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12/17/2005 01:52:42 PM · #26 |
what is the COMPLETE process for setting up new challenges? exactly who comes up with the titles and descriptions? i know d&l put them in, but what is the source? does the sc have anything at all to do with this?
Originally posted by drake:
what the "setlzer image fiasco" mean |
it was in the forums a while back. an image was requested for a self-dq. don't have time to point you at the threads, but it's there... |
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12/17/2005 01:53:58 PM · #27 |
| Images are never deleted, only hidden, so it can always be reinstated if needed. In that case, the SC member acted in good faith and was justified by site policy, but took some flak over it. Unilateral moves are fairly limited, and I'm sure there would be discussion before a similar situation occurred again. |
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12/17/2005 01:56:54 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by skiprow:
what is the COMPLETE process for setting up new challenges? |
Anybody can suggest a challenge topic (preferably with a full title and description). SC members add them to the database. D&L determine suitability and do the actual picking (we don't know the next topic until the rollover- same as you). |
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12/17/2005 01:57:18 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by skiprow:
1) what exactly happens when i push the [report post] button? does that put something in the sc forum, or what? |
When you push the report post button, we are notified in two ways.
First, we have a box that appears on our front pages, below polls and above our challenge scores. Among other things, there is a line that shows us the number of Reported Posts pending (currently it's 0). Also, when viewing the thread itself we see "1 Report for this post" (or 2, 3, ...) next to the reported post. Clicking on either takes us to the report itself. At that point, the SC member seeing it reviews the issue. If it's a clear issue (most are) they either clear the report, or resolve the issue and then clear the report. If it's more borderline or that particular SC member does not feel qualified to resolve it, they'll engage one or two ther SC members for a consensus, or leave it for another to deal with.
Originally posted by skiprow:
2) has the sc established any policy to prevent sc members from acting on their own accord on things like the setzler image fiasco? |
The issue with that particular image spawned not from a problem with our rules on unilateral action, but from an ambiguity on the rules on requesting DQ on one's own image.
There are very limited circumstances where a SC member may DQ an entry unilaterally. They are:
Originally posted by SC Policy:
Any Site Council member may disqualify an entry without waiting for the usual 6-0 vote if:
- the photographer is requesting DQ on his or her own entry, and is eligible for a self-DQ.
- the entry clearly violates the Nudity section of the Challenge Rules.
- the entry clearly violates any of the following sections of the ToS: 4.2(ii), 4.2(v), 4.2(vi), 4.2(vii), 4.3(ii).
- in the opinion of the Site Council member effecting the DQ, leaving the entry in place for the length of the typical DQ process will cause harm to DPChallenge or to any person.
If practical the Site Council member effecting the DQ should attempt to contact one or more other SC members for discussion (via phone, IM, etc). If this is not practical or no one else is available, the DQ may be processed without further discussion.
In the event of a DQ under this procedure, a post should be made to the relevant Site Council thread alerting Site Council to the DQ. |
In this case, the Site Council member who effected the DQ did follow this procedure. The confusion stemmed from an ambiguity in the self-DQ rule. It was not clear that the limitation on the time for requesting DQ's applied to the request for removal of one's own photo as well. The problem was not in the SC member's action (she acted properly) but with a hazy area in the rules themselves.
In any case, the photographer was bein harassed via the comment system, so the best solution anyway was to remove the photograph until a more permanent solution could be put in place (in this case, the ability to lock commenting on any photograph) and then reinstate it.
~Terry
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12/17/2005 01:58:25 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by skiprow:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by skiprow:
2) has the sc established any policy to prevent sc members from acting on their own accord on things like the setzler image fiasco? |
In that case, site policy was clear and there was no reason a single SC member couldn't act. If there's any doubt, then we put it before the group for discussion. |
i can't remember, but was the image deleted or hidden? it seems to me that no one single sc member should be able to delete images. |
The image was hidden. Site Council does not have the ability to delete images.
~Terry
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12/17/2005 02:16:08 PM · #31 |
| Are there a set of rules explicit or otherwise, specific to the SC? Something that governs what is allowable and what is not? |
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12/17/2005 02:23:52 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by conglett:
Are there a set of rules explicit or otherwise, specific to the SC? Something that governs what is allowable and what is not? |
That's pretty much governed by what features the admins "activate" for us.
For example, we can't delete images because we, well, can't. |
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12/17/2005 02:26:52 PM · #33 |
| Very useful thread guys, thanks. |
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12/17/2005 02:32:40 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Even if we don't appear to support (or even acknowledge) a particular suggestion in a forum thread, it'll still be discusssed and evaluated. |
It would help if SC members would leave a little note in the thread to indicate that a particular suggestion was seen and submitted for consideration. |
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12/17/2005 02:34:40 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by Beetle:
It would help if SC members would leave a little note in the thread to indicate that a particular suggestion was seen and submitted for consideration. |
We often do. If you see multiple SC members posting to a thread, you can pretty much bet that it's been seen and put forth for consideration. |
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12/17/2005 02:46:18 PM · #36 |
| If you could vote off one member, who would it be? |
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12/17/2005 02:47:38 PM · #37 |
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12/17/2005 02:48:05 PM · #38 |
Where does the Critique Club fit into all this? It's not a simple SC thing, is it (as I recall), but it seems to fall between all the stools of organisation of the site, and its potentially one of the best things about it.
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12/17/2005 02:48:49 PM · #39 |
Very helpful thread guys. This will definitely be on my watched list. Now on to my questions:
1. How does SC spot "cheats" in challenge entries? I mean, is there "software" (which of course I understand you won't mention) or is everyone just simply a PS guru.
2. Does SC do this on their own time? No compensation except the respect and admiration of everyone of us here on DPC?
3. This is more of a suggestion. Wouldn't it be great if there was some sort of "marking" placed for former SC members who had retired? Just a tribute I guess for all the hard work over the years.
4. How often does D&L communicate with SC?
5. is there an annual meeting of the minds where all come face to face somewhere? Iceland perhaps :)
Thanks.
Rikki |
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12/17/2005 02:53:20 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by maxj:
If you could vote off one member, who would it be? |
Me. I'm a "loose Canon", LOL.
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12/17/2005 02:53:47 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by drake:
what the "setlzer image fiasco" mean |
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Originally posted by scalvert (emphasis added):
Images are never deleted, only hidden, so it can always be reinstated if needed. In that case, the SC member acted in good faith and was justified by site policy, but took some flak over it. Unilateral moves are fairly limited, and I'm sure there would be discussion before a similar situation occurred again. |
That's a shame. A fear of acting unilaterally can not be good for the site or the SC themselves. Although it might make a good entry for the phobia challenge. ;)
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Above there is a quote from 'SC Policy' -- I've assumed there was such a document, is there a specific reason it is not listed with the other 'legal' documents of the site (ie. TOS, challenge rules, etc.).
And a few more:
1) reference has been made to a unanimous vote for DQs -- yet I have the impression from previous threads the vote is often split (often quite evenly). Is there some hassling between the SC to get them to change their vote, like what happens in a jury room at a trial (personal experience, harrassed in a locked room for hours because I wouldn't change my vote just so they could go home -- not pretty).
1a) It's been mentioned in the thread some members are not active in each discussion -- how can there be a unanimous vote if that is the case?
2) When voting on a DQ, how many votes are taken? That is, in the case of an image with more than one potential rule violation, is there a vote for each violation?
2a) If there is only one vote taken, how do you prevent an image from being disqualified simply for being too contraversial -- that is, some SC voting against it for one offense, others for other offenses, but no single offense enough to disqualify it.
David
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12/17/2005 03:00:08 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by Rikki:
Very helpful thread guys. This will definitely be on my watched list. Now on to my questions: |
1. Various means -- ultimately we can take the original and try and replicate the entry using the listed editing steps. We can usually tell if it was possible within the rules.
2. We have or $25 fee waived and we get a little more Portfolio space, but no other actual compensation.
3. No opinion right now : )
4. Not often enough : ) Actually they seem to "check in" every day, and be active participants when necessary.
5. There's been "some talk" about organizing a DPC "Convention" but I don't know if there's been concrete progress. Likely the first one would be in Washington DC area or near there, to be close to the admins. If all DPC members landed in Iceland at once it might tip over ... |
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12/17/2005 03:00:28 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by Rikki:
Very helpful thread guys. This will definitely be on my watched list. Now on to my questions:
1. How does SC spot "cheats" in challenge entries? I mean, is there "software" (which of course I understand you won't mention) or is everyone just simply a PS guru. |
There are numerous ways, and each of the SC brings talents to that pool. Discussion of specific techniques, publicly, would give cheats info we don't want them to have ;-)
Being good at PS work is a help but not a requirement for SC membership.
Originally posted by Rikki:
2. Does SC do this on their own time? No compensation except the respect and admiration of everyone of us here on DPC? |
Our only "compensation" is that our memberships are free.
Originally posted by Rikki:
3. This is more of a suggestion. Wouldn't it be great if there was some sort of "marking" placed for former SC members who had retired? Just a tribute I guess for all the hard work over the years. |
Like Site Council Member Emeritus, or some such? I kinda like it...
Originally posted by Rikki:
4. How often does D&L communicate with SC? |
As often as required, sometimes several times in an hour, sometimes not for days if their actual lives intrude. Almost always through the SC discussion forum.
Originally posted by Rikki:
5. is there an annual meeting of the minds where all come face to face somewhere? Iceland perhaps :)
[quote=Rikki]
That would imply that we haven't lost our minds...
Thanks.
Rikki |
You're very welcome!
Message edited by author 2005-12-17 15:11:10.
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12/17/2005 03:00:29 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by maxj:
If you could vote off one member, who would it be? |
Drew. Lately he's been off writing video games anyway! ;-)
~Terry
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12/17/2005 03:06:30 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by Rikki:
1. How does SC spot "cheats" in challenge entries? |
Most violations are obvious, and we also have the experience of past "attempts" and know what to look out for.
Originally posted by Rikki:
2. Does SC do this on their own time? No compensation except the respect and admiration of everyone of us here on DPC? |
Yep, it's all volunteer, and any respect and admiration is usually tempered by contempt and conspiracy theories.
Originally posted by Rikki:
3. Wouldn't it be great if there was some sort of "marking" placed for former SC members who had retired? |
Maybe, but it might also create "classes" of authority.
Originally posted by Rikki:
4. How often does D&L communicate with SC? |
Pretty much daily. Langdon seems to be around more often than Drew.
Originally posted by Rikki:
5. is there an annual meeting of the minds where all come face to face somewhere? |
On OUR salaries? HA! |
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12/17/2005 03:09:22 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by e301:
Where does the Critique Club fit into all this? It's not a simple SC thing, is it (as I recall), but it seems to fall between all the stools of organisation of the site, and its potentially one of the best things about it. |
To be perfectly frank, Critique Club has not gotten the attention it deserves. In my opinion, and I know I'm not alone on this, it has the potential to be one of the most compelling features on DPC.
A few months ago we hashed out some changes we'd like to make to Critique Club. Those changes require some substantial coding time, something that is increasingly at a premium lately.
In the interim, we've been making some changes behind the scenes. Langdon has put a lot of coding time in to rework some of the Site Council tools to improve our workflow, and also to allow Site Council to handle more of the day-to-day tasks of the site.
While these don't directly relate to Site Council, what they do is to free up more of Drew and Langdon's time, so they have more time to spend on the things we can't do, such as coding. This has been a conscious decision, and with those changes mostly complete we hope to push through some features and ideas that have been languishing for a while, and Critique Club enhancements are near the top of that list.
~Terry
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12/17/2005 03:13:19 PM · #47 |
Do S/C members have anything to do with prints being accepted/rejected on DPCPrints?
What is the biggest thing that you look for when deciding on who to add to the S/C?
Does the S/C have the authority/ability to delete user accounts when necesary?
What's hbunch's phone number?
What is the most common question asked of the S/C concerning rules?
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12/17/2005 03:21:18 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by Rikki:
Very helpful thread guys. This will definitely be on my watched list. Now on to my questions:
1. How does SC spot "cheats" in challenge entries? I mean, is there "software" (which of course I understand you won't mention) or is everyone just simply a PS guru.
2. Does SC do this on their own time? No compensation except the respect and admiration of everyone of us here on DPC?
3. This is more of a suggestion. Wouldn't it be great if there was some sort of "marking" placed for former SC members who had retired? Just a tribute I guess for all the hard work over the years.
4. How often does D&L communicate with SC?
5. is there an annual meeting of the minds where all come face to face somewhere? Iceland perhaps :)
Thanks.
Rikki |
1. Of course, we rely havily on the DQ requests that come in from voters, but we've also developed a "trained eyes" in this regard. It's a safe bet that Site Council looks at entries differently than most voters, and we've learned to quickly spot telltale signs of illegal editing.
2. Site Council members receive free membership for the duration of our terms, and 100 MB of portfolio space (this extra space is in part due to the fact that we often use our portfolio space when discussing DQ's). Site Council members are also granted free membership for a period of time after they resign.
3. I like that idea very much. They definitely deserve credit for their contributions to the site.
4. As frequently as needed, usually daily. Drew and Langdon both read the Site Council Discussion folder. Several of us also have them on our IM lists and flag them down when there's an issue that particularly needs their attention. Like anyone else, Drew and Langdon's participation both vary, as they do have lives outside the site. Right now, Langdon is much more active than Drew. A year ago, it was the other way round. It goes back and forth.
5. Some would question if there were minds to meet! ;-)
As yet, Site Council has never met as a single body -- our meetings are all online. I think it would be especially appropriate if we would all meet at DQ sometime. ;-)
~Terry
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12/17/2005 03:21:33 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by kirbic:
Originally posted by skiprow:
4) can ya'll see the images, their scores, and who they belong to while a challenge is running? |
We cannot see either the scores nor to whom the image belongs, unless there is a DQ request during the challenge. Even in the case of a DQ request, we cannot see scores. |
FWIW, we could if we wanted to. We can also see comments (given and received) during challenges, and have access to non-PM email addresses. |
We can see who owns an image, but not its score. This is necessary when evaluating certain types of DQ requests (for example, a photo that looks out of season but was taken in the southern hemisphere) and for investigating complaints about comments.
~Terry |
So that I understand - SC CAN identify a member's entry image in a challenge as the challenge is in progress even without a request for DQ. If this is true is there anyone else that has that type of access?
Is there anyone voting on challenge images at the same time they can connect the image with the member?
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12/17/2005 03:22:42 PM · #50 |
Originally posted by TooCool:
Do S/C members have anything to do with prints being accepted/rejected on DPCPrints? ... |
No, only the admins review prints.
Don't think so--but I doubt it We really don't have access to the site code or database, except for adding cameras and such.
Don't know.
Don't have stats, sorry. It's my impression most questions about the rules get asked in the forums.
Message edited by author 2005-12-17 15:25:26. |
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