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12/02/2005 01:24:24 AM · #26
Originally posted by crayon:

Originally posted by megatherian:

is 5 really average around here though? I'd be willing to bet 1,2,3's are given out much more often than 8,9,10's. This place scores HARD and can be very finicky. I have no evidence to support my theory but my feeling is that a 5 is actually above average around these parts.


So am I voting wrongly by giving out so many above 5 votes? Please advise, thanks.


nope.
I give out maybe one 1-3 vote in a challenge, and about a 1/4 of my votes are 8-10. 5&6 make up the majority for me.
There is no such thing as voting wrongly but PLEASE leave a reason if you vote a 3 or lower. If you can't justify a low vote to the photog, you shouldnt be making it.

edit because i cant count (shuddup mav)

Message edited by author 2005-12-02 01:25:27.
12/02/2005 01:27:57 AM · #27
Would be interesting to know what the overall average score given is (counting voters who voted on at least 5 challenges)
12/02/2005 01:29:17 AM · #28
Originally posted by mesmeraj:

I give out maybe one 1-3 vote in a challenge, and about a 1/4 of my votes are 8-10. 5&6 make up the majority for me.
There is no such thing as voting wrongly but PLEASE leave a reason if you vote a 3 or lower. If you can't justify a low vote to the photog, you shouldnt be making it.


Maybe I have bad taste, or maybe there are plenty of good photos because I tend to enjoy looking and voting each photo, and some got me thinking "this guy is funny". Maybe I should try submit a challenge too someday.
12/02/2005 01:06:21 PM · #29
Originally posted by mesmeraj:


There is no such thing as voting wrongly but PLEASE leave a reason if you vote a 3 or lower.


I agree and disagree. I think there's no way to vote wrongly if you vote on ALL the pictures in the challenge. As long as you're going to vote on all the images, you can give all the ones you don't like a 1 and all the ones you do like a 2, and that would be fine as long as you do it equally to every image. However, if you were to vote in that manner, and you only voted on the minimum percentage of images, then you would hurt all the pictures you voted on.
12/02/2005 01:28:43 PM · #30
I agree that the only rule of "correct" voting is to vote 100%. After that, you can do whatever you want. I don't give out as many 1-3 as I do 8-10, but the scale is 1-10 and it is a bit silly not to use the bottom end "just because". I think I've actually gotten softer as I've been here longer. My average score given has risen in the last month from about a 5.2 to a 5.5. I think that's a significant jump when we are talking a few thousand votes.

It doesn't matter though. If you vote the whole challenge it all evens out and the worst it does is raise or lower the average score for the whole challenge.
12/02/2005 01:47:02 PM · #31
I vary quite a lot. How about your procentual rank in challenges? From last 10 challenges my best is 70% (64/208) and worst 5% (253/267). Although I do wish I varied even more.. you know which way.
12/02/2005 01:52:29 PM · #32
Originally posted by DrAchoo:

I don't give out as many 1-3 as I do 8-10, but the scale is 1-10 and it is a bit silly not to use the bottom end "just because".


i tend to agree... someone suggested none of the free study photos deserved less than a 5 and when i was voting i thought to myself "how could anyone give this higher than a 4?"

sure, it's all subjective, but i think there are some who limit their votes to the 5-10 range just to keep from hurting someone's feelings. me, i like it best when my votes on a challenge average out to the bell curve. a few highs, a few lows, but certainly the entire spectrum.

in this, like mr roflmao, i tend to pay more attention to my percentile score than the the avg vote. sure, my free study score might be # 3 or 4 in my list, but percentile? doubt i make 50%...

if i compete against my betters, i'll improve much faster than if i only compete against myself...


12/02/2005 02:36:32 PM · #33
As far as voting goes, I use the whole scale. I give about as many 10s as I do 1s.
As for my scores, as I have said before, I am the master of the average photo. Most of my photos have scored in the low to mid 5s with few comments. Usually my bell curve of scoring more resembles a bell "spike". My "Your Corner of the World" entry has a staggering 86% of the votes as 4,5 or 6.
At least I'm consistent.
12/02/2005 03:10:45 PM · #34
what I meant by 5 may not actually be average is it may not be the mathematical average.

If you have 100 members and 75% of them score 4 or below then a scoreof 5 would put you in the top 25% of the photographers on the site (these numbers are fictitous, used just for example).

So by having an average score of 5 you may not actually be just an "average" photographer, you may be much higher than that :)
12/02/2005 03:19:08 PM · #35
I took a screenshot early on the morning of 11/30, when my scores were:

Adulthood
4.3971
10 comments

Industrial
4.3889
1 comment

At least one time, I've briefly had two photos with the same score.
12/02/2005 03:24:35 PM · #36
I am sincerely glad to end up having average score in the challenge. Most of people submitting photos are serious about photography, so it is far from being bad to leave half of them in the dust :)
OK, it's much better to get higher place though...
I agree with those stating the % presentation of results is more informal.
12/02/2005 03:30:54 PM · #37
It depends a lot on the challenge. I have two entries that scored only .04 pts apart yet one was 46% and the other was 86%.
12/02/2005 03:39:26 PM · #38
Originally posted by DannyM:

It depends a lot on the challenge.


Indeed. I had a 6.251 that placed 96% and a 6.284 (higher) that placed 21%.. Now THAT'S a spread!
12/02/2005 03:53:30 PM · #39
Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by DannyM:

It depends a lot on the challenge.


Indeed. I had a 6.251 that placed 96% and a 6.284 (higher) that placed 21%.. Now THAT'S a spread!


I agree. Numeric score gives answer to question "Did they like it?", percentage gives answer to "How I did comparing to others that submitted?". Both questions are valid, both answers are interesting.
12/02/2005 05:19:09 PM · #40
Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by DannyM:

It depends a lot on the challenge.


Indeed. I had a 6.251 that placed 96% and a 6.284 (higher) that placed 21%.. Now THAT'S a spread!


I checked out that 21% photo. The first Master's free study challenge. Only the five last photos scored less than 6.0. An anomaly. Free study challenges generally bring out the best in folks.

Message edited by author 2005-12-02 17:21:05.
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