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11/26/2005 02:44:01 PM · #1 |
I was wondering what some people think of my Joey Lawrence tribute photograph. It's not of him or anything, I just messed around until I got a photo that looks like something he would take. Let me know what you think good or bad, I won't get offensive I promise.
//www.dpchallenge.com/image.php?IMAGE_ID=262084
Thanks for any input.
Shawn
Message edited by author 2005-11-26 15:10:41. |
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11/26/2005 02:45:55 PM · #2 |
| Moving this to Individual Photograph discussion as Critique Club area is just for discussion about the club. |
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11/26/2005 02:46:20 PM · #3 |
You should of used it in the "cheater" challenge hehehe
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11/26/2005 02:48:50 PM · #4 |
I like the feel of the picture, but it doesn't feel to "joey" to me.
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11/26/2005 02:52:19 PM · #5 |
Why do you all give so much tribute to Joey Lawrence when all he did was download an action from the internet that was based on someone else's attempt to copy a true artist's post-processing techniques?
I mean no doubt, it's a cool technique (not that your photo comes even remotely close to what I think you intended), but the technique is so overused and abused here it's not even funny.
I mean in order for it to be effective, you at least have to start with a somewhat interesting photograph with strong composition and lighting. Personally, I saw a lot in recent challenges, and I also gave out a lot of 1's ;-)
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11/26/2005 03:02:07 PM · #6 |
Chill D, if this dude want's to idolize/emulate Joey (or whatever this is), let him. It's not that big a deal. Seems to be the last few challenges have not had that much emulation anyways.
I think we both know that Joey does a lot more than just use the .atn and leave it at that. It's the fine tuning and dodge/burn that make the final product have a grunge feel.
Shawn, like I said, if you're going for full tilt Joey grunge, then I think you missed the mark. But I like the picture anyways.
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11/26/2005 03:03:16 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by wavelength:
Chill D, if this dude want's to idolize/emulate Joey (or whatever this is), let him. It's not that big a deal. |
I'm not upset...just curious.
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11/26/2005 03:03:33 PM · #8 |
With absolutely no disrespect meant to Joey and his great skills at post processing or as a photographer, it freaks me out how much credit he gets for a style that's been around since before he was even.......2 years old. (maybe longer...?)
....whateverrrrr. Just get used to it.
Message edited by author 2005-11-26 15:04:55. |
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11/26/2005 03:14:29 PM · #9 |
| The thing about this is, I don't usually do tons of post-processing. My photographs are simple and most of the time, anyone with the same camera could take the same thing. For this photo, I did more post-processing than I normally do, thought it kind of resembled a Joey photograph and thought I'd see what other people thought. I don't think that Joey is the greatest thing ever, but I do like his style. And yes I have seen tons of other people who do very similar stuff. |
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11/26/2005 03:18:27 PM · #10 |
| Shawn-It's a great image. I really like the filtered effect and the saturation of the orange. The tight crop adds some serious gravity to the shot. Really well done. |
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11/26/2005 03:18:39 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by deapee:
Why do you all give so much tribute to Joey Lawrence when all he did was download an action from the internet that was based on someone else's attempt to copy a true artist's post-processing techniques?
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I barely use the draganizer action man. You can get a nice speckled look for background elements using it, it's a good tool, but dodge and burn are the best tools for this. A good tip is to get a picture of a grungy surface such as a rock. You set the rock picture on a duplicated layer overlay several times at different opacities. Once this is in, you can dodge, burn and erase elements on the rock surface. I like to use the paint brushes to scribble here and there.
I've seen a lot of attempts just using the draganizer, a lot of them are lacking. Don't get me wrong, they still look nice with the action, but not really 'grunge.' My tutorial is very basic, so everyone can try some things out with the action and learn. I wanted to teach people how easy it was and the cool action I found and not hog my find to myself like you suggested deapee. I'm not the only one that makes grunge stuff, theres thousands of people who make stuff dirty looking in photoshop- it's fun and I think it looks pretty rad.
Shit deapee, go take some pictures or something. |
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11/26/2005 03:30:44 PM · #12 |
The very cool part about the tutorials is, it encourages people to try something new, something outside what they normally do. Then if you like what you see.......you take it one step further. Evolution!!
edited to add......hey Shaun, Joey would be proud of you cos you tried something new!! ......the only way to learn.
Message edited by author 2005-11-26 15:34:42.
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11/26/2005 03:32:33 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by Joey Lawrence:
I wanted to teach people how easy it was and the cool action I found and not hog my find to myself like you suggested deapee. I'm not the only one that makes grunge stuff, theres thousands of people who make stuff dirty looking in photoshop- it's fun and I think it looks pretty rad.
Shit deapee, go take some pictures or something. |
Why are you getting offended and feel the need to swear at me? But anyway, you're right...way back, a few months ago, when I saw your work and you were telling everyone all these new methods, I told you to keep it quiet...but you didn't...to each his own.
The problem is, now there are people running around with absolutely no photographic skill, caught in a loop, who are never going to learn anything about lighting or composition or anything because they're just too busy post-processing. I mean that's cool and all and there is definately a place in the business for people who like post. I'm not a greedy person, but I just don't see the need to explain in great detail a technique that you seem to have down pretty good to the entire world...andrzej sells a PSD file of his work for quite a bit of money so people can try and learn the technique.
Anyway, don't be all mad because you got called out little one.
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11/26/2005 03:35:00 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by deapee:
The problem is, now there are people running around with absolutely no photographic skill, caught in a loop, who are never going to learn anything about lighting or composition or anything because they're just too busy post-processing. |
edit: oop
Edit to add: glad to know I have no ph tographic skill, deapee!
Message edited by author 2005-11-26 15:35:33. |
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11/26/2005 03:37:16 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by pidge:
Originally posted by deapee:
The problem is, now there are people running around with absolutely no photographic skill, caught in a loop, who are never going to learn anything about lighting or composition or anything because they're just too busy post-processing. |
edit: oop
Edit to add: glad to know I have no ph tographic skill, deapee! |
What makes you think I was talking to you? Did something I say hit close to home?
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11/26/2005 03:41:07 PM · #16 |
When you make a general comment, everyone reads it, and I just posted stuff I did trying stuff from Joey's tutorial, and so yah, I think you cold have implyed it was me
I'm one of the ones who learnt this effect from Joey's simple tutorial, and I think he doesn't deserve to be blamed for a bunch of people running around doing PP stuff.
And if it struck close to home, does it matter? I let me pictures speak for themselves, and you can decide if it struck close to home or not. I just find comments like that incredibly discouraging to people who are trying to learn from this site. That's all.
edit :spelling
Message edited by author 2005-11-26 15:42:59. |
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11/26/2005 03:42:07 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by Joey Lawrence:
I barely use the draganizer action man. You can get a nice speckled look for background elements using it, it's a good tool, but dodge and burn are the best tools for this. A good tip is to get a picture of a grungy surface such as a rock. You set the rock picture on a duplicated layer overlay several times at different opacities. Once this is in, you can dodge, burn and erase elements on the rock surface. I like to use the paint brushes to scribble here and there.
I've seen a lot of attempts just using the draganizer, a lot of them are lacking. Don't get me wrong, they still look nice with the action, but not really 'grunge.' My tutorial is very basic, so everyone can try some things out with the action and learn. I wanted to teach people how easy it was and the cool action I found and not hog my find to myself like you suggested deapee. I'm not the only one that makes grunge stuff, theres thousands of people who make stuff dirty looking in photoshop- it's fun and I think it looks pretty rad.
Shit deapee, go take some pictures or something. |
Good defense man, good defense...
I'd like to see that tutorial, where's it located?
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11/26/2005 03:44:10 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by pidge:
When you make a general comment, everyone reads it, and I just posted stuff I did trying stuff from Joey's tutorial, and so yah, I think you cold have implyed it was me |
You give youreself too much credit, I don't have a clue who you are, and I've never looked at your portfolio before just now.
Originally posted by pidge:
I'm one of the ones who learnt this effect from Joey's simple tutorial, and I think he doesn't deserve to be blamed for a bunch of people running around doing PP stuff. |
You're misinterpreting. I am not blaming ANYONE for anything.
Originally posted by pidge:
I just find comments like that incredibly discouraging to people who are trying to learn from this site. That's all. |
I'm sorry you found my comments disturbing. Personally, I see no problem with them. I think people should concentrate more on photography and less on post-processing. Our opinions obviously differ.
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11/26/2005 03:48:28 PM · #19 |
| Why not just let people comment on whatever they like, and photograph whatever they like, and post process however they like. Sheesh! |
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11/26/2005 03:49:32 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by Sinky:
Why not just let people comment on whatever they like, and photograph whatever they like, and post process however they like. Sheesh! |
heh I DID, then someone told me to chill, then Joey got all defensive swearing at me, then someone asked me a question, then someone said something else to me...I was going to share my opinion, and stay out of it from there...anymore questions?
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11/26/2005 03:50:18 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by OdysseyF22:
S**t deapee, go take some pictures or something. |
Good defense man, good defense...
I'd like to see that tutorial, where's it located? [/quote]
Grunge Tutorial
Message edited by author 2005-11-26 15:52:47.
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11/26/2005 03:51:10 PM · #22 |
so I guess we're allowed to swear now? If so, could someone please let me know so I can start? I've been really waiting to swear, seriously.
EDIT: took out swear word until i get the ok
Message edited by author 2005-11-26 15:51:34.
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11/26/2005 04:05:55 PM · #23 |
Joey Lawrence has repeatedly showed us some very adventurous work. Sure he's done a few interestingly processed shots such as his "Anger" shot.
But he's done many other equally if not more outstanding shots. Like climing up a ladder to no where. As such, he has gotten a small following of fans because he shows a strong artistic flair as a very young age.
:)
As for swear words, they're miniscule offense. I have seldom been as offended by swear words as I have by comments that use perfectly acceptable words but compose them so as to be an underhanded slight or a destructive criticism.
I see no point in condemning those for merely using a profane word in response to a provoking comment. For the provacation is more offensive IMHO than the casual profane response... |
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11/26/2005 04:34:14 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by deapee:
Why do you all give so much tribute to Joey Lawrence when all he did was download an action from the internet that was based on someone else's attempt to copy a true artist's post-processing techniques? |
I'm not aware of any truly original body of work that has ever been posted to DPC. I'm not aware that Joey's ever claimed that his work breaks new ground. What I am aware of is that DPC is supposedly a learning site. So I don't understand your (later described) "warning" to Joey to "keep it to himself". It sounds to me like you're actually criticizing Joey for sharing his techniques with the community.
THAT's what I find offensive here, frankly. I can live with the odd "sh*t", especially when it's directed at a roast like yours.
Robt.
Message edited by author 2005-11-26 16:34:40. |
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11/26/2005 05:05:34 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by deapee:
Originally posted by Joey Lawrence:
I wanted to teach people how easy it was and the cool action I found and not hog my find to myself like you suggested deapee. I'm not the only one that makes grunge stuff, theres thousands of people who make stuff dirty looking in photoshop- it's fun and I think it looks pretty rad.
Shit deapee, go take some pictures or something. |
Why are you getting offended and feel the need to swear at me? But anyway, you're right...way back, a few months ago, when I saw your work and you were telling everyone all these new methods, I told you to keep it quiet...but you didn't...to each his own.
The problem is, now there are people running around with absolutely no photographic skill, caught in a loop, who are never going to learn anything about lighting or composition or anything because they're just too busy post-processing. I mean that's cool and all and there is definately a place in the business for people who like post. I'm not a greedy person, but I just don't see the need to explain in great detail a technique that you seem to have down pretty good to the entire world...andrzej sells a PSD file of his work for quite a bit of money so people can try and learn the technique.
Anyway, don't be all mad because you got called out little one. |
Deapee,
When you call someone out in the forums, state in so many words that he is not a real artist, and trivialize his style by saying that all he is doing is running a Photoshop action when there's actully a lot more to it than that, you shouldn't be surprised when he takes offense to that.
The DPChallenge community is all about sharing and helping each other learn all aspects of photography, from concept to final printed work. To suggest to someone, let alone 'tell them' to keep quiet when they decide to share knowlege, much less to berate and intimidate them for doing so, runs completely counter to the spirit of this community and the culture we've developed as a community over the last 4 years.
Add to that the fact that you highjacked this thread to do all that, and you're walking awfully close to the line.
Please refrain from any further off-topic posts on this thread. If you have any questions regarding site forum policy, please direct them to Site Council via the contact page or start a new thread for the purpose.
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