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11/16/2005 08:45:48 AM · #1
I am sooooo stupid! I didn't have a photo to enter either of the challenges, but yesterday I just took some photos and when I showed them to my BF he suggested entering one in the single light challenge. I thought it was a great idea so I did. In my haste I did not thoroughly read the rules and my light source is not artificial. I KNEW it had to be an artificial light source because I had read it earlier in the week. And my photo is doing well, too, up to 6.7 now! I am so stupid.
11/16/2005 08:50:01 AM · #2
Not meeting the challenge is not grounds for DQ. An artificial light source isn't illegal.
11/16/2005 08:50:29 AM · #3
You don't have to DQ yourself! - you can only be DQ'd if you break the editting rules, not the challenge description.

My entry for the single light challenge isn't an artificial light either (strictly speaking). I checked the rules myself just in case!

Mine's only on about 5.4 at the moment though, so maybe people have marked me down for not meeting the challenge :-(
11/16/2005 08:52:32 AM · #4
Originally posted by scalvert:

Not meeting the challenge is not grounds for DQ. An artificial light source isn't illegal.


But I already emailed and asked for a DQ....can I reverse that? LOL I felt so guilty when I realized the mistake I made.
11/16/2005 08:53:36 AM · #5
It won't be DQ'd anyway, since you did't break a rule. Don't sweat it :)

Originally posted by KarenNfld:

Originally posted by scalvert:

Not meeting the challenge is not grounds for DQ. An artificial light source isn't illegal.


But I already emailed and asked for a DQ....can I reverse that? LOL I felt so guilty when I realized the mistake I made.
11/16/2005 08:56:54 AM · #6
Originally posted by alansfreed:

It won't be DQ'd anyway, since you did't break a rule. Don't sweat it :)


Thanks!
11/16/2005 09:01:56 AM · #7
Originally posted by KarenNfld:

I felt so guilty when I realized the mistake I made.


Guess how guilty you will feel if you ribbon with it (if you are around 6.7 now you may go up)...

:-) of course!
11/16/2005 09:03:25 AM · #8
Originally posted by srdanz:

Guess how guilty you will feel if you ribbon with it (if you are around 6.7 now you may go up)...
:-) of course!


Don't torture me!! :)
11/16/2005 09:33:36 AM · #9
I was just wondering if someone were to use more than a single light source, but followed basic editing rules, if that would be grounds for being DQ'd?
11/16/2005 09:35:42 AM · #10
Originally posted by phatphoto:

I was just wondering if someone were to use more than a single light source, but followed basic editing rules, if that would be grounds for being DQ'd?


Nah. The rules specifically say that missing the challenge description isn't grounds for a DQ.
11/16/2005 12:48:17 PM · #11
it should be a DQ if it doesn't follow the idea for this challenge. I say that because the challenge stated that it is a single artificial light. If you don't follow that, than any photo ever produced as long as it doesn't break editing rules would be allowed. that is not the point of the challenge, if all of us disregarded teh basic challenge idea, than whats the point. This challenge restricts what can be done because of only one light, and a compelling photo with one artificial light will take that restriction and turn it into something amazing. To me that is the point of a challenge, otherwise make them all free study.
11/16/2005 01:01:08 PM · #12
Originally posted by Jmnuggy:

it should be a DQ if it doesn't follow the idea for this challenge. I say that because the challenge stated that it is a single artificial light. If you don't follow that, than any photo ever produced as long as it doesn't break editing rules would be allowed. that is not the point of the challenge, if all of us disregarded teh basic challenge idea, than whats the point. This challenge restricts what can be done because of only one light, and a compelling photo with one artificial light will take that restriction and turn it into something amazing. To me that is the point of a challenge, otherwise make them all free study.


There's a problem of proof, though. Technically, unless you made your shot in a completely dark room with a single light source turned on, you are in violation of the topic. I doubt that many people went to that extreme.

R.
11/16/2005 01:02:27 PM · #13
Originally posted by Jmnuggy:

it should be a DQ if it doesn't follow the idea for this challenge.

actually, the rules clearly state "Entries will not be disqualified for misinterpreting or failing to meet the challenge to which they are entered. Please do not request disqualification for these reasons, as such requests will not be considered. "

you are encouraged to vote based on whether or not you believe an image meets the challenge, but meeting the challenge is NOT criteria for a DQ.
11/16/2005 01:04:38 PM · #14
the challenge was for a single artificial light to enhance your subject. what i am saying is that if you do not adhere to that rule, we will see sunsets, water drops, flowing water, baby pics etc.. because technically they didn't break the rules of editing. With that said, it makes every challenge a free study.

by the way, mine was in a dark room with only a flashlight.
11/16/2005 01:05:48 PM · #15
Originally posted by bear_music:

Technically, unless you made your shot in a completely dark room with a single light source turned on, you are in violation of the topic. I doubt that many people went to that extreme.

I did, but I'm an extremist! It must be the hot ontario summers.
11/16/2005 01:07:32 PM · #16
Originally posted by Jmnuggy:

what i am saying is that if you do not adhere to that rule, we will see sunsets, water drops, flowing water, baby pics etc..


Those photos will meet low scores in the challenge. I've voted several a 1 because they were sunsets.
11/16/2005 01:11:13 PM · #17
thats good, but the person who started the thread said hers was at around 7. I am sure it is a wonderful photo becuase her others are amazing, but not everyone will vote them down. A great pic of the northern lights is going to score high when it should be DQ'd or voted down to a 1.
11/16/2005 01:12:06 PM · #18
The room I took my photo in does not have a working light. So my lightsource was truly the only one, too :)

Originally posted by Strikeslip:

Originally posted by bear_music:

Technically, unless you made your shot in a completely dark room with a single light source turned on, you are in violation of the topic. I doubt that many people went to that extreme.

I did, but I'm an extremist! It must be the hot ontario summers.

11/16/2005 01:14:21 PM · #19
Originally posted by bear_music:

Technically, unless you made your shot in a completely dark room with a single light source turned on, you are in violation of the topic. I doubt that many people went to that extreme.

R.


I did. It's doing very poorly at the moment so maybe that was a mistake. :)
11/16/2005 01:20:45 PM · #20
If I were in Karen's position, I'd seriously consider doing what she set out to do; I'd consider DQing myself on basic principles IF my image was doing well. I wouldn't worry about it if the voters were treating the image the way it deserved. I'd wait until near the end of the challenge period to see how it was stacking up.

But I'd feel TERRIBLE taking a top-10 for an image that so flagrantly missed the topic. I see a real distinction here between technical topics and the other kind, btw. I'd NEVER see a need to self-DQ myself for DNMC in something like "Dead End" or "Landscape" no matter what I shot, but a "technical" challenge has like another set of "rules" in the sense that it defines something of how the shot MUST be made.

So regardless of what the challenge rules say, I'd feel really bad if I "snuck one by the voters" and copped a high score with an image that didn't follow the technical guidelines of this challenge; i.e. a sunset, whatever... It's the spirit of the thing, ya know?

I repeat, if it finishes out of the top 20 or so I wouldn't worry about it. It's those high scores that would embarrass me.

Robt.
11/16/2005 01:24:24 PM · #21
Originally posted by bear_music:

But I'd feel TERRIBLE taking a top-10 for an image that so flagrantly missed the topic. I see a real distinction here between technical topics and the other kind, btw. I'd NEVER see a need to self-DQ myself for DNMC in something like "Dead End" or "Landscape" no matter what I shot, but a "technical" challenge has like another set of "rules" in the sense that it defines something of how the shot MUST be made.

Good point.
11/16/2005 01:30:57 PM · #22
What is an artificial light? Anything but the sun?
11/16/2005 01:35:42 PM · #23
Your honesty is refreshing.You should blue just for that(@ the op)
11/16/2005 01:38:03 PM · #24
Originally posted by jsas:

What is an artificial light? Anything but the sun?


Natural light...

Sun, moon, Mars, Halley's comet, fire, flame, fireflies, bioluminescent lifeforms... Anything that is not "man-made"

Message edited by author 2005-11-16 13:39:11.
11/16/2005 01:54:04 PM · #25
Being a newbie and this second entry I very embarassedly admit to going into a dark room and holding a flashlight while trying to press the shutter button. Hubby and I being gadget freaks you can't believe the flippin' number of little lights in this house that have to be covered or turned off!

Off topic, unless you are a paying member, you are only able to enter one contest at a time, is this correct?

More importantly, love going through the entries. The different approaches by everyone, how they view things, is an amazing education in itself and the quality of photos is fantastic!

Originally posted by bear_music:

Originally posted by Jmnuggy:

it should be a DQ if it doesn't follow the idea for this challenge. I say that because the challenge stated that it is a single artificial light. If you don't follow that, than any photo ever produced as long as it doesn't break editing rules would be allowed. that is not the point of the challenge, if all of us disregarded teh basic challenge idea, than whats the point. This challenge restricts what can be done because of only one light, and a compelling photo with one artificial light will take that restriction and turn it into something amazing. To me that is the point of a challenge, otherwise make them all free study.


There's a problem of proof, though. Technically, unless you made your shot in a completely dark room with a single light source turned on, you are in violation of the topic. I doubt that many people went to that extreme.

R.
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