was no such thing as a professional politician. The whole IDEA was that citizens of probity would serve their country sequentially, then go back to their lives. We've wandered far afield of that, sigh...

R.
02/10/2006 01:22:36 PM · #6
Sorry to have to tell you, we have three main parties ( and the Lib dems have just scorched the Labour party in a by-election!) and it is no different here!
P
02/10/2006 01:26:13 PM · #7
Agreed 100%

The problem is most politicians are bored rich people or people looking to get rich as a politician. That and most have been at it so long that it has become a game to them.

If I were running the show... Politicians pay would be the average salary of the area they represent. This way, if they do a good job, they get a raise. If not, they don't. It's crazy to think that our "public servents" elected to represent us get paid six figures with the best benefit and retriement package around. There would also be term limits for senate and congress. No one should be in that position 20-30 years!

Put some average joes and janes in there and things will get done.
02/10/2006 01:30:00 PM · #8
Originally posted by naldslc:

I'm sure our founding fathers would be quite displeased with politician's behavior in this day and age.


Unlikely. From Wikipedia- "Due to the vagaries of the pre-12th Amendment electoral process, even though Jefferson failed to become President, he did become Vice President. For the next four years, Jefferson was able to use his position as President of the Senate as a platform to protest the policies of the Adams administration."

Sound familiar?
02/10/2006 01:36:06 PM · #9
Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by naldslc:

I'm sure our founding fathers would be quite displeased with politician's behavior in this day and age.


Unlikely. From Wikipedia- "Due to the vagaries of the pre-12th Amendment electoral process, even though Jefferson failed to become President, he did become Vice President. For the next four years, Jefferson was able to use his position as President of the Senate as a platform to protest the policies of the Adams administration."

Sound familiar?


Originally posted by Bear_Music:

In the Founding Fathers days, there was no such thing as a professional politician. The whole IDEA was that citizens of probity would serve their country sequentially, then go back to their lives. We've wandered far afield of that, sigh...

R.


Point taken.

Still, I'll stick to Obi Wan's comment and keep hoping that someday we'll figure out the whole Jedi mind trick deal. ;)
02/10/2006 03:32:40 PM · #10
Perhaps this "article" will cheer everyone up : )
02/10/2006 03:52:02 PM · #11
HA! No kidding thats funny! Where is George Orwell when you need him?
02/10/2006 03:55:27 PM · #12
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:

Where is George Orwell when you need him?


Under surveillance, no doubt.
02/10/2006 03:56:46 PM · #13
LMAO
02/10/2006 04:13:57 PM · #14
Originally posted by naldslc:

Originally posted by scalvert:

[quote=naldslc]I'm sure our founding fathers would be quite displeased with politician's behavior in this day and age.


Unlikely. From Wikipedia- "Due to the vagaries of the pre-12th Amendment electoral process, even though Jefferson failed to become President, he did become Vice President. For the next four years, Jefferson was able to use his position as President of the Senate as a platform to protest the policies of the Adams administration."

Sound familiar?


Don't trust Wikipedia!!!
Look at this link
02/10/2006 05:31:25 PM · #15
Originally posted by Riponlady:


Don't trust Wikipedia!!!
Look at this link


To not trust Wikipedia, which was recently compaired with Britanica and was as good or better in the sciences, because some US politicans edit their own and others profiles (which there has been major blow back from within Wiki; see this page) is no good.

It's to be expected US politicians would stoop to using a great technology for propaganda. But don't discount Wiki just for that.
02/10/2006 06:06:35 PM · #16
Originally posted by GeneralE:

Perhaps this "article" will cheer everyone up : )

Hahahaha, I loved this:

"Thank you for your interest in the NSA SETI @ Home program. There is no need to enter your name, e-mail address, street address, or your telephone number. We already have all of that. Your software has already been installed on your computer, and began operating approximately seven (7) minutes ago. Be hearing you!"

And the disclaimer:

"Any resemblance to a real government organization is unintentional, and scary."

Thanks for the laugh, General.

Message edited by author 2006-02-10 18:19:37.
02/17/2006 04:33:58 PM · #17
However, this essay will likely make you sick again ... : (
02/23/2006 06:59:00 PM · #18
i think much of the "with us or against us" attitude can be blamed on the current administration. i still remember how it was right after 9/11, the kind of hostility that was placed on anyone who didn't agree with everything, the kind of message bush gave to the world about what he felt about people that didn't agree with his entire agenda. he left no room for grey area, it's either you agree with the war on iraq or God hates you. and of course his agenda included the patriot act, something very few americans actually knew about, and still do not know. truthout is an awesome site to learn stuff about what the government doesn't want you to know. a site worth looking at for haters, and especially lovers, of the current administration is //afterdowningstreet.org/
02/23/2006 07:59:15 PM · #19
I can only hope that Americans will begin to change. Although we are supposed to be one of the most educated countries, we have firmly become anti-intellectual. It becomes a matter of image instead of content, personality rather than character, and listening to what we want to hear instead of searching for the truth.

Politicians are what they are because we allow it: one hand on the bible while the other is in the till, say it enough times and it will become true, a catchy word or phrase that will stick in peoples' minds, politicians never listen to polls - just their advisers listen to polls so they can shape the message - and politicians listen to their advisers and stay on message, weather the storm or change the subject and most will forget, if someone disagrees discredit them, fear is better than having to explain, go for the quick fix and positive personal boost leaving the real or tough solution for when it becomes a crisis.

I am sorry but compromise is not the solution. Three parties that all have the same type of politicians is not the solution. Not getting frustrated, not becoming disillusioned, not looking for the quick or easy fix but paying attention for the long haul is the only way to keep all the politicians' feet to the fire. I am sorry, but they should be responsible for their decisions and if they make bad ones they NEED to be fired (voted out). One of the reasons there is an arrogance of power these days is that almost no politician gets voted out of office - the system has been redesigned so that incumbants have a clear advantage and they have access to the money necessary to stay in office.
02/23/2006 08:05:20 PM · #20
Bush/Gore Second Presidential Debate October 11, 2000

LEHRER: Governor Bush, the first question goes to you. One of you is about to be elected the leader of the single most powerful nation in the world, economically, financially, militarily, diplomatically, you name it. Have you formed any guiding principles for exercising this enormous power?

BUSH: I have. I have. The first question is what's in the best interests of the United States. What's in the best interests of our people? When it comes to foreign policy that'll be my guiding question. Is it in our nation's interests? Peace in the Middle East is in our nation's interests. Having a hemisphere that is free for trade and peaceful is in our nation's interests. Strong relations in Europe is in our nation's interests.

I've thought a lot about what it means to be the president. I also understand that an administration is not one person, but an administration is dedicated citizens who are called by the president to serve the country, to serve a cause greater than self. And so I've thought about an administration of people who represent all America, but people who understand my compassionate and conservative philosophy. I haven't started naming names except for one person, and that's Mr. Richard Cheney, who I thought did a great job the other night. He's a vice presidential nominee who represents, who, I think people got to see why I picked him. He's a man of solid judgment and he's going to be a person to stand by my side.

One of the things I've done in Texas is I've been able to put together a good team of people. I've been able to set clear goals. The goals ought to be an education system that leaves no child behind, Medicare for our seniors, a Social Security system that's safe and secure, foreign policy that's in our nation's interest, and a strong military, and then bring people together to achieve those goals. That's what a chief executive officer does. So I've thought long and hard about the honor and -- of being the president of the United States.

LEHRER: Vice President Gore.

GORE: Yes, Jim, I've thought a lot about that particular question and I see our greatest national strength coming from what we stand for in the world. I see it as a question of values. It is a great tribute to our founders that 224 years later this nation is now looked to by the peoples on every other continent and the peoples from every part of this earth as a kind of model for what their future could be. And I don't think that's just the kind of exaggeration that we take pride in as Americans, it's really true. Even the ones that sometimes shake their fists at us. As soon as they have a change that allows the people to speak freely, they're wanting to develop some kind of blueprint that will help them be like us more: freedom, free markets, political freedom.

So I think first and foremost our power ought to be wielded in ways that form a more perfect union. The power of example is America's greatest power in the world. And that means, for example, standing up for human rights. It means addressing the problems of injustice and inequity along lines of race and ethnicity here at home because in all these other places around the world where they're having these terrible problems when they feel hope it is often because they see in us a reflection of their potential. So we've got to enforce our civil rights laws. We've got to deal with things like racial profiling. And we have to keep our military strong. We have the strongest military. And I'll do whatever is necessary, if I'm president, to make sure that it stays that way. But our real power comes, I think, from our values.

I know this is a little long, but from this 'taste' you can decide if you want to read the whole debate.

//www.fas.org/news/usa/2000/usa-001011.htm
02/23/2006 08:07:52 PM · #21
Originally posted by MadMordegon:

Originally posted by Riponlady:


Don't trust Wikipedia!!!
Look at this link


To not trust Wikipedia, which was recently compaired with Britanica and was as good or better in the sciences, because some US politicans edit their own and others profiles (which there has been major blow back from within Wiki; see this page) is no good.

It's to be expected US politicians would stoop to using a great technology for propaganda. But don't discount Wiki just for that.


I like wikipedia and use it often to get some quick facts but I think it's a mistake to take anything said there as gospel. After all there is little to stop people from posting erroneous information (willingly or not) since anybody can add content to the site and do so with anonymity. At least that's how it was prior to a recent situation involving a bio of a reporter who was listed as having ties to nazism (if I recall) and that was just put there as a joke.

Message edited by author 2006-02-23 20:08:59.
02/23/2006 08:11:42 PM · #22
Originally posted by risu81:



I know this is a little long, but from this 'taste' you can decide if you want to read the whole debate.

//www.fas.org/news/usa/2000/usa-001011.htm


Nahh. If I'm going to read fiction I like for it to be interesting. :)
02/23/2006 08:22:51 PM · #23
Originally posted by dudephil:

Originally posted by risu81:



I know this is a little long, but from this 'taste' you can decide if you want to read the whole debate.

//www.fas.org/news/usa/2000/usa-001011.htm


Nahh. If I'm going to read fiction I like for it to be interesting. :)


I feel the same way. ;)

//www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/01/20020129-11.html

//www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/01/20030128-19.html
02/23/2006 08:30:08 PM · #24
Originally posted by risu81:

Originally posted by dudephil:

Originally posted by risu81:



I know this is a little long, but from this 'taste' you can decide if you want to read the whole debate.

//www.fas.org/news/usa/2000/usa-001011.htm


Nahh. If I'm going to read fiction I like for it to be interesting. :)


I feel the same way. ;)

//www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/01/20020129-11.html

//www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/01/20030128-19.html


Don't forget these either:

State of the Union

And another
02/23/2006 08:53:48 PM · #25
What we really need is a source of Truth, Fairness, and Open-mindedness. ;)

Message edited by author 2006-02-23 20:54:08.
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