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12/05/2005 04:25:09 PM · #51
The DPC crowd really does need to be spoon fed the meaning of most pictures. I've found that to be the case with my own shots. And at the same time, most people never spend enough time on any given picture to understand the meaning...period. However, I have to admit, the meaning and tie-in of your picture to the challenge is pretty hard to figure out. I'm not stupid and I didn't see the connection until I read it. I work in the marketing field and it's really easy to come up with a great idea...creative, etc...that makes perfect sense to me and my department...but when the consumer reads it, it's a whole new ball game. Sometimes (maybe all of the time) we need to go out of our way (especially in a crowd like this) to make sure everything is obvious...that's just how it is.
12/05/2005 04:26:21 PM · #52
Originally posted by pawdrix:

Allegory?...ALLEGORY?

We'll have none of that around here...thank you.


LOL, I promise in the future to steer widely clear of allegory, analogy, metaphor, personification, or onomonopoea...
12/05/2005 04:32:07 PM · #53
Originally posted by chafer:

The DPC crowd really does need to be spoon fed the meaning of most pictures. I've found that to be the case with my own shots. And at the same time, most people never spend enough time on any given picture to understand the meaning...period. However, I have to admit, the meaning and tie-in of your picture to the challenge is pretty hard to figure out. I'm not stupid and I didn't see the connection until I read it. I work in the marketing field and it's really easy to come up with a great idea...creative, etc...that makes perfect sense to me and my department...but when the consumer reads it, it's a whole new ball game. Sometimes (maybe all of the time) we need to go out of our way (especially in a crowd like this) to make sure everything is obvious...that's just how it is.

Yes, yes. I quite agree. These DPCers are a very simple-minded bunch - not equipped with the depth of understanding of real art like you and me. I might be concerned that these unsophisticated masses might construe my post as derogatory or insulting, but I don't think the vast majority of them can even read. Huh-huh-huh. Oh I do amuse myself so. [/sarcasm]
12/05/2005 04:47:35 PM · #54
Originally posted by chafer:

The DPC crowd really does need to be spoon fed the meaning of most pictures. I've found that to be the case with my own shots. And at the same time, most people never spend enough time on any given picture to understand the meaning...period. However, I have to admit, the meaning and tie-in of your picture to the challenge is pretty hard to figure out. I'm not stupid and I didn't see the connection until I read it. I work in the marketing field and it's really easy to come up with a great idea...creative, etc...that makes perfect sense to me and my department...but when the consumer reads it, it's a whole new ball game. Sometimes (maybe all of the time) we need to go out of our way (especially in a crowd like this) to make sure everything is obvious...that's just how it is.


Good point. I'd like to propose that I be allowed to "explain" my more brilliantly obscure, allegorical, metaphorical, self-referential images to the membership in detail, and that they then be allowed to go back and retroactively give me the 10s I deserve for being so dmaned poetic, and that I be given the ribbons I know would come to me thereby.

Dude, if you're wanting to shoot photography that has a deeper "meaning", and you care about the "scores" it receives, you are totally in the wrong place :-) May I suggest DeviantArt, perhaps?

R.
12/05/2005 05:35:24 PM · #55
Originally posted by DrAchoo:

LOL, I promise in the future to steer widely clear of allegory, analogy, metaphor, personification, or onomonopoea...


Didn't you mean onomatopoeia? ;-) j/k u! LOL
12/05/2005 06:02:08 PM · #56
Originally posted by DrAchoo:

OK, I can take my lumps with everybody else. My Light on White entry was fairly rushed and poorly processed. In short, it sucked and paid the price. However, my entry for Adulthood seems to have fallen victim to the DPC disease.


Well, I guess I have something of the same problem. I expected this attempt to do a bit better. The early votes were very low and seemed
to indicate that the concept was off-subject. Is there something else about this image that got it down to the 15th percentile?



Paul
12/05/2005 06:42:27 PM · #57
Originally posted by pwm6:

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

OK, I can take my lumps with everybody else. My Light on White entry was fairly rushed and poorly processed. In short, it sucked and paid the price. However, my entry for Adulthood seems to have fallen victim to the DPC disease.


Well, I guess I have something of the same problem. I expected this attempt to do a bit better. The early votes were very low and seemed
to indicate that the concept was off-subject. Is there something else about this image that got it down to the 15th percentile?



Paul


The cropping is awkward (way too tight on the left), her eyes look like a lunatic's, there's pimples on her chin (or so it seems), there's an OOF black spot behind he neck lower left, the color of the BG is blah, the bright forward shoulder is pulling the eye out of the picture... aside from that it's fine. It's a crazy-cute picture, actually, but crazy-cute don't score in strait-laced DPC.

R.
12/05/2005 06:59:01 PM · #58
And what else can one say....I didn't like the way the bags framed her face. Im not a portrait photographer but I would like to see more of her face, the bangs hide her cheeks, maybe if her hair wasnt pulled back?

My 2 cents..

Originally posted by bear_music:

Originally posted by pwm6:

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

OK, I can take my lumps with everybody else. My Light on White entry was fairly rushed and poorly processed. In short, it sucked and paid the price. However, my entry for Adulthood seems to have fallen victim to the DPC disease.


Well, I guess I have something of the same problem. I expected this attempt to do a bit better. The early votes were very low and seemed
to indicate that the concept was off-subject. Is there something else about this image that got it down to the 15th percentile?



Paul


The cropping is awkward (way too tight on the left), her eyes look like a lunatic's, there's pimples on her chin (or so it seems), there's an OOF black spot behind he neck lower left, the color of the BG is blah, the bright forward shoulder is pulling the eye out of the picture... aside from that it's fine. It's a crazy-cute picture, actually, but crazy-cute don't score in strait-laced DPC.

R.


Message edited by author 2005-12-05 18:59:46.
12/05/2005 07:09:07 PM · #59
Originally posted by pwm6:

Well, I guess I have something of the same problem. I expected this attempt to do a bit better. The early votes were very low and seemed to indicate that the concept was off-subject. Is there something else about this image that got it down to the 15th percentile?



I gave it a 6. I thought it was a good 'honest' shot. For me, the cropping let it down.

You could have used cloning to tidy it up, but you didn't - And I prefer it that way. You presented the image the way you see it, and not some air-brushed/neat-imaged shot created to get DPC votes.

Okay... you could have cloned out that dark spot in the background... :)
12/05/2005 07:50:08 PM · #60
It's a great photo. I think the connection to the topic was the only problem I would have with this. Kudos on the pic though
12/05/2005 07:57:52 PM · #61
Okay, I'm going to chime in here because a) I think I can add something reasonaly relevant, and b) I'm bored and I feel like posting :o)

Anyway, DrAchoo--I think your picture was much better than mine from a technical standpoint. I wanted to make mine better but a) I didn't have the time, and b) my 6-year-old is rather "energetic", and he doesn't have the patience for this sort of thing! However, mine is exactly opposite of yours in that it is hit-you-over-the-head obvious that it fits the challenge, even though it is a less-than-perfect shot. Show a cute kid looking like an adult (more or less) and you're going to score higher. I guess that's just the way it works around here. This was only my second challenge, but I've already learned to leave "abstract" shots out of competitions, and stick them straight into the portfolio.

Oh yeah, here was my shot (scored 5.507 and came in 32nd):



I'm certainly not qualified to give shooting advice, as almost all of you are better photographers than me (for now), so this is just my $.02. Take it for what it's worth.

-Don
12/06/2005 07:42:49 AM · #62
Doc,

I never said I scored Shannon's image a 10 either. It did fit the challenge, and it was very well done, so it was in the top tier for me, but it was not one of my 3 or 4 tens for this challenge. The difference is that his story revolves around the kid discovering the adults, the kid is the focal point. You stated that you wanted the tree to be the focal point, but you niether focused, nor really included much of it in the shot.

Paul,

I'll call what Bear said, and raise you a harsh lighting (too much flash too close to the subject.) For me the crop was WAY too tight, the eyes were nearly manic, and the hair doesn't frame her face well. I spent about 30 seconds on this shot and ran away.

Don,

Cute, but in the middle of the pack for me. The problem with your shot, at least for me, was that it was too cute. I also didn't care for the "dog in a suit" image that finished fourth. To me those shots are just too easy and too cliche. Personally I feel like you've got to try a little harder than dressing up a cute kid and making them even cuter. I was also expecting a lot of dressed up kids, and to get a 10 from me you've got to blow my expectations. The one with the kiddie cop did score pretty well from me becuase of the effort required to make that shot. It came off a lot better than yours did.

These are just my honest feelings, and I've offended anyone and you don't want to hear them again let me know. :)

---Andrew
12/06/2005 08:23:18 AM · #63
Too clever by far, with no wow factor as an image, although as a photograph it might deserve a place in a biology or nature book, where it would fit nicely.

The moral here is that if something has intellectual and/or hidden depths, it must be given adequate appraisal by the viewer in the appropriate setting, in order for them to discover the mystery.

ON DPC, that just ain't going to happen in a challenge. INSTANTLY VISUALLY APPEALING to the masses is the aim, as difficult as that may be. Photographic Philosophy including metophorical titles is alas for a forum debate or independant discussion.

DOn't sweat it, I'm currently doing a Dog's Dinner on the Free Study.And I thought it was Brill...

12/07/2005 10:13:38 PM · #64
Although I've been around DPC since last March, my note in this thread was the first one I have posted in a forum. I just want to thank all of you who commented on my question with helpful suggestions.

Paul
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