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11/17/2005 11:58:22 AM · #76 |
Originally posted by MQuinn:
But I can't help but wonder, now if a true terrorist "wanted to take pictures" would they use a big dSLR?! |
They might, or they might just Google up a few pages of images of what they want to know about and download those.
Congratulations -- I'm glad your persistence paid off!
Message edited by author 2005-11-17 11:58:58. |
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11/17/2005 12:07:43 PM · #77 |
Originally posted by jadin:
MQuinn - Where in Minnesota are you? I live in Duluth and have Homeland Security contacted for taking photographs of the harbor. |
I live just southwest of the twin cities. But Man Duluth is place I love to visit, Man there are some great pictures I always wanted to take there. |
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11/17/2005 12:10:36 PM · #78 |
Well, I'm glad you are getting your card back. Sorry for the ineptitude of the local law enforcement.
Hope you get some good airport pictures in the near future... ;) |
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11/17/2005 01:06:29 PM · #79 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Well, I'm glad you are getting your card back. Sorry for the ineptitude of the local law enforcement.
Hope you get some good airport pictures in the near future... ;) |
here's to hoping the card still has his original photos on it...
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11/17/2005 02:03:48 PM · #80 |
Originally posted by pidge:
Don't attack me for this, but I think one reason nobody questioned the prior administration was because the Oklahoma bombings didn't result in a war overseas. Just a thought |
Oh, let's not forget the bombing of an aspirin factory, the bombing of the Chinese Embassy, and the launching of an "illegal" war in Yugoslavia on the day of his impeachment.
Um...yeah...sorry...don't buy the justification. Secondly, they were shouting the "What/When know thing" before any attacks had been launched.
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11/17/2005 03:17:00 PM · #81 |
damn I'm lucky to live in Iceland.. we have none of this "I have a badge, do what I say" type of thing.. here we can take pictures of just about anything anywhere without anyone asking why, sometimes the cops stops to ask what we are doing, but just out of curiosity, specially when we take pictures inside congress or at the presidential mansion, but they never try to bully us away with force, or try to take our cameras or other gear from us.
and as all DPC'ers know, we have the best scenery in the world... and everyone has a camera ;)
I went to congress a few weeks ago to take some pictures, there was a debate going on about the financial plan for the goverment for the year 2006, I went up to the balcony where public is allowed to sit and listen, I took some shots there, but the balcony is on the right side of congress hall, so all pictures were from that side, there is always a cop on the balcony for security, and when he saw that I followed all the rules he gave about photographing he even opened up the front balcony that is closed to the public, so I could get some better shots of our senators and ministers.
so the police in Iceland is usually very helpful, and they actually like it when they are asked for assistance, or permit to take pictures, and I usually take some pictures of them to, just to make them happy :) |
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11/17/2005 03:25:05 PM · #82 |
Originally posted by MQuinn:
Originally posted by jadin:
MQuinn - Where in Minnesota are you? I live in Duluth and have Homeland Security contacted for taking photographs of the harbor. |
I live just southwest of the twin cities. But Man Duluth is place I love to visit, Man there are some great pictures I always wanted to take there. |
Interesting. My story about the refinery was referring the Koch refinery in Rosemount on Highway 52, straight south of St. Paul.
I do a lot of shooting in the Twin Cities area.
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11/17/2005 03:38:50 PM · #83 |
Originally posted by DanSig:
and as all DPC'ers know, we have the best scenery in the world... and everyone has a camera ;) |
I don't know, them New Zealanders and Romanians sure have some nice scenery too...
I think the Kiwi's have the volcanic mountains and islands but they have warm sun to top it off. Plus the Shire is there too! |
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11/17/2005 07:41:49 PM · #84 |
In the last 35 years what percentage of world terrorism has been Islamic?
Even with Tim McVeigh and the IRA, the Islamic terrorists are easily responsible for 90% of it. |
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11/17/2005 07:47:28 PM · #85 |
Originally posted by photodude:
In the last 35 years what percentage of world terrorism has been Islamic?
Even with Tim McVeigh and the IRA, the Islamic terrorists are easily responsible for 90% of it. |
Hmmm, Shining Path, South American communist geurillas, Basque sepratists, the list goes on. I'd be really skeptical about that number you just posted...
Message edited by author 2005-11-17 19:47:51. |
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11/17/2005 08:19:13 PM · #86 |
I dont recall Shining Path, South American Communitst Geurillas or Basque Seperatists commiting terrorist acts in other countries.
The Islamics on the other hand have been trotting around the globe for 35 years committing these acts. Enough is enough. |
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11/17/2005 08:24:06 PM · #87 |
Originally posted by photodude:
I dont recall Shining Path, South American Communitst Geurillas or Basque Seperatists commiting terrorist acts in other countries.
The Islamics on the other hand have been trotting around the globe for 35 years committing these acts. Enough is enough. |
If you're going to refer to a group of people at least refer to them correctly. It's Islamic Fundamentalists, not Islamics. Probably just a slip of the finger in trying to get your message across as fast as possible.
Carry on.
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11/17/2005 08:25:01 PM · #88 |
Originally posted by photodude:
I dont recall Shining Path, South American Communitst Geurillas or Basque Seperatists commiting terrorist acts in other countries.
The Islamics on the other hand have been trotting around the globe for 35 years committing these acts. Enough is enough. |
Ah, I didn't realize Islam had their own country to commit acts "outside of"...would that be Islamia? Islamistan? Muslimanada? |
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11/17/2005 08:31:24 PM · #89 |
| No, it's just a terrorist cult. Become a martyr and get your 40 virgins. Kill the infidels. |
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11/17/2005 08:48:38 PM · #90 |
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
If you're going to refer to a group of people at least refer to them correctly. It's Islamic Fundamentalists, not Islamics |
If you're going to refer to a group of people at least refer to them correctly. It's Islamic Extremist, not Islamic Fundamentalists.
Fundamentalist just means a strong adherance to the basic principles. Think "Orthodox Jew". There are numerous muslim fundamentalists that are not terrorists. The actions of the terrorists are not "fundamental" beliefs of Islam. (If they are, then everyone would be right to condemn all muslims.)
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Ah, I didn't realize Islam had their own country to commit acts "outside of"...would that be Islamia? Islamistan? Muslimanada? |
Guess what, the extremist Muslims are scattered throughout and they do view the existance of the "Islamic Nation". In fact, they view any land or territory that has been under Muslim control to be part of the Islamic nation.
If you don't understand that - than you really are missing the entire issue at hand. This extremists are endeavoring to establish the Islamic Nation throughout the entire world.
Message edited by author 2005-11-17 20:53:06. |
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11/17/2005 08:50:13 PM · #91 |
Originally posted by theSaj:
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
If you're going to refer to a group of people at least refer to them correctly. It's Islamic Fundamentalists, not Islamics |
If you're going to refer to a group of people at least refer to them correctly. It's Islamic Extremist, not Islamic Fundamentalists.
Fundamentalist just means a strong adherance to the basic principles. Think "Orthodox Jew". There are numerous muslim fundamentalists that are not terrorists. The actions of the terrorists are not "fundamental" beliefs of Islam. (If they are, then everyone would be right to condemn all muslims.) |
Oops. Sorry for that. Thanks for the correction.
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11/17/2005 08:54:08 PM · #92 |
| It's not just the extremists. That viewpoint is supported in the mainstream. Why not, there have been few repercussions. 15 Saudi's kill 3,000 people and we attack Iraq - boy are we dumb. Oh yeah, I forgot, "the Saudi's are our friends" - that's what W says. Let's start by leveling the Mullah schools being run in Saudi Arabia. |
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11/17/2005 09:09:45 PM · #93 |
Originally posted by photodude:
It's not just the extremists. That viewpoint is supported in the mainstream. Why not, there have been few repercussions. 15 Saudi's kill 3,000 people and we attack Iraq - boy are we dumb. Oh yeah, I forgot, "the Saudi's are our friends" - that's what W says. Let's start by leveling the Mullah schools being run in Saudi Arabia. |
The average American doesn't have more than a passing aquaintance relationship with even one muslim. Could you name the Five Pillars of the Islamic Faith without Googling it? I couldn't. If you're getting your knowledge of mainstream Islam from Bill O'Reilly or CBN, I'd be a little worried... |
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11/17/2005 09:22:32 PM · #94 |
Originally posted by photodude:
It's not just the extremists. That viewpoint is supported in the mainstream. Why not, there have been few repercussions. 15 Saudi's kill 3,000 people and we attack Iraq - boy are we dumb. Oh yeah, I forgot, "the Saudi's are our friends" - that's what W says. Let's start by leveling the Mullah schools being run in Saudi Arabia. |
Kill the kids? Are you serious? I know education starts young, but I don't think that justifies killing all kids, as it seems you are implying |
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11/17/2005 09:42:26 PM · #95 |
wow, just checked in to see if MQuinn is getting his card back, I see he is, "YEAH!" and following up on his rights with a lawyer from what I understand, "DOUBLE YEAH!"
Then I read how this thread has totally jumped the track, traveled across the nation and picked up a steamer to nowhere! YIKES!
Deannda
Putting this one ignore now, later all! |
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11/17/2005 09:47:09 PM · #96 |
I'm with you Deannda. I put this thread on 'Watch' to see the outcome of the confiscated card and it's been totally derailed.
Thanks photodude. BTW, just because it's in Rant doesn't mean it needs to be hijacked. Geez.
...off to follow Deannda's lead and hit 'Ignore'.
MQuinn, I hope that all works out well and you start a new thread to let us know the outcome. Thanks.
Originally posted by photodude:
...So get off the politically correct soapbox. They are the enemy and we need to start thinking that way. And BTW, this is in Rant. |
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11/17/2005 09:55:11 PM · #97 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Originally posted by photodude:
It's not just the extremists. That viewpoint is supported in the mainstream. Why not, there have been few repercussions. 15 Saudi's kill 3,000 people and we attack Iraq - boy are we dumb. Oh yeah, I forgot, "the Saudi's are our friends" - that's what W says. Let's start by leveling the Mullah schools being run in Saudi Arabia. |
The average American doesn't have more than a passing aquaintance relationship with even one muslim. Could you name the Five Pillars of the Islamic Faith without Googling it? I couldn't. If you're getting your knowledge of mainstream Islam from Bill O'Reilly or CBN, I'd be a little worried... |
Let me share what I know about Islam.
This past weekend I went to Washington DC. Every building and monument in the downtown area was lined with Islamic Barriers (thats my term for the highway barriers and large planters)in a futile attempt to keep us safe from car/truck bombs. When I went to park my car in a garage at a museum, it was searched for bombs, and when I went to retreive it, I had to go thru a metal detector to get back into the garage.
Today I was in NY City. We were all warned on the subway to be alert for suspicious things - "if you see something, say something" it goes. Like thats really going to stop determined suicide bombers. To get into office buildings for routine meetings, you have to sign in, be photographed and in some cases go thru metal detectors and put your belongings through xray machines.
NONE OF THIS EXISTED BEFORE 9/11
That's what I know about Islam. |
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11/17/2005 09:55:55 PM · #98 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Could you name the Five Pillars of the Islamic Faith without Googling it? I couldn't. If you're getting your knowledge of mainstream Islam from Bill O'Reilly or CBN, I'd be a little worried... |
Probably not, but then again, few can quote the 10 Commandments either. Even less the Beautitudes. |
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11/17/2005 10:03:05 PM · #99 |
Originally posted by photodude:
That's what I know about Islam. |
Perhaps if you (and most of the rest of us) had known a bit more about Islam before 9/11/01 we wouldn't be facing these crises now.
Ignorance is not bliss -- ignorance is stupidity. |
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11/17/2005 10:06:06 PM · #100 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by frychikn:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
photodude -- Please remind me, to what country would you have deported Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nicholls?
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Please remind us, why would it have been necessary to deport McVeigh ANYWHRERE on 09-12-2001, since he had departed this world for that great big fertilizer truck in the sky about 3 months previously? That's the problem with knee-jerk replies; sometimes they happen too quickly, with insufficient study to the message being replied to. |
Who said anything about after any specific date? The statement I was responding to was a suggestion that we deport "potential terrorists" before they can act -- I was pointing out that such a strategy won't work when the terrorist is one of your native-born citizens. |
The message you replied to mentioned 09-12-2001. It advocated revoking the visas of citizens of non-specified 'terrorist nations'. Nothing in the message suggested or even hinted at deporting United States citizens. |
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