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02/08/2006 08:10:04 AM · #26 |
Angela
I will be flamed by those who this is aimed at but so what...I think the trolls voted 1 because they had the power. They didn't consider the quality of the photograph, any message which may have been contained within it or even a connection with the challenge title. Let's just assume they are all religious cultists and presumably the peculiar morality of their bizarre cults won't let them enjoy a well presented photograph because it shows skin and chains.
For what it is worth, I gave the picture a 7. I found the model's pose a tiny bit awkward which might have knocked a point off and I found the lighting a little too harsh but that could be down to the crappy contrast on this monitor.
If you want to play safe, point your camera at dogs, cats, babies or the other dull subjects that draw marginally above average marks. If you want to continue to challenge yourself and the viewers of your work, keep doing what you are doing.
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02/08/2006 08:21:56 AM · #27 |
| I received one 1 on my Blue entry if I read it right. |
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02/08/2006 08:22:29 AM · #28 |
I have to agree with this...
I voted it a 5, the lighting, the harsh shadows, the hair in the face and the awkward pose didnt help the photo.
Originally posted by sabphoto:
Originally posted by Artyste:
You've also entered the realm of perceived sexual abuse here.. and abuse against women. Nobody could know it was a woman taking the shot, and I doubt many thought it might have been a self-portrait. Even out of those that did, I can imagine many found it to be in poor taste.. given the fact that abuse against women is a very real and scary thing.
So you got a lot of 1s because you have very controversial subject matter, a subject that only ties into the challenge on a personal level and misses with most of the voters, and, to be frank, a photo that doesn't have a large amount of technical prowess.
You also got a lot of higher scores.
It's all about mass appeal.
This shot simply didn't have it, and as a kick in the teeth, was of a subject matter that *many* people find offensive. |
I agree, the image probably made people cringe. I'm willing to bet that if the subject had been tied up in bed with a satin rope with more of a seductive look it would have scored a lot higher. Someone in the position your subject is in just screams abuse but put them in bed and it appears more romantic...I'm not saying this is "right" but that's what I see. |
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02/08/2006 08:22:44 AM · #29 |
Originally posted by Mustardhead:
Angela
I will be flamed by those who this is aimed at but so what...I think the trolls voted 1 because they had the power. They didn't consider the quality of the photograph, any message which may have been contained within it or even a connection with the challenge title. Let's just assume they are all religious cultists and presumably the peculiar morality of their bizarre cults won't let them enjoy a well presented photograph because it shows skin and chains.Roger |
When a photo is being judged by a large group of people, you have to expect people's personal ideas and opinions are going to play a part. I am not saying this is necessarily ok, but it needs to be considered regardless.
Any shot that is controversial seems to wind up with a large number of 10's and 1's, based on the beliefs of the voters. It may not be right, but when submitting a shot that could be considered controversial, it needs to expected, fair or not.
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02/08/2006 08:28:00 AM · #30 |
I gave you an 8.
The image is powerful and provocative. As for romance, that's in the eye of the beholder. I can see romance here.
But then my friends call me perverted. ;)
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02/09/2006 08:56:38 AM · #31 |
Originally posted by Mustardhead:
...Let's just assume they are all religious cultists and presumably the peculiar morality of their bizarre cults won't let them enjoy a well presented photograph because it shows skin and chains.
... If you want to play safe, point your camera at dogs, cats, babies or the other dull subjects that draw marginally above average marks. ... |
Funny - but that looks like skin on the second place ribbon winner for the Romance challenge? ;^)
Tastefully done, a sexually provocative shot can do well.
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02/09/2006 10:16:03 AM · #32 |
| If it's any consolation, I had 42 1s on my Nude III entry. :-/ LOL |
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02/09/2006 10:23:30 AM · #33 |
I got 105 ones on my Shoe Art :)
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02/09/2006 10:35:24 AM · #34 |
I got 9 1's on my BlueII
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02/09/2006 10:36:07 AM · #35 |
Originally posted by senoj:
I got 105 ones on my Shoe Art :)
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But then, you kind of deserved it, didn't you?
Best wishes,
Jim
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02/09/2006 10:36:19 AM · #36 |
Originally posted by senoj:
I got 105 ones on my Shoe Art :)
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Ok you beat me by a long shot...why is it that people have to vote ones...come on people!! Support one another don't hinder... |
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02/09/2006 10:50:38 AM · #37 |
Seems to me what you created is great art because it provoked so much emotion in the voters. All those 1's might as well be 10's by the response you are getting to the image. I loved it and voted a 9. I love the pose and the harsh light it makes me feel excited and agitated at the same time. I should have given it a 10. Keep on doing what your doing. I cant wait for the next image.
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02/09/2006 10:52:24 AM · #38 |
I for one, scored it low (big suprise for those who know me, I know)
I don't find that romance is really heavily involved in BDSM, but to each their own. (Okay, in reality if feel that BDSM is a substitute for actual romance, a lack of emotional connection to sex and is purely about physical gratification. How could one actually find that romantic? Enticing, evocative, alluring, sexy, erotic, whatever, but not romantic.)
It also seemed that the entire shot depended upon the nudity, not on any finer technical aspects of lighting or composition that I know you're capable of. If you're going to go gritty, then go really gtitty. If not make the light dramatic, make the look voyeuristic. Maybe I missed something when I voted and looked through the results (and I'm at work right now, so not bringing that up here)...
I usually get a sense that such shots are more about the shock effect than the artistry anyays, maybe I'm prejudiced.
Of course, 10 years ago, I would have scored this a 10. But I doubt I was in the mindset to look at this as art back then. |
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02/09/2006 11:03:52 AM · #39 |
I got 18 ones, and a comment that my model wasn't young enough to be romantic. Now that's offensive!
I voted yours a 7. Roses and chocolates generally got 4s from me, since they only addressed the challenge in a superficial way. I don't go below 4 unless something is definitely wrong or DNMC with the picture. I find the #2 shot more sexist than yours, and since it is the sex act it certainly is not about romance (whereas yours is a sort of foreplay/seduction and therefore much more recognizable as romantic), but I gave it a 6 because it was technically well done.
p.s. despite fewer ones, my score was lower than yours. I think this was more for technical reasons than subject matter, so I'm not complaining. yet.
Message edited by author 2006-02-09 11:06:24. |
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02/09/2006 11:10:02 AM · #40 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
... I find the #2 shot more sexist than yours, and since it is the sex act it certainly is not about romance (whereas yours is a sort of foreplay/seduction and therefore much more recognizable as romantic) ... |
Amazing the variance in view points. Have to love diversity and the value of opinions. ;^)
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02/09/2006 11:18:21 AM · #41 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Amazing the variance in view points. Have to love diversity and the value of opinions. ;^) |
Unfortunately, many people choose NOT to love diversity. And since I seem to represent diversity at the moment, I'd like to ask the mainstream, what exactly IS romantic about a picture of the missionary position? |
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02/09/2006 11:21:11 AM · #42 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Amazing the variance in view points. Have to love diversity and the value of opinions. ;^) |
Unfortunately, many people choose NOT to love diversity. And since I seem to represent diversity at the moment, I'd like to ask the mainstream, what exactly IS romantic about a picture of the missionary position? |
Well, in reverse one could ask the same about chains, ropes, and bondage...
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02/09/2006 11:54:36 AM · #43 |
I think even setting aside the controversial -- or even technical nature of Angela's photo, photography is so subjective. . its all about what touches and appeals to a person. I guess when you remember that we are trying to win a photo contest each week, and the judges are us -- then our chances of winning depend on submitting photos that appeal to the judges. If we just want to display our work and get feedback, that's a different matter, and one should definitely be more open minded about that BUT for contests. . .its all about the judge's appeal.
I didn't give Angelas's photo a low score at all, but as soon as I saw it, I could tell it was one where the majority of the judges weren't going to see it as a winning photo.
Ok. . I'll shut up now. .that's my 2-cents :)
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02/09/2006 11:54:54 AM · #44 |
| I thinks this needs a BUMP |
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02/09/2006 11:58:54 AM · #45 |
Fair enough. One of the problems here is that Romance has come to mean so many things that its definition has become highly subjective.
Yea, though I represent diversity, I shall use Merriam Webster here for a definition:
1 a (1) : a medieval tale based on legend, chivalric love and adventure, or the supernatural (2) : a prose narrative treating imaginary characters involved in events remote in time or place and usually heroic, adventurous, or mysterious (3) : a love story b : a class of such literature
2 : something (as an extravagant story or account) that lacks basis in fact
3 : an emotional attraction or aura belonging to an especially heroic era, adventure, or activity
4 : LOVE AFFAIR
5 capitalized : the Romance languages
Wow, even Webster seems to be having some difficulty here. Number 3, perhaps? Or Number 1: in such love stories, you will see plenty of examples of the helplessness of the heroine, which is well represented in Angela's picture. You will also see examples of the rescue of the heroine. This is well implied by Angela's picture, at least the need for rescue. And this goes for chains, ropes and bondage in general.
When faced with a lover who is all tied up, you can play the villain or the hero. Each has a part to play in the romance.
Now someone answer my question. |
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02/09/2006 12:11:56 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
... Now someone answer my question. |
What was the question again? ;^)
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02/09/2006 12:16:18 PM · #47 |
Not sure what your question is. I gave your shot a 4. I didn't like the lighting or the blur/movement of her hair, and her expression didn't seem romantic. I think an adult model of any age (and in some cases children too) can look romantic. Your idea was good, and I think softer lighting and maybe even softer focus would have helped create a romantic feel.
For me, sex is different than romance, and I find bondage offensive. (No, I am not a religious zealot, but I do have a somewhat conservative set of morals and values.) |
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02/09/2006 12:25:39 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
Unfortunately, many people choose NOT to love diversity. And since I seem to represent diversity at the moment, I'd like to ask the mainstream, what exactly IS romantic about a picture of the missionary position? |
That was the question. I can't answer because I am not in the mainstream.
So anyone, chaimelle?
Message edited by author 2006-02-09 12:27:02. |
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02/09/2006 12:28:19 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Amazing the variance in view points. Have to love diversity and the value of opinions. ;^) |
Unfortunately, many people choose NOT to love diversity. And since I seem to represent diversity at the moment, I'd like to ask the mainstream, what exactly IS romantic about a picture of the missionary position? |
The missionary position is face-to-face; it's about connection and emotion and touching as much as it is about just pure physical sensation. BTW, I didn't look at the red ribbon winner and assume they were 'in the act'. It looked like foreplay to me.
Now I am going to go away and blush for a while. whew! ;) |
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02/09/2006 12:32:52 PM · #50 |
| I didn't find that shot romantic. My comment during the challenge was "This is a step or two after the romance stage". |
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