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01/05/2006 09:25:30 AM · #1 |
[rant mode]You snobs need to read the instructions on voting!
We don't all live in New York City, and for some of us, city life is a lot different. I have collected a whole slew of nearly identical comments from "Hidden during voting", all saying, "I don't see the 'life'".
Well, maybe for some people city life is effing DEPRESSING, and we are trying to show that.
Comments on the quality of the photo would be helpful. Not comments on my interpretation of the challenge.
rrr.[/rant mode]
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01/05/2006 09:39:09 AM · #2 |
Hmm....not very nice calling the group 'snobs.' What do you think that will get you? If people don't see 'life' in your shot, they don't see it. Instead of lashing out, try looking a little closer to home. You took the pic and if people don't see it as you do then you should take a critical look at the photo and try and understand why they don't see life. Not call everyone names. If a 'whole slew' of people made the same comment, it is not their voting that needs to be worked on, it is the photo. Everyone can't be wrong and you be right no matter how you feel about the shot.
For the record, I am one of those bagheads during voting and there were a lot of shots I left a similar comment on in that challenge. If you want to PM me the name of the shot you entered I will look at it, see if I made one of thsoe comments and expand on my comment if that will make you feel better. But lashing out and calling everyone snobs won't get you anything. |
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01/05/2006 09:52:51 AM · #3 |
Oh, I know I'm being shirty. That's why I put {rantmode} on it. I just get so frustrated with bare comments about something not meeting the challenge, when I think it does.
It seems so snippy. Something along the lines of "This would meet the challenge more if...." would be more helpful, and a lot more friendly. If I had just entered a picture of a flower, and called it "city garden", sure, I would expect that.
But my entry really does show my experience of city life.
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01/05/2006 09:54:58 AM · #4 |
You don't HAVE to enter every challenge. Most people are going to want to see something that looks like a city - if you enter 2 people in a field or something then it's not likely to do well.
Besides, throwing mud is not likely help..... |
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01/05/2006 09:55:55 AM · #5 |
Don't feel bad, I got a "this certainly isn't city," although it is. I don't live in a place with tons of tall buildings.
Just let it roll off your back. It's not worth getting up in arms. |
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01/05/2006 09:57:40 AM · #6 |
I usually do... for some reason, it just got to me this morning.
I apologize to the snobs. ;) |
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01/05/2006 10:16:03 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by hannafate:
"This would meet the challenge more if...." |
This would meet the challenge more if.... it weren't simply a shot of carpet samples.
My new mantra is going to be, "I'm the voter, I'm the client, you must satisfy MY definition of the challenge."
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01/05/2006 10:20:38 AM · #8 |
If you were my client, and that was the kind of feedback I got when I tried to produce the image you wanted, I would send you to some other photographer that I didn't like.
I would need to know WHY a picture of carpet samples wasn't what you expected. |
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01/05/2006 10:22:10 AM · #9 |
I wasn't in City Life, but voted and most got very high votes from me.
I didn't see ONE photo that did not depict city life. City life can be MANY interpretations. Could be animal, to plant, to mineral, to human, to scapes. People do need to have open minds when the word "life" is involved. Not just their depiction or imagination of city life, but all types of life IN the city.
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01/05/2006 10:22:56 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by hannafate:
I would need to know WHY a picture of carpet samples wasn't what you expected. |
No, I would just click the next button until I found a suitable image. You'd be left completely in the dark.
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01/05/2006 10:25:33 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by hannafate:
[rant mode]You snobs need to read the instructions on voting!
We don't all live in New York City, and for some of us, city life is a lot different. I have collected a whole slew of nearly identical comments from "Hidden during voting", all saying, "I don't see the 'life'".
Well, maybe for some people city life is effing DEPRESSING, and we are trying to show that.
Comments on the quality of the photo would be helpful. Not comments on my interpretation of the challenge.
rrr.[/rant mode] |
Which rules on voting cover this, exactly?
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01/05/2006 10:25:41 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by Rose8699:
City life can be MANY interpretations. |
Thanks for the [10] on my shot showing carpet samples in my basement. ;-)
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01/05/2006 10:28:10 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by mk:
Which rules on voting cover this, exactly? |
I think he means the text that says "Enter your comment here and then cast your vote..." in the comment box below photos while voting.
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01/05/2006 10:29:50 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
Originally posted by Rose8699:
City life can be MANY interpretations. |
Thanks for the [10] on my shot showing carpet samples in my basement. ;-) |
I've seen a few of these carpet samples remarks. I am not getting it. Want to explain it to me? LOL...
Rose |
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01/05/2006 10:31:53 AM · #15 |
At one point in my mis spent youth, as a silly punky girl, I dyed my hair blue-black. I LOVED it...All my friends said, er, no...I decided they were nuts and I looked hot. Many years later I saw pictures..I was wrong.
I learned that sometimes when the majority of peeps are telling you something, you may do well to at least listen. Sometimes we are too close to things to have proper perspective.
Now I am old and I would rather be happy then right. |
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01/05/2006 10:34:01 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by Rose8699:
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
Originally posted by Rose8699:
City life can be MANY interpretations. |
Thanks for the [10] on my shot showing carpet samples in my basement. ;-) |
I've seen a few of these carpet samples remarks. I am not getting it. Want to explain it to me? LOL...
Rose |
I explained in the other thread. Just another example of my 'sublime' humour, which often only makes me laugh. :-D
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01/05/2006 10:40:35 AM · #17 |
I didn't enter either, but also voted, and I found several that were on shaky ground, and a couple that were downright DNMC. Problem is, a few of the ones that I felt were off-topic, I really liked as photos. But, at least IMO, an open mind is only good to a point. There are some where I shrugged and said, "Okay, I'll run with it." But there were some that just looked like someone had a good picture they wanted to share, so stuck it in.
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01/05/2006 10:47:53 AM · #18 |
I agree with Strikeslip...it, for me, is like a client thing.
If you asked me for a white chocolate truffle cake, and I gave you one that had Chipotle chili pepper chocolate truffle filling, you would not be happy ( well you might, it is awesome haha) It would not be what you asked for, despite my heartfelt conversations with you about how that is "my interpretation" of a truffle cake.
OK I am not saying 'nother peep 'bout this. Im bored and have said enough
( stands up, dusts off, and hands Slippy the carpet sample she was sitting on...) |
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01/05/2006 11:04:44 AM · #19 |
And here is where the play on the description & title words come into emphasis.
A simple word like 'life' throws people off and they think it shouldn't just be any old city shot, but be emotive.
If I took a photo of a plant or flower that was growing on a roof of a city building garden and called it "city plant", it would have been within the confounds of the city life challenge. On the other hand, had I done a scape, a face, a foot, a building, a bridge, or anything else of the like it still would have been within the confounds of the challenge as long as it is IN the city. Anything IN the city is city life. Using the word "life" does not mean one has to depict emotion of happiness or even depression - although both work. It ALL works. It shouldn't just be what YOU think a city should be like, if you happen to live in the middle of Kansas, as to how you vote.
I think what is happening is people have a preconceived notion of what city life should be to them, and are voting up those shots and down the shots that don't meet their personal expectations. Well...that happens in most contests, and so be it. But IMO I don't think one should take this particular challenge that tunnel visioned. Life means many things in the city. There are even country scenes in cities. So when I voted on this challenge, living both in and near the cities at one point to now the sticks of Florida, my mind was wide open to all interpretations.
Rose |
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01/05/2006 11:05:33 AM · #20 |
I've recieved a few DNMC's....and if you look at my portfolio, one would quickly assume that I have a pretty good grip on what city life is...Oh, the irony!
My goal was to enter something that was particular to a city and NOT a suburban or country setting.
I asked myself one question...what do I see in a city that people in the sticks probably don't see everyday? I also felt that it should be animated but I'm not holding anyone else to that part in my judging. (BTW look at my given voting average and you'll see I'm as liberal as they get)
We all share things that are similar in our lives but my eye is looking for some sort of action that pertains to city life and not anywhere else but a city....the essence of the city...the sounds, noises, smells...crowded movement is what sets the city apart from the country...that's what I want to see. At least give me that. And again, I'll point out that I'm a very, very generous voter but give me that.
...and for the record I don't give a damn about the DNMC's...just silly people, no more, no less(move on...)
Message edited by author 2006-01-05 11:11:31. |
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01/05/2006 11:08:24 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
...and for the record I don't give a damn about the DNMC's...just silly people, no more, no less(move on...) |
So you think everything is free study regardless of challenge description?
Message edited by author 2006-01-05 11:08:38. |
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01/05/2006 11:08:52 AM · #22 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
I've recieved a few DNMC's....and if you look at my portfolio, one would quickly assume that I have a pretty good grip on what city life is...
My goal was to enter something that was particular to a city and NOT a suburban or country setting. We all share things that are similar in our lives but my eye is looking for some sort of action that pertains to city life and not anywhere else but a city....the essence of the city...the sounds, noises, smells...crowded movement is what sets the city apart from the country...that's what I want to see
...and for the record I don't give a damn about the DNMC's...just silly people, no more, no less(move on...) |
And that was a good outlook. Depict something that shows the essence of what can only be seen, heard, smelled, in the city. But, like I said, city life has many many meanings to the title. The description? Hit the streets and capture your best representation of 'City Life'. Means just that. You captured your representation. Maybe others wanted theirs to be more along the lines of "see? city life isn't all about smells, noises, and busy streets and tons of lights". So, in that, one really needs to be open to all interpretations.
I think I only voted one photo really low, and that was based on horrendous technicals, but not based on DNMC.
Rose
Message edited by author 2006-01-05 11:09:30. |
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01/05/2006 11:31:00 AM · #23 |
Originally posted by Megatherian:
Originally posted by pawdrix:
...and for the record I don't give a damn about the DNMC's...just silly people, no more, no less(move on...) |
So you think everything is free study regardless of challenge description? |
Where the heck did I say that? I feel like I met the Challenge dead on and when you see my entry I'm sure you'll agree.
Rose-I see the word "representation" as the most important word in the guidline...
Representing anything that incidently happened in a city, ain't no great shakes to me....that's all. You can pick your nose on Broadway and 5th for all I care and an image of that would definitely meet the Challenge...of course but nose picking isn't something that is particular to city life...it won't get my best votes on a scale of 1-10. Does that make sense?
And I would also add that city life IS, in a sense, exactly about "smells, noises, and busy streets and tons of lights" or for this Challenge, ANYTHING that sets a City apart from other living styles.
That's all I'm saying...
And for the record I haven't commented and will not give any DNMC's even though I myself have recieved a few...though I think they are out there. |
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01/05/2006 11:46:05 AM · #24 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
Originally posted by Megatherian:
Originally posted by pawdrix:
...and for the record I don't give a damn about the DNMC's...just silly people, no more, no less(move on...) |
So you think everything is free study regardless of challenge description? |
Where the heck did I say that? I feel like I met the Challenge dead on and when you see my entry I'm sure you'll agree.
Rose-I see the word "representation" as the most important word in the guidline...
Representing anything that incidently happened in a city, ain't no great shakes to me....that's all. You can pick your nose on Broadway and 5th for all I care and an image of that would definitely meet the Challenge...of course but nose picking isn't something that is particular to city life...it won't get my best votes on a scale of 1-10. Does that make sense?
And I would also add that city life IS, in a sense, exactly about "smells, noises, and busy streets and tons of lights" or for this Challenge, ANYTHING that sets a City apart from other living styles.
That's all I'm saying...
And for the record I haven't commented and will not give any DNMC's even though I myself have recieved a few...though I think they are out there. |
Yes, I understand what you are saying. But to me it is really more wide open than that. Picking noses on Braodway and 5th (bad visual there..LOL), is very much city life. To me it says that it is so free thinking in the city that people will actually do that and in public with no Kleenex, and most know in the city that just about anything goes from peeing in the alley to sleeping in front of Macy's Department Store on the sidewalk. So, sure, it depicts it. However, when one votes, one may not think along those lines and would much prefer a city scape, or the showing of homelessness, etc. It is again, and as usual, all personal preference really. But what I am saying is that to say there are DNMC's is kind of ridiculous in a challenge where anything city goes, and from what I saw, it is all within the confounds of the challenge.
A bit off subject ---- I tell ya, LOL...I don't miss city life personally. I miss the opportunities for some great scape shots though, but I can travel a bit to get those, no problem. But I much prefer the country. I complain a bit about photo opportunities here, but there are plenty. I just have to travel a bit to find some good ones. I have some nice plans for this upcoming year, so its going to be an interesting year on DPC for me.
Rose |
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01/05/2006 11:46:49 AM · #25 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
...and for the record I don't give a damn about the DNMC's... |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
And for the record I haven't commented and will not give any DNMC's |
Perhaps I'm misunderstanding but these lines make it sound like you don't care if and entry does not meet the challenge. If it doesn't matter if an entry meet the challenge then we are just left with Free Study.
I'm not trying to single you out, a lot of people have this attitude, just trying to clarify. |
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