Parental Controls - DPChallenge Forums

07/21/2003 10:57:03 PM · #5

Originally posted by Diversq:

Wow are they ever going to lock this thread.

I wish they would

Diversq

Canon EOS-10D

07/21/2003 10:45:03 PM · #6

Wow are they ever going to lock this thread.

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 17-55mm f/2.8G IF-ED

07/21/2003 10:29:20 PM · #7

Originally posted by Kali:

Woh! calm down... in thru the nose out thru the mouth.
The only reason a person gets on the defensive it to protect something. My gawd woman I was just trying to tell you to spend some quality time with your kid outside the house. Nobody said anything about neglect... only you did.

I shouldn't have had to justify my day in front of the computer which thanks to you has now turned into me crying cause all I ever wanted was this site to be a safer place for him when he is home I didn't need what you said to me just makes me realize how cruel people can be at times!

Kali

Nikon D7100

07/21/2003 10:27:01 PM · #8

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 17-55mm f/2.8G IF-ED

07/21/2003 10:08:02 PM · #9

Originally posted by Kali:

Originally posted by OneSweetSin:
Before I completely steal a thread on nude photos I wanted to start a new thread on this issue. It comes up so frequently and I know I am not alone.

There are photos as parents we don't like our kids seeing and yet we have no control over them. There are also photos that we are just complete turned by and don't really want to see them again. We really need a "Parental Control" were as we vote we can check to have the image hidden. Why everyone thinks it the nudes that have to be hidden is beyond me...most nudes are very tasteful here and I don't have the nudes hidden but I would love the option to hide photos that I just don't deem fit for my child to see if he is around.

Ya know what i think your kid needs more than this "parental control" option? His Mommy. Why don't you spend less time bitching about what he's seeing and take him to the park. Turn off the PC! I'm sure he'll appreciate that alot more than this option he knows nothing about.

Stop telling me what to do! My little boy does not go neglected and you have no right to even insinuate such a thing! He was not home today, he was spending the day with his Grandfather like I should even have to justify that to you!

My little boy likes to look at the photos here and talk about them. He really loves looking at the animal photos and I just want the site to be more friendly for him when he is here. Although he is never here without me being right beside him but it would be nice to know I won't run into a photo I don't want him to see on the home page or in thumbnails!

Gordon

RIM BlackBerry Curve

Canon EF 85mm f/1.8 USM

07/21/2003 10:03:35 PM · #10

Originally posted by OneSweetSin:

I'm really tired of the way you like to put people down! There is a workable idea there if it weren't for people like you refusing to even give it a thought. You look at it as a major thing when it could easily be handled by changing the preference already in place to include other things.

I addressed your suggestion point by point and seem to have given it rather more thought than many people posting in this thread. If you'd care to address the issue rather than drifting off into personal attacks we might actually make some progress.

Kali

Nikon D7100

07/21/2003 09:43:23 PM · #11

Originally posted by OneSweetSin:

Before I completely steal a thread on nude photos I wanted to start a new thread on this issue. It comes up so frequently and I know I am not alone.

There are photos as parents we don't like our kids seeing and yet we have no control over them. There are also photos that we are just complete turned by and don't really want to see them again. We really need a "Parental Control" were as we vote we can check to have the image hidden. Why everyone thinks it the nudes that have to be hidden is beyond me...most nudes are very tasteful here and I don't have the nudes hidden but I would love the option to hide photos that I just don't deem fit for my child to see if he is around.

Ya know what i think your kid needs more than this "parental control" option? His Mommy. Why don't you spend less time bitching about what he's seeing and take him to the park. Turn off the PC! I'm sure he'll appreciate that alot more than this option he knows nothing about.

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 USM

07/21/2003 09:20:05 PM · #12

Lay all your fears at rest.

It's quite doubtful that the site is going to change that much. There are not enough photos presented on this site that are any more 'evil' than the typical primetime TV show to warrant going to any extreme measures.

Yes, if there were images of people's brains being blown out with guns on a regular basis, etc, i could see the need for something. but there isnt even CLOSE to that.

we do have nude flags, and that's because you can't see nudes in daily life without going through a hoop or two. But we already have banned all genital nudity. So it could never get that risque, even with the nudes we allow.

I would request that everyone uses the honor system and labels a link 'nudity ahead' so no one is surprised. But aside from that, not much more is going to happen.

Sorry to burst anyone's bubble.

Message edited by author 2003-07-21 21:21:45.

Gekker

Fujifilm FinePix S602Z

07/21/2003 09:10:18 PM · #13

Parental Controls:

Pros-
Children would not see what parent may feel is offensive.

Co-workers and boss won't get upset or fire you.

You will not have to look at what you feel is offensive.

Cons-
Censorship is evil and not what democracy is about.

Once censorship is put in place it is like a snowball and just keeps growning larger and building speed, taking on a life of its own.

Easier said than done, see any of Gordon's posts.(technically speaking)

What general standards will photos be censored by? And this has to be very specific with absolutely NO EXCEPTIONS! How many criteria must be met, all or just some? This is the sticky part.

Yes, before anyone asks, I am a parent, of 3 young boys. I "censor" what they see and hear, when I can.

Alpine99

Canon EOS-550D Rebel T2i

07/21/2003 09:03:04 PM · #14

If it were a poetry site
then I'd say your effort was..
very good and clearly worthy of
10

wewillexplore

Canon EOS-1D Mark II

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM

07/21/2003 09:00:22 PM · #15

Circle circle dot dot
This thread's start I forgot.
It seems to be a round n round
and never a meaning is found.
Give it up, let them be,
Let them post their nudity.
M&Ms aren't drugs, there's no killin.
So let's be zen like Mag just chillin.
Enough with the noise, hush hush.
I'm out to drink like a lush lush.
Forget the censoring, vote late at night
just make sure I get a 10, alright?

wingy

07/21/2003 08:58:48 PM · #16

Originally posted by OneSweetSin:

The important difference here is that "nudity" is exponentially more objective than "offensive". There are still some judgement calls involved in determining what qualifies as nudity, but determining what qualifies as offensive is purely subjective and personal, varying widely from culture to culture and individual to individual.
Therefore, the current system cannot be instantly tweaked to encompass your broader requests as you have suggested it could be.

07/21/2003 08:55:15 PM · #17

OSS, please chill out. You're totally blowing this all out of proportion. You've made your suggestions. And they've been heard.

Thanks.

Now back to your regularly scheduled show.

07/21/2003 08:53:05 PM · #18

Originally posted by Alpine99:

IMHO you should live by them as we all try to do. If your domestic situation and /or your personal moral standpoint mean you have difficulties using the site then it's simple.. DON'T USE IT

With that kind of an attitude are you giving me what I paid for my membership back?

Now I do not need to have those kind of remarks made to me. All this thread was started for was to point out there is a potential need for better controls. But I have been rudely treated, misquoted repeatedly and now I am being told not to use the site where the heck to you get off saying that? Are you Drew? Are you Langdon?

shareinnc

Tamron AF 28-300mm f/3.5-6.3 XR Di LD Aspherical IF for Canon

07/21/2003 08:48:29 PM · #19

Originally posted by OneSweetSin:

1. All nude photos.

I don't have a problem with this one because it was a standard set before I became a member of this site and I can understand why some folks might choose to censor THEMSELVES.

Originally posted by OneSweetSin:

2. Photos promoting drugs or alcohol, with a standard being set by site council and hopefully a few members with kids..

This one REALLY bothers me because you are specifically setting up a group to censor things for others. I wouldn't be comfortable with anything along those lines.

Originally posted by OneSweetSin:

3. Violence with a standard set as a photo of knife is ok unless it is used in a violent suggestive manner ie. knife dripping with blood. Guns would be ok as long as they were just the guns. Things such as mock suicides would be hidden.

Again, who gets to say what is or is not a "violent suggestive manner?"
Look, I can understand how some photos here might offend some folks. Heck, I've posted offensive photos and will probably do it again. However, I would think that most people are aware enough of their surroundings to change the page or not open certain things at times when eyes THEY wished to protect were around. In other words, why should anyone having a child give them the right to promote censorship in any form outside of their own home?
Let's take a leaf from the Supreme Court for a moment. While most would agree that child pornography is offensive and ugly, the supreme court recognized that while they were offended by "pseudo porn" (pornography completely computer generated and therefore not violating any laws) it was an expression of free speech and could NOT be censored...offensive or not.
If you don't like something, don't look at it. If you don't want your children to look at it, keep them away from the source...that's your right as a parent. Just don't ask a website or a government agency to censor anything for you (and thereby inflict YOUR morality on someone else).

Just my thoughts, not meant to offend.
Shari

07/21/2003 08:48:11 PM · #20

i dont see where gordon is putting anyone down. he's just using common sense. please don't get personal in your comments.

bottom line: see my post below yours.

07/21/2003 08:46:41 PM · #21

Originally posted by Gordon:

Originally posted by OneSweetSin:
Originally posted by robsmith:
You are quite right, I am the reason it cannot work because what you are suggesting is censorship and I will fight that.

Go to preferences and look the site is already censored! You can set your preferences to hide all nude photos that is censorship so you want to fight that now?

All I am suggesting is that we make it a little more friendly for the entire family so as a parent I don't have to close out DPC when my child walks by!

Also as to whoever suggested a vote...I'm not alone I know of others who have been treated just as rudely as I have for suggesting controls for parents. Its a suggestion, some ideas came from this thread and out of all the ideas I think the best one so far is change the hidden nude photos to a more generic hidden photos, heck yeah make it a vote.

My email today is proof I'm not alone! I'm just the only one brave enough to voice my opinions

You still haven't addressed the issue with any real thought.

If we institute something based on an existing standard, like adopting the PG-13 standards for example, we make all the nudes available, we include all the pictures you want to ban etc.

It doesn't go anywhere towards removing the pictures that you have previously asked to be hidden, like ones containing pictures of M&Ms.

There is no current censorship of pictures and this isn't a censorship issue. We aren't talking about removing pictures from people who want to see them, so it would be good if that didn't get brought up, (again and again and again)

Nor does it go any way to protecting children, as you still get to click on what you click on, so the filtering wouldn't do anything anyway. It is still up to the person in control.

So it would consist of more work for the admins, no gain for the users and a lot of hot air in terms of what is or is not censored.

If you'd care to think more deeply about it and come up with a workable proposal it might get more consideration.