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01/08/2006 01:36:00 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Whew, I'm not calling out any names here, but I just came across a profile with over 5500 votes cast and the average vote given was 3.31. Never seen that low for that many votes. Can anybody beat that? |
At the same time you recently posted that your favorites represented photog that recieved a 6 or higher most times. For me I don't judge a photog on their average alone, I look at their work. While an Average vote received or cast is a number, along with the average vote cast, there are alot of outstanding photog's that aren't just into the score alone. Just my 2 cents.. |
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01/08/2006 01:48:41 PM · #27 |
This is a horrible thread. Judging people by a statistical number ?
Votes Cast: 1916
Avg Vote Cast: 4.4165
I'm not mean, nor am I a bad person (my wife & kids will vouch for that). Just a bit demanding.
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01/08/2006 01:52:40 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Most of the good stuff on TV is late night, and I like to be awake to check out the dawn potential. |
That's what TiVo is for! Jeesh!
lol
edit: removed double quote...
Message edited by author 2006-01-08 13:56:47. |
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01/08/2006 01:55:48 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Whew, I'm not calling out any names here, but I just came across a profile with over 5500 votes cast and the average vote given was 3.31. Never seen that low for that many votes. Can anybody beat that? |
Then you have the opposite extreme. I saw this week someone with a votes cast average around 8.5-8.6. Cherry picking... |
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01/08/2006 01:59:48 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
I just came across a profile with over 5500 votes cast and the average vote given was 3.31. |
I know one that's close...
Votes Cast: 8011
Avg Vote Cast: 3.4029 |
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01/08/2006 02:02:26 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by Tom_Robbrecht:
This is a horrible thread. Judging people by a statistical number? |
People will always read something into the numbers... What's that quote about statistics?
Edit: Found it/them:
# There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics. - Twain attributed this to B. Disraeli
# It has long recognized by public men of all kinds ... that statistics come under the head of lying, and that no lie is so false or inconclusive as that which is based on statistics. - H. Belloc
# Figures don't lie, but liars figure. - Samuel Clemens (alias Mark Twain)
# If your experiment needs statistics, you ought to have done a better experiment - Ernest Rutherford
Message edited by author 2006-01-08 14:06:43. |
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01/08/2006 02:12:31 PM · #32 |
I think the people who are "horrified" at this thread are not understanding. This is not the average vote the person has received in challenges (and thus a reflection of their pictures). This is the average vote they have given (and thus a reflection of how they perceive other's pictures).
That's a pretty close one scalvert. At least with all those votes cast it appears these individuals vote 100% of a challenge. It evens out that way...
Message edited by author 2006-01-08 14:12:53. |
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01/08/2006 02:18:28 PM · #33 |
Votes Cast: 9998
Avg Vote Cast: 4.9819
Votes Received: 16923
Avg Vote Received: 5.0586
my given and received are about equal.
and also of note.. 2 more to 10,000 votes cast. not bad, i say! |
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01/08/2006 02:21:41 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
I think the people who are "horrified" at this thread are not understanding. This is not the average vote the person has received in challenges (and thus a reflection of their pictures). This is the average vote they have given (and thus a reflection of how they perceive other's pictures). |
I think they understand that and are horrified that people are being judged for their voting history. Hence my comment that, "People will always read something into the numbers..." |
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01/08/2006 02:26:07 PM · #35 |
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01/08/2006 02:27:24 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
I think the people who are "horrified" at this thread are not understanding. This is not the average vote the person has received in challenges (and thus a reflection of their pictures). This is the average vote they have given (and thus a reflection of how they perceive other's pictures).
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hmmm..
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Brent, your average vote received is 7.2...share the love. :) I was feeling like I was stingy when I was in the low fives. Now I'm 5.56 or something and feel like maybe I need to crack down a little.
But 4.1 still pales in comparison to a 3.3. You aren't even in this guy's neighborhood... |
Well correct me if Im wrong but you kinda steered it to that... |
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01/08/2006 02:32:22 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
I think the people who are "horrified" at this thread are not understanding. This is not the average vote the person has received in challenges (and thus a reflection of their pictures). This is the average vote they have given (and thus a reflection of how they perceive other's pictures).
That's a pretty close one scalvert. At least with all those votes cast it appears these individuals vote 100% of a challenge. It evens out that way... |
Except for the one photo they can never vote for--their own ;)
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01/08/2006 02:42:11 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
At least with all those votes cast it appears these individuals vote 100% of a challenge. It evens out that way... |
Exactly. As long as the same scale is applied to everyone, it's fair.
EDIT- good point, Neil.
Message edited by author 2006-01-08 14:43:35. |
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01/08/2006 02:43:19 PM · #39 |
The question that everyone of us has to ask themselves is, "Would I score my own picture on the scale that I am using for others?" Perhaps Brent ward wouldn't score any of his own above a 5 either.
One other thing I would like to share. I entered a sub-par photo in a current contest. Many folks commented on how bad it was. I just want to express to DrAchoo my appreciation for actually offering constructive advice and very helpful thoughts. I find this very different from those that just score 1, 2 or 3 without comment or even worse unhelpful or mean comments.
Thanks DrAchoo- DPC needs more like you.
--jrjr |
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01/08/2006 02:55:58 PM · #40 |
*blushes* Thanks jrjr. There's lots other here who are helpful as well.
I really wasn't trying to "judge" someone. Nobody has used names here (and that should continue). I was just taken aback by seeing such a low average score. I've seen some 4's before, but never a 3. Personally I vote on a curve and so the closer to 5.5 my score, the better I am doing. But there are other voting styles and none is more valid than another. (Except the ones that vote me low...) |
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01/08/2006 03:10:37 PM · #41 |
I guilty as sin. I admit I'm a tough voter.
42,898 votes
4.1745 average
I give alot of one's and two's to photos I believe do not meet the challenge.
I consider meeting the challenge a four. Above that, it has to be quite good to get a ten. I give threes to shots that are excellent, but don't meet the challenge to me and shots that are bad but meet the challenge.
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01/08/2006 03:13:18 PM · #42 |
What I've noticed about low voters is that they are so much better than everyone else, so the imbalance makes perfect sense.
Just look at their portfolios and you'll immediately see that this is true...
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01/08/2006 03:19:06 PM · #43 |
Votes Cast: 9269
Avg Vote Cast: 5.2248
Well, whern I was in school, 60% & below was failing. The grade scale here is pretty tough and everyone seems to adjust to the unique DPC grading where 60% is success & 70% is euphoria.
I use to be alot tougher, but I noticed at I scored better and learned a bit better what i was doing, I also became more empathetic.
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01/08/2006 03:25:02 PM · #44 |
I really dont think most people have any problem with "tough voters".
Its the unfair ones that tick people off. |
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01/08/2006 03:37:01 PM · #45 |
They do bother me a bit...especially when they don't have the goods themselves to back it. If they are respectable photographers (IMO) and they are being tough, honest critic's then then I see in a slightly diffenrent light. But to the ones that aren't so hot themselves...I say "wake up and smell your feet!!!"
Competitions...competition but this is a learning site so one would hope people would lighten up a bit.
I'd add if you are a low voter and at least leave comments as to why you voted in such a way...to help the photographer out, that's cool.
Message edited by author 2006-01-08 15:39:16. |
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01/08/2006 03:45:34 PM · #46 |
I find the comments one gets for the photos very helpful. I love it when somebody give a comment on the photo. Then I get an idea (mostly comments are confirmation of what I already knew of my picture) of what to do.
Also this Critique Club - they are most helpful and doesn't just say bad things about the photos - also good stuff and ways to improve. |
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01/08/2006 03:53:43 PM · #47 |
Votes Cast: 1275
Avg Vote Cast: 5.1820 ... I think that's a fair reflection of the overall standard of all challenges and entries so I'm happy with that.
Votes Received: 1789
Avg Vote Received: 5.5226
Comments:
Made: 1511
Brett |
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01/08/2006 04:08:55 PM · #48 |
My stats are goofy......
Challenges Entered: 119
Votes Cast: 26775
Avg Vote Cast: 5.3715
Votes Received:
Avg Vote Received:
I dont have the bottom two. :( |
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01/08/2006 04:11:31 PM · #49 |
I'm curious that a couple of comments here have disparaged those whose average cote cast is lowish and who do NOT have a "good track record" in producing high-scoring images.
For me, appreciating/voting is a different skillset than "making pictures"; I have no problem visualizing someone with a highly-developed artistic sensibility whose advice I would respect and yet who is not a very good photographer him/herself. I'm in somewhat the same position poetically; I'm a far better critiquer/editor of poetry than I am a poet, and I have garnered plenty of respect for that.
You don't have to be able to "do" a thing well in order to judge it intelligently and fairly, IMO. It helps to have a clue what actually goes into the making of an image, of course, but this doesn't mean you've become accomplished at doing it.
R. |
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01/08/2006 04:13:12 PM · #50 |
| So Bear, you don't buy the old saying that "Those who can do, those who can't vote low."? |
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