Photos need to fit the challenge, HM revisited.

07/09/2003 02:23:01 PM · #1

Alright, two things to discuss. First; I've seen so many, almost too many forums that put down and critisize dpc'ers for taking points off a submission that doesn't fit the challenge. The truth in my opinion, is, a photo does need to fit the challenge in one appropriate way or another for two reasons. One, to expand our skills in photography. And two, When voting on a challenge, its much harder to vote on photos because people don't know exactly what theyre looking for, which consequentially is unfair to the photographer because their photo might be great but he/she wont get as high a rating as they deserve. When given a topic, voters have a basis for voting so they know what theyre looking for and what not.

Two. HM. I don't see why such a forum had to be posted in the first place. DPChallenge isn't about learning manners and being polite! when someone comments on a photo, they should be honest and even brutally if needed.

In conclusion, do take off points for not meeting challenge topics, only not more than needed. And do, without HM, be brutally honest when commenting on a photo.

Sorry for posting two topics in one.

07/09/2003 02:30:45 PM · #2

Don't all comment at once!

Diversq

Canon EOS-10D

07/09/2003 02:32:32 PM · #3

You sure dont sound like any 13 year old that I know. lol Good points.

Sony 16-50mm f/3.5-5.6 E-mount

07/09/2003 02:34:05 PM · #4

Originally posted by Diversq:

You sure dont sound like any 13 year old that I know. lol Good points.

lol, thanks.

jmsetzler

Sony Alpha a6000

07/09/2003 02:41:43 PM · #5

Meeting the challenge is a good idea :) I rarely score a photo over a 5 if it doesn't meet the challenge, or doesn't meet it in some way that I can interpret. In lots of cases, I feel that a photo has been stretched to meet the challenge by providing an explanation in the title. I don't score those well either... even if it is a great photo. There are a couple examples of this in the 'unanswered questions' challenge....

What is "HM"?

bod

07/09/2003 02:43:57 PM · #6

So long and thanks for all the fish.

Message edited by author 2003-07-09 14:53:32.

joshua

Canon EOS-500D Rebel T1i

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

07/09/2003 02:46:00 PM · #7

Originally posted by jmsetzler:

actually there are about 88 photos with that problem

also i want to know what HM is

Message edited by author 2003-07-09 14:47:54.

Jak

Fujifilm FinePix S602Z

07/09/2003 02:49:40 PM · #8

Originally posted by bod:

... is ignoring the reason we all enter.

Thank God we don't have to think or speak for ourselves. We've got bod to do that for us!

bod

07/09/2003 02:51:20 PM · #9

Originally posted by Jak:

Originally posted by bod:
... is ignoring the reason we all enter.

Thank God we don't have to think or speak for ourselves. We've got bod to do that for us!

So long and thanks for all the fish.

Message edited by author 2003-07-10 16:52:04.

Imagineer

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

Canon EF-S 17-85mm f/4-5.6 IS USM

07/09/2003 02:53:56 PM · #10

You might want to see the can of worms I opened here...

//www.dpchallenge.com/forum.php?action=read&FORUM_THREAD_ID=32153

;)

Konador

Canon EOS-500D Rebel T1i

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS

07/09/2003 02:55:06 PM · #11

HM was some other thread saying we should put HM in the title of our photo if we want proper comments not just praise. It means "Hit Me".

orussell

Canon EOS Rebel T6s

Canon EF 55-200mm f/4.5-5.6 II USM

07/09/2003 06:48:11 PM · #12

I think all entries should meet the challenge guidelines. Isn't that the idea, create an asthetically pleasing photograph given set limitations? Otherwise what's the point of having a theme or guidelines?

robsmith

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

Sigma 12-24mm f/4.5-5.6 EX Aspherical DG for Canon

07/09/2003 06:57:08 PM · #13

If I have taken the time to consider how I can meet the challenge, take the photos, examine them and submit one why shouldn't I mark down someone who appears to have submited for the sake of it?

I haven't entered the 'Night on the Town' challenge due to lack inspiration, should I have submitted what I considered the best image I'd take last week regeardless of subject?

The challenge is in creating an entry not entering.

mbardeen

Canon PowerShot G3

07/09/2003 07:16:50 PM · #14

This is getting old. Can we discuss something other than all the photos that do "not meet the challenge"? Mark them down as you see fit, or better yet, sit and stare at a photo for a couple minutes. Maybe you'll see a different interpretation of the challenge that you never thought about. Just don't complain about it in the forum.

-Matt

Lustre

Nikon D7000

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 17-55mm f/2.8G IF-ED

07/09/2003 07:27:57 PM · #15

I don't want to get involved in this argument much, except to explain how I personally approach the challenges...

I view the challenge like a job assignment. If a client said "I need a photo depicting speed" and I took a photo that had nothing to do with speed I wouldn't be paid. I would be paid the most for a technically good photo which depicted speed well and was also interesting to look at.

Obviously a real brief from a client would be more specific but I think the vagueness here is appropriate for the audience and time frame. I like the challenges offered on this site and if I don't have a shot which is appropriate I don't submit.

Regards,

Mark.

PS: With regards to "HM". I was under the impression that honest, and polite, comments were always welcome and would be disappointed to find that people have been reluctant to tell me how to improve. Please be honest with me, regardless of my title - I will do the same in return.

07/09/2003 08:42:08 PM · #16

Originally posted by sparky_mark:

PS: With regards to "HM". I was under the impression that honest, and polite, comments were always welcome and would be disappointed to find that people have been reluctant to tell me how to improve. Please be honest with me, regardless of my title - I will do the same in return.

- Couldnt have said it better, same here.

07/09/2003 08:44:09 PM · #17

Originally posted by mbardeen:

People have different ideas on how to vote on a photo and forums are the place where they are shared to clear up anything that might be on their minds or change their opinion about something to make things more fair on this website. forums are productive and educational, and if you dont approve of them, just dont participate.

07/09/2003 08:47:26 PM · #18

Originally posted by jmsetzler:

What is "HM"?

Jim, HM is just a small group thingy :)
You can read about it here:
//www.dpchallenge.com/forum.php?action=read&FORUM_THREAD_ID=31246

basia03

Canon PowerShot SX50 HS

07/09/2003 09:05:03 PM · #19

Originally posted by shadow:

HM is just a small group thingy

it's a very small group... actually, it's just you, and i would like to repeat that this hm is acting as your signature... not a good idea.

HBunch

HP PhotoSmart 315

07/09/2003 11:50:21 PM · #20

You know, I don't really have much to add, but I do want to say that this post means a LOT coming from you. Your first submission here placed dead last because(I assume)it was off topic. I thought it was, and commented as such.
You are not sitting here complaining about it, you are agreeing with it, and that is a very mature thing to do. Most people in that situation would say "I shouldn't have gotten a low score, it was a good shot, people are stupid for marking it down for not meeting the challenge". When YOU, who have experienced the wrath of the "does not fit challenge" comments, is brave enough to step up and say "you did the right thing by marking it down".
I want to say I admire this. Thanks for posting how you feel.
~Heather~

07/10/2003 12:50:00 AM · #21

EDIT: I decide to remove this.

Message edited by author 2003-07-10 01:39:57.

kyrielle

Nikon Coolpix 5400

07/10/2003 01:28:41 AM · #22

So far, I've seen exactly one HM photo in each of the two current challenges. I assume "acting as your signature" is meant to indicate that she thinks that they are yours, and immediately recognizable as such as they are the only ones posted that way - since no one else is using it at this point, the use of the letters "HM" become a form of signature, though only obvious to those aware of the HM thread and aware of (or able to work out) who is using it while everyone else seems to ignore it.

Canon EF-S 17-85mm f/4-5.6 IS USM

07/10/2003 01:38:14 AM · #23

Originally posted by kyrielle:

Hmm, I cant answer this because I dont pay attention to the subject (oh no, a confession!). I will only check for HM tag if I have a rather blunt comment to make. BTW, what makes some think that I've already started to use the HM tag? :) That photo with the HM tag, may or may not be mine.

Message edited by author 2003-07-10 01:41:33.

Imagineer

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

07/10/2003 02:54:27 AM · #24

Hey - it's a crazy idea I know, but... why don't people actually spell out 'Hit Me' if they're so eager to be understood?

No acronymn - what AM I thinking?!!