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11/05/2005 12:28:18 AM · #76 |
| DUCK! Man...some things just go way over some people's heads...going to have to aim lower. |
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11/05/2005 11:10:36 AM · #77 |
Originally posted by azoychka:
There is something to be learned here........when you over process you lose the quality that makes a photo unique. You make them all the same...easily interpreted as cheating... |
hmm..is it possible for a girl to have beautiful skin? |
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11/05/2005 11:14:14 AM · #78 |
Originally posted by Sonifo:
Originally posted by azoychka:
There is something to be learned here........when you over process you lose the quality that makes a photo unique. You make them all the same...easily interpreted as cheating... |
hmm..is it possible for a girl to have beautiful skin? |
Ya, but it requires regular facials. |
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11/05/2005 11:25:32 AM · #79 |
Reading the rant makes me wonder.. I guess if you think copying people is wrong then we would only have one picture of everything and we wouldn't beable to take any more pictures because someone had already taken it in fear of copying someone elses photo.
I learn by other peoples photos..yes I copy them down to the pose and lighting. hehehe.. I think it is great you thought we were the same person. That is a beautiful shot that I wish I took and was very inspiring..meaning I plan to copy it..LOL..
I do try to be creative with my stuff but when my brain can't be creative I browse the internet for ideas.
Congrats, Jaxed..beautiful portrait! |
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11/05/2005 11:26:41 AM · #80 |
Originally posted by micknewton:
Originally posted by Sonifo:
Originally posted by azoychka:
There is something to be learned here........when you over process you lose the quality that makes a photo unique. You make them all the same...easily interpreted as cheating... |
hmm..is it possible for a girl to have beautiful skin? |
Ya, but it requires regular facials. |
LOL yes for a woman..but not for a six year old. :-)) |
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11/05/2005 11:36:00 AM · #81 |
Here's the thing of it: even IF it's true that a given photographer looked at "last week's winner" and decided to repeat the formula THIS week (and of course it happens, we see it all the time, people taking inspiration from previous winners); even IF this is true, then blame the VOTERS, not the photographers.
Because the simple truth of the matter is that the same sorts of images win over and over again. I'm not saying there are no winning images outside that box, but there are certain things that WORK, that keep on winning.
Full-face-portraits-with-big-eyes-and-bright-colors-and-mysterious-scarves are always good for a high score. So are Fruits-splashing-into-milk and water-droplets-refracting-what's-behind-them and Vast-landscapes-with-dramatic-clouds and so forth and so on.
And who gives the scores? The voters do, of course...
R. |
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11/05/2005 12:09:31 PM · #82 |
Originally posted by bear_music:
Here's the thing of it: even IF it's true that a given photographer looked at "last week's winner" and decided to repeat the formula THIS week (and of course it happens, we see it all the time, people taking inspiration from previous winners); even IF this is true, then blame the VOTERS, not the photographers.
Because the simple truth of the matter is that the same sorts of images win over and over again. I'm not saying there are no winning images outside that box, but there are certain things that WORK, that keep on winning.
Full-face-portraits-with-big-eyes-and-bright-colors-and-mysterious-scarves are always good for a high score. So are Fruits-splashing-into-milk and water-droplets-refracting-what's-behind-them and Vast-landscapes-with-dramatic-clouds and so forth and so on.
And who gives the scores? The voters do, of course...
R. |
That is very true. I think one of the problems, at least for some people, is that there is such a wide range of photographic abilities represented here. We have everything from highly skilled professional photographers using top of line equipment, down to total beginners with no skills whatsoever using simple P&S equipment, and they all compete in the same challenges. I would expect to see less experienced photographers copying the work of the 'master' photographers in order to learn. In my opinion, a group of seasoned pros copying each other, or even their own successful photos, just to win more ribbons is less acceptable.
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11/05/2005 12:17:24 PM · #83 |
Originally posted by micknewton:
Originally posted by bear_music:
Here's the thing of it: even IF it's true that a given photographer looked at "last week's winner" and decided to repeat the formula THIS week (and of course it happens, we see it all the time, people taking inspiration from previous winners); even IF this is true, then blame the VOTERS, not the photographers.
Because the simple truth of the matter is that the same sorts of images win over and over again. I'm not saying there are no winning images outside that box, but there are certain things that WORK, that keep on winning.
Full-face-portraits-with-big-eyes-and-bright-colors-and-mysterious-scarves are always good for a high score. So are Fruits-splashing-into-milk and water-droplets-refracting-what's-behind-them and Vast-landscapes-with-dramatic-clouds and so forth and so on.
And who gives the scores? The voters do, of course...
R. |
That is very true. I think one of the problems, at least for some people, is that there is such a wide range of photographic abilities represented here. We have everything from highly skilled professional photographers using top of line equipment, down to total beginners with no skills whatsoever using simple P&S equipment, and they all compete in the same challenges. I would expect to see less experienced photographers copying the work of the 'master' photographers in order to learn. In my opinion, a group of seasoned pros copying each other, or even their own successful photos, just to win more ribbons is less acceptable. |
why? If it works then use it. Why can't pro's copy from pro's? Wow, this is sorta going overboard now.
Just a reminder, people get better by learning from others..and yes that includes looking at someones elses shots and trying everything they did to achive what they have. I guess, we could take photos and not mess with them and enter it in the challenges and hope to get top 50 or we can go the extra mile and do our best to make it a perfect shot that the majority of people like. |
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11/05/2005 12:33:46 PM · #84 |
Originally posted by Sonifo:
Originally posted by micknewton:
Originally posted by bear_music:
Here's the thing of it: even IF it's true that a given photographer looked at "last week's winner" and decided to repeat the formula THIS week (and of course it happens, we see it all the time, people taking inspiration from previous winners); even IF this is true, then blame the VOTERS, not the photographers.
Because the simple truth of the matter is that the same sorts of images win over and over again. I'm not saying there are no winning images outside that box, but there are certain things that WORK, that keep on winning.
Full-face-portraits-with-big-eyes-and-bright-colors-and-mysterious-scarves are always good for a high score. So are Fruits-splashing-into-milk and water-droplets-refracting-what's-behind-them and Vast-landscapes-with-dramatic-clouds and so forth and so on.
And who gives the scores? The voters do, of course...
R. |
That is very true. I think one of the problems, at least for some people, is that there is such a wide range of photographic abilities represented here. We have everything from highly skilled professional photographers using top of line equipment, down to total beginners with no skills whatsoever using simple P&S equipment, and they all compete in the same challenges. I would expect to see less experienced photographers copying the work of the 'master' photographers in order to learn. In my opinion, a group of seasoned pros copying each other, or even their own successful photos, just to win more ribbons is less acceptable. |
why? If it works then use it. Why can't pro's copy from pro's? Wow, this is sorta going overboard now.
Just a reminder, people get better by learning from others..and yes that includes looking at someones elses shots and trying everything they did to achive what they have. I guess, we could take photos and not mess with them and enter it in the challenges and hope to get top 50 or we can go the extra mile and do our best to make it a perfect shot that the majority of people like. |
I suppose it’s because I expect a little more from a ‘master’ photographer. A little originality and creativity; the saying of something different from the other guy. You know, that whole art thing. What’s the point of a master copying the work of another master? So they can get another ribbon?
Am I going overboard when I state an opinion? If so, then I guess I better buy a lifejacket, cause I aint gonna stop anytime soon. :)
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11/05/2005 12:51:16 PM · #85 |
Originally posted by micknewton:
I suppose it’s because I expect a little more from a ‘master’ photographer. A little originality and creativity; the saying of something different from the other guy. You know, that whole art thing. What’s the point of a master copying the work of another master? So they can get another ribbon?
Am I going overboard when I state an opinion? If so, then I guess I better buy a lifejacket, cause I aint gonna stop anytime soon. :) |
soo..a master photographer knows everything and can't copy others? I don't think so. Even master photographers need inspiration. |
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11/05/2005 01:39:25 PM · #86 |
Originally posted by Sonifo:
soo..a master photographer knows everything and can't copy others? I don't think so. Even master photographers need inspiration. |
In my opinion, a true master shouldn’t need to copy anyone’s work. By definition, a master has already learned (mastered) the technical skills required to create new works of art. All they need is a little inspiration and to put in the effort to do the work. A person that has the required technical skills but lacks creativity, or isn’t willing to put in the effort needed, to create new and unique works of art is called a hack, not a master.
I agree that nobody knows everything (except maybe bear_music), and we all need a little inspiration at times, and there’s nothing wrong with that. Inspiration sparks new ideas and leads to visions which ultimately result in new and unique images. Slavishly copying another’s work just to collect another ribbon is not inspiration.
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11/05/2005 01:45:43 PM · #87 |
Originally posted by micknewton:
Originally posted by Sonifo:
soo..a master photographer knows everything and can't copy others? I don't think so. Even master photographers need inspiration. |
In my opinion, a true master shouldn’t need to copy anyone’s work. By definition, a master has already learned (mastered) the technical skills required to create new works of art. All they need is a little inspiration and to put in the effort to do the work. A person that has the required technical skills but lacks creativity, or isn’t willing to put in the effort needed, to create new and unique works of art is called a hack, not a master.
I agree that nobody knows everything (except maybe bear_music), and we all need a little inspiration at times, and there’s nothing wrong with that. Inspiration sparks new ideas and leads to visions which ultimately result in new and unique images. Slavishly copying another’s work just to collect another ribbon is not inspiration. |
In my oppinion there isn't any "masters" on this site. Just like you said nobody knows everything.
:-/
Jealousy does have a tendency to warp peoples mind to. |
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11/05/2005 01:52:31 PM · #88 |
I agree in part with Mick and I don't believe for a minute he's jealous. Mainly I just get a little jaded at seeing the SAME picture from the SAME photog over and over - whether it wins a ribbon or not.
It's like if you finally take a shot that is stunning and original and wins a ribbon and then you are now fixated on continuing to repeat that same formula over and over ad nauseam. Reminds me of some Rock bands that have one big hit, so they basically play the same song 10 times on the next 3 albums, but change the lyrics (i.e. "Boston" in the '70s who I loved - at least their first album).
Mick is entitled to his opinion - actually so is MPRPRO, the difference in my mind is that the OP was shown to be guilty (more so, even) of that which he was ranting against.
Just because someone says something negative does not automatically mean they are jealous or envious.
My two pennies for what it's worth. |
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11/05/2005 02:25:55 PM · #89 |
Originally posted by MPRPRO:
Hey Ken you need to take a pill and lay down for a while. I got my rant off my chest and feel much better now. If you have a problem with that don't read it. |
Yeah but the problem is you have now peeved us off and you have to give US a chance to get it off our chests.
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11/05/2005 02:32:14 PM · #90 |
Originally posted by Sonifo:
In my oppinion there isn't any "masters" on this site. Just like you said nobody knows everything.
:-/
Jealousy does have a tendency to warp peoples mind to. |
Well, if you define ‘master’ as one who knows everything, then (aside from bear_music) I guess I’d have to agree. I define the word a little differently though. To me, it’s a person that, although they may not know everything there is to know, does know enough to be able to create new and unique works of photographic art consistently. Many here fit into that category quite nicely. In fact, you fit into that category quite nicely.
I’m not sure what you meant with the jealousy comment. Sure, it can be a bad thing, but it can be a source of inspiration too. It may cause some to become angry and lead them to the dark side of the force. Others may use it to inspire them to work even harder at attaining the success they desire. I’m somewhere in the middle. For me, it first makes me crazy and causes me to spit at my monitor, but I soon settle down and go back to trying to make my own photos better.
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11/05/2005 02:34:01 PM · #91 |
Originally posted by micknewton:
For me, it first makes me crazy and causes me to spit at my monitor, but I soon settle down and go back to trying to make my own photos better. |
Do you at least clean off your monitor first? |
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11/05/2005 02:40:33 PM · #92 |
Originally posted by kpriest:
Originally posted by micknewton:
For me, it first makes me crazy and causes me to spit at my monitor, but I soon settle down and go back to trying to make my own photos better. |
Do you at least clean off your monitor first? |
Absolutely! I hate dirty monitors! I keep a can of Sprayway glass cleaner and some paper towels in my desk drawer. Have you ever tried to edit spots or smudges out of a photo that were actually on the monitor? :)
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11/05/2005 02:41:13 PM · #93 |
Originally posted by micknewton:
I agree that nobody knows everything (except maybe bear_music ... |
Hey!
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11/05/2005 02:43:27 PM · #94 |
Originally posted by micknewton:
I agree that nobody knows everything (except maybe bear_music |
Why isn't Bear on Site Council???? |
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11/05/2005 02:45:46 PM · #95 |
Originally posted by Tom:
Originally posted by micknewton:
I agree that nobody knows everything (except maybe bear_music |
Why isn't Bear on Site Council???? |
Politics. Woody didn't make it either. |
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11/05/2005 03:00:08 PM · #96 |
Originally posted by micknewton:
Have you ever tried to edit spots or smudges out of a photo that were actually on the monitor? :) |
I've done that more than once :)
Added: In "advanced editing", of course
Message edited by author 2005-11-05 15:00:54.
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11/05/2005 03:13:43 PM · #97 |
Originally posted by ursula:
Originally posted by micknewton:
Have you ever tried to edit spots or smudges out of a photo that were actually on the monitor? :) |
I've done that more than once :)
Added: In "advanced editing", of course |
I don't think I've done that, but I have tried to "UNDO" many physical actions, like when you are working on some delicate object and you go just a little too far and it breaks or shatters and you immediately and instinctively try to CTRL+Z! Or when you say something in an argument that you instantly regret - UNDO! UNDO! ...anyone? Hmmm, I have got to spend more time away from this computer. |
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11/05/2005 03:26:12 PM · #98 |
Originally posted by kpriest:
Anywayz, if he was sucking up to me, he would more likely be called a psychophant. |
Would that be a pachyderm with a blood-soaked axe?
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11/05/2005 03:33:25 PM · #99 |
Originally posted by Sonifo:
Originally posted by micknewton:
I suppose it’s because I expect a little more from a ‘master’ photographer. A little originality and creativity; the saying of something different from the other guy. You know, that whole art thing. What’s the point of a master copying the work of another master? So they can get another ribbon?
Am I going overboard when I state an opinion? If so, then I guess I better buy a lifejacket, cause I aint gonna stop anytime soon. :) |
soo..a master photographer knows everything and can't copy others? I don't think so. Even master photographers need inspiration. |
Inspiration can be found many places. Probably not a great idea to seek it coping others work, other than to learn a technique.... |
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11/05/2005 03:38:16 PM · #100 |
Originally posted by AJAger:
Originally posted by kpriest:
Anywayz, if he was sucking up to me, he would more likely be called a psychophant. |
Would that be a pachyderm with a blood-soaked axe? |
Ummm... Precisely. :)
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