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02/08/2006 05:50:01 AM · #1
The results for the 'Off-Centered Subject II' challenge have been recalculated, due to the image formerly in 139th place has been disqualified under the 'major elements' rule.
02/08/2006 06:06:02 AM · #2
Congrats to the new 139th place winner!!!
02/08/2006 06:40:26 AM · #3
Originally posted by Manic:

The results for the 'Off-Centered Subject II' challenge have been recalculated, due to the image formerly in 139th place has been disqualified under the 'major elements' rule.


I'm sorry, but you will have to explain the Major Elements thing to me again. Was it the little bird or the tips of the power poles. Everything else was cropped out.
02/08/2006 06:52:25 AM · #4
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Original cropped to the size to be used for the entry before any other editing.

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Image entered in challenge.

Major elements?
02/08/2006 06:55:07 AM · #5
It was the addition of motion blur that was determined by the SC to be a major element of the photograph which wasn't present in the original.
02/08/2006 07:02:06 AM · #6
Originally posted by Manic:

It was the addition of motion blur that was determined by the SC to be a major element of the photograph which wasn't present in the original.


I thought motion blur was allowed in Advanced editing.
02/08/2006 07:18:34 AM · #7
Motion blur that's all ready there can be enhanced.

In this case, there was no blur at all, so adding the blur created an element that was not present, hence major element of the shot.
02/08/2006 07:33:42 AM · #8
This gets stricter by the challenge !!
Its about time we had a definitive rule on this.
02/08/2006 07:40:00 AM · #9
Originally posted by Falc:

This gets stricter by the challenge !!
Its about time we had a definitive rule on this.


There is a definitive rule ! the problem begins with the SC interpretation of the rule and the fact that it is not always the same SC members who vote on the DQ request.
02/08/2006 08:05:32 AM · #10
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hrmm
02/08/2006 08:07:57 AM · #11
Originally posted by deapee:

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hrmm


I think it may often depend on WHO is doing the blurring.
02/08/2006 08:09:55 AM · #12
That's what I said...and why I said there is no reason that the site council needs to see who's entry they are voting on when voting.
02/08/2006 08:14:24 AM · #13
Originally posted by nsbca7:

Originally posted by deapee:

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hrmm


I think it may often depend on WHO is doing the blurring.


I don't think its who is doing the blur, just that interpretation is changing and not consistent. My image has just as much blur as some of the later ones, but was less strictly enforced. I do think its about time we knew once and for all just where the line is drawn and that there is no more interpretation of a very indistinct rule.

One more question - if motion blur is to be the cause of DQ, what about gaussian blur and other very widely used filters? - disallow the use of one and you must disallow the use of all.

My thought is that the rules are being much to strictly enforced, but then I would say that wouldn't I ;-)
02/08/2006 08:16:53 AM · #14
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So what Is "major element"? The added blur (that was not there before editing) constitutes more then 2/3 on both images. The blur in the image below constitutes less the 5%. Major element? Please explain this again.

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I'm not really complaining because this image actually came in fairly low, but just for reference on what I can and cannot do in the future.

Message edited by author 2006-02-08 08:18:52.
02/08/2006 08:26:57 AM · #15
I would think this probably has more to do with the rash of crap I gave the SC over the Rant forum the other day then any actual major element.

Message edited by author 2006-02-08 08:28:06.
02/08/2006 08:35:20 AM · #16
Filters: At your discretion, you may apply filters to your photo, in whole or part. (Be aware that extensively altering the "look" of your photograph with an "effects" filter is often not well received by voters.)

As the main part of the blur was added with the Wind filter in Photoshop how does the editing of this image not fall under this rule?
02/08/2006 08:36:12 AM · #17
SC gets awful quiet.
02/08/2006 08:36:51 AM · #18
One thing, each rule is not a stand alone. It is interpreted/applied in conjunction with all the other rules.
02/08/2006 08:37:22 AM · #19
Originally posted by cpanaioti:

One thing, each rule is not a stand alone. It is interpreted/applied in conjunction with all the other rules.


So explain it to me.
02/08/2006 08:38:33 AM · #20
Originally posted by nsbca7:

Originally posted by cpanaioti:

One thing, each rule is not a stand alone. It is interpreted/applied in conjunction with all the other rules.


So explain it to me.


Explain what? How all the rules are linked together?

edit: BTW, I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with the SC decision.
Just stating that the rules are a set and can't be taken one at a time at the discretion of the photographer while ignoring the rest of the set.

Message edited by author 2006-02-08 08:39:59.
02/08/2006 08:39:23 AM · #21
how was the rest of the blur done ??

Originally posted by nsbca7:

Filters: At your discretion, you may apply filters to your photo, in whole or part. (Be aware that extensively altering the "look" of your photograph with an "effects" filter is often not well received by voters.)

As the main part of the blur was added with the Wind filter in Photoshop how does the editing of this image not fall under this rule?
02/08/2006 08:41:14 AM · #22
Originally posted by cpanaioti:

Originally posted by nsbca7:

Originally posted by cpanaioti:

One thing, each rule is not a stand alone. It is interpreted/applied in conjunction with all the other rules.


So explain it to me.


Explain what? How all the rules are linked together?

edit: BTW, I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with the SC decision.


Explain how the editing of the Red Dawn image was interpreted/applied in conjunction with all the other rules to be disqualified.
02/08/2006 08:42:25 AM · #23
Originally posted by nsbca7:

Originally posted by cpanaioti:

Originally posted by nsbca7:

Originally posted by cpanaioti:

One thing, each rule is not a stand alone. It is interpreted/applied in conjunction with all the other rules.


So explain it to me.


Explain what? How all the rules are linked together?

edit: BTW, I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with the SC decision.


Explain how the editing of the Red Dawn image was interpreted/applied in conjunction with all the other rules to be disqualified.


It's not up to me. Have an SC member explain it. They did mention major elements.
02/08/2006 08:47:55 AM · #24
[quote=Di] how was the rest of the blur done ??

Several layers of the jet were overlapped to insure I would still be able to retrieve detail in the jet where I wanted it after the I added the Wind filter. Following the application of the Wind filter blur was added the areas distorted by that action. These areas were selected and smoothed with Glausien Blur and the Cloning tool.
02/08/2006 08:48:35 AM · #25
Originally posted by cpanaioti:

Originally posted by nsbca7:

Originally posted by cpanaioti:

Originally posted by nsbca7:

Originally posted by cpanaioti:

One thing, each rule is not a stand alone. It is interpreted/applied in conjunction with all the other rules.


So explain it to me.


Explain what? How all the rules are linked together?

edit: BTW, I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with the SC decision.


Explain how the editing of the Red Dawn image was interpreted/applied in conjunction with all the other rules to be disqualified.


It's not up to me. Have an SC member explain it. They did mention major elements.


Then why did you bring it up?
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