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 12/02/2005 08:36:28 AM · #76
Originally posted by ThomLee:
I've also struggled with the thought that anyone driving faster than me is a maniac and anyone driving slower than me is an idiot.
It's all relative.


Well said.
 12/02/2005 08:48:04 AM · #77
There are "awful" shots here for the same reason there are obese people at the gym... everybody has to start somewhere. In both cases, hard work WILL pay off, and the real shame would be not trying at all.
 12/02/2005 08:57:36 AM · #78
Hmm ... I'd like to know where obese people really started from :S
 12/02/2005 09:00:51 AM · #79
Amen to that. It amazes me how these threads are ALWAYS started by people who have never submitted.

Originally posted by bryanbrazil:
Where are your shots? You haven't entered anything in your first seven months here.
 12/02/2005 09:13:40 AM · #80
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
So, you don't want me to enter any more? :-(


Yeah, for some of us thats all we have.

Message edited by author 2005-12-02 09:14:39.
 12/02/2005 09:20:55 AM · #81
Originally posted by xion:
Hmm ... I'd like to know where obese people really started from :S


McDonald's, supposedly.
 12/02/2005 11:29:55 AM · #82
Wow I really think I hit a nerve with some people.

My question wasn't personal but it seems a lot of people are taking it personally and taking pot shots back at me and making assumptions and interjections about what my point was.

I never said people with truly awful shots should not be allowed to enter and I never said I should be the ruler by which all photos are judged.

There have been a few pictures posted in this thread - take a look at the ratings, they are all in the 4 point range, THOSE AREN"T THE PHOTOS I'M TALKING ABOUT.

As far as my qualifications to even ask such a question on here having not posted pictures myself well I'm a paid member and voter on this site and I don't believe the picture count in your portfolio gives you added rights or qualifications. I still have an opinion and I still will be voting on your photos.

Not everyone needs a hug, told that they are special and that their photo is good in it's own special way. A bad photo that no one likes is a bad photo that no one likes, it doesn't matter how experienced the photographer is.

When you vote do you factor in the experience of the photographer? How about their age? How good their vision and color recognition are?

When it comes down to it we vote on the pictures not the photographers. If the majority of the people here on this site vote a picture a 1 or maybe a 2 then according to this community it's a bad photo and I think the majority of the people who post a photo that will be rated a 1 or maybe a 2 know it's a bad photo. If they know it's a bad photo then couldn't they ask themselves "why do I think my photo is bad?" and then try and fix those problems before posting? Which comes back to my question, why do people post pictures they KNOW are bad?

Message edited by author 2005-12-02 18:23:15.
 12/02/2005 11:32:04 AM · #83
Originally posted by megatherian:
Which comes back to my question, why do people post pictures they KNOW are bad?


So that the mediocre people have someone to be better than?

12/02/2005 11:34:33 AM · #84
Originally posted by megatherian:
...(omission of well-stated arguments)...Which comes back to my question, why do people post pictures they KNOW are bad?


They don't know.
 12/02/2005 11:34:39 AM · #85
This is my first submission



I thought it was wonderful! It sucked bad! heh I got some great comments on it that encouraged me to keep trying.
12/02/2005 11:34:52 AM · #86
I haven't read all the post, I was late, but are you guys referring to my submission ?
 12/02/2005 11:37:40 AM · #87
Originally posted by megatherian:
Which comes back to my question, why do people post pictures they KNOW are bad?


So I can use the update button.

Now that I no longer have the compulsion (replaced by chocolate cheesecake) my challenge scores are improving. :)

I thought everyone knew that. ;)
 12/02/2005 11:41:31 AM · #88
Part of being a good photographer is learning how to self edit. Beginning photographers, or those who just got their first digital camera, are giddy with every image their camera spits out. They're creating, and the right side of their brain is getting some use, and they feel good about what they're making. They haven't learned to critically self edit yet.

Amongst the many things that can help folks gain this ability to self-edit, the scores they receive here can be valuable. These scores, along with the comments, provide a quantifiable, if not imperfect way to measure progress.

What doesn't help is blanket statements about how "bad pictures" are mysteriously entered.
 12/02/2005 11:46:45 AM · #89
OH come on, everybody, don't pretend you really don't know which photos megatherian is talking about.

He is NOT talking about all the so-so pics that many of us (including myself, of course) have taken.

None of the examples posted in this thread come anywhere near close to the ones megatherian was aking about.

He explained well enough that he is referring to those shockers that - in MY theory - must have been entered just for a laugh, or because the person was drunk as a skunk at the time.

So now you have MY theory - what's yours?

12/02/2005 11:48:35 AM · #90
Originally posted by alansfreed:
Amen to that. It amazes me how these threads are ALWAYS started by people who have never submitted.

Originally posted by bryanbrazil:
Where are your shots? You haven't entered anything in your first seven months here.


I was wondering about that myself. Not only has he not entered any challenges, I can't find any of his pictures to look at. There's no link to another site. Nothing. Maybe he's afraid of what we'd say about his work?
 12/02/2005 11:54:45 AM · #91
I think a lot of people are overreacting to this. I think it's a legitimate question (I've asked it myself in my own mind, many times) and I don't think it's meant the way people are taking it. I don't think the OP is even implying anything like "we'd all be better off if these morons stopped posting their excrement." I think the OP is genuinely curious as to how some truly, horrifyingly bad-by-any-standards shots ever get posted in the first place, in the sense of wondering just what thought process is involved.

They are out there, they get entered, if we're honest we'll all acknowledge that we've seen them and wondered ourselves. We're not talking run-of-the-mill bad here, we're talking absolutely-no-redeeming-photographic-or-artistic-value bad. They are not in every challenge, but they show up often enough. And no, I can't define them but I know them when I see them.

R.

To be fair, I've entered at least one shot many people would place in thsi category, and it finished next-to-last. This was a realtively serious entry, though, and I thought at the time it was "interesting"...



Message edited by author 2005-12-02 11:59:38.
 12/02/2005 11:55:57 AM · #92
ok.. this thread has just about convinced me to not ever enter a challenge. I paid for my membership to use this as a learning tool. No I don't need 'hugs' but learners do not need to be berated either. I already was intimidated by the quality of the winning photos but thought I could get positive feedback on occasion and use the challenges as a sort of 'homework assignment' to teach myself. I also bought my 14 yr old niece a digital camera for christmas and had the same plans for her.

I will continue to use the remainder of my membership as I described above, but don't worry....no one will ever have to hurt their eyes upon viewing my aweful shots.

I guess skill and ego go hand in hand for someone....What about mentoring??? Yes, megatherian you did hit my nerve. But I'm glad you did...it prevented me from making a fool of myself.
 12/02/2005 11:58:19 AM · #93
Okay, here are my serious guesses:

1. They just don't know better.
2. They have baby/child/relative/pet goggles on (the ones prohibit you from understanding that these things aren't as special to everyone else).
3. They're doing an "experiment."
4. It's oh so funny and trendy to aim for the brown.
5. They're goofing on the site.
 12/02/2005 11:58:56 AM · #94
Originally posted by dassilem:
ok.. this thread has just about convinced me to not ever enter a challenge. I paid for my membership to use this as a learning tool. No I don't need 'hugs' but learners do not need to be berated either. I already was intimidated by the quality of the winning photos but thought I could get positive feedback on occasion and use the challenges as a sort of 'homework assignment' to teach myself. I also bought my 14 yr old niece a digital camera for christmas and had the same plans for her.

I will continue to use the remainder of my membership as I described above, but don't worry....no one will ever have to hurt their eyes upon viewing my aweful shots.

I guess skill and ego go hand in hand for someone....What about mentoring??? Yes, megatherian you did hit my nerve. But I'm glad you did...it prevented me from making a fool of myself.


Silly overreaction if you ask me... We're not talking about "ordinary" pictures here (or at least we shouldn't be), we're talking those one-in-a-million, truly BAD pictures that somehow get entered. And when it comes to "mentoring" I've done plenty of that :-)

R.
 12/02/2005 12:01:09 PM · #95
Originally posted by bear_music:
I think a lot of people are overreacting to this. .......

... I know them when I see them.

R.



I agree with you totally, Robert. And yeah, that shot was pretty bad! :P
 12/02/2005 12:01:25 PM · #96
Melissa, Don't let them influence you to not post photos or get in challenges. Most of the people on DPC are good people, if they give you a nasty comment...either report it or ignore it ...
I choose it ignore them as they are only trying to irritate.
Di

Originally posted by dassilem:
ok.. this thread has just about convinced me to not ever enter a challenge. I paid for my membership to use this as a learning tool. No I don't need 'hugs' but learners do not need to be berated either. I already was intimidated by the quality of the winning photos but thought I could get positive feedback on occasion and use the challenges as a sort of 'homework assignment' to teach myself. I also bought my 14 yr old niece a digital camera for christmas and had the same plans for her.

I will continue to use the remainder of my membership as I described above, but don't worry....no one will ever have to hurt their eyes upon viewing my aweful shots.

I guess skill and ego go hand in hand for someone....What about mentoring??? Yes, megatherian you did hit my nerve. But I'm glad you did...it prevented me from making a fool of myself.
12/02/2005 12:01:36 PM · #97
bear_music: Yes, I know you have mentored....I have talked to you before...

Just like this thread wasn't pointed at anyone particular, my post wasnt' either.

Silly Overreaction...I guess so.
 12/02/2005 12:08:15 PM · #98
With over 48000 people on this site, I would expect there a few "pranksters," we all know the type, who look for the shock value, who aren't serious at all about photography, they just want to be jerks! I think we have given them more attention units than they deserve.

Anybody trying to learn, please don't be offended...
 12/02/2005 12:09:19 PM · #99
Originally posted by mk:
Okay, here are my serious guesses:

1. They just don't know better.
2. They have baby/child/relative/pet goggles on (the ones prohibit you from understanding that these things aren't as special to everyone else).
3. They're doing an "experiment."
4. It's oh so funny and trendy to aim for the brown.
5. They're goofing on the site.


I think the really terrible ones, the ones the OP is refering to, do "know better" 90% of the time (maybe not consciously). It is 2-5 that takes the cake. Lets take for example the "... at night" or "polarbears eating mashmellows in the show" images that pop up every so often. Those are BAD. We all know it, but they are funny in a geekyphotographer kind of way. They are entered as a goof.

i'd like to add though
6. They just don't care.
 12/02/2005 12:11:10 PM · #100
oh and 7. They were intoxicated

"drunk man walking home" is never as humouros with a hangover.
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