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11/04/2005 11:45:00 AM · #26 |
Thank you Chris very constructive and I appreciate it.
Mike
Originally posted by cmeier:
mike,
i'm a relative newcomer to this site and i once thought i had the most unique photographic ideas in the world.
my first, one-of-a-kind entry for beverages was this:
then i discovered that dan_pendleton had done this:
oops. well, my second, never-to-be-duplicated entry for personification:
then discover graphicfunk did this less than four months prior:
yikes, what are the odds?! well, pretty good, i guess, with around 76,000 photos entered in contests. there are bound to be some limits to the realm of photographic creativity, and i think we have to respect that the photographers on this site don't intentionally try to duplicate the work of others, especially when considering newer site members...
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11/04/2005 11:46:04 AM · #27 |
Thank you Germaine very true.
Mike
Originally posted by Germaine:
All of our perceptions are influenced by our surroundings and what we have seen. I don't think there's too much truly "original", sprung-from-my-brain-without-any-outside-influence, material out there. Even God created Man in his own image. |
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11/04/2005 11:47:23 AM · #28 |
Originally posted by mk:
Originally posted by azoychka:
Originally posted by jenesis:
Which I think helps to portray the mood of both these photos. I'm not a big fan of NI but in some instances it really works. |
It does not enhance the mood....it steals it away....it distracts from what is wonderful in the photos...... |
In your opinion. Which was obviously in the voting minority. |
Yes mk and thank goodness for that! |
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11/04/2005 11:47:33 AM · #29 |
| You may also be interested in this thread if you didn't see it already. |
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11/04/2005 11:59:06 AM · #30 |
Mike,
I'm sorry if I sounded harsh, but yes it did kind of piss me off when I read this about a friend of mine, "If not why do people completely copy another? If they are well someone should resign from this group. Why would anyone who is trying to really improve their photography feel the need to cheat? That is so low." And though you may not have stated it clearly, it seemed very implied.
I was there when these photos were taken so I just happened to have first hand information on the situation and wanted to clear things up before a stigma was placed on my friend. She (and I for that matter) took many different shots in many different poses. It just so happened that this was the best one for the challenge. It definitely was not intentional.
Anyhoo, like others have stated, there are so many photos out there (and especially on a site like this) that it's bound to happen that things will sometimes look similar. I guess I can understand your doubt, I just didn't like the "attack" approach. That's all.
And I would be completely flattered if you copied one of my pictures and won a ribbon cause I can't seem to do it myself. As long as you shared your secret with me so that I could copy the copy of my copy and win a ribbon of my own.
Message edited by author 2005-11-04 12:00:48.
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11/04/2005 11:59:14 AM · #31 |
Message edited by author 2005-11-04 11:59:59. |
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11/04/2005 12:07:03 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by Pedro:
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11/04/2005 12:08:19 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by greatandsmall:
OK,
I have a confession to make.
Slippy has multiple personalities, one of which manifests itself as a woman in Florida. He has been perpetrating faud for quite a while now and it's time he was exposed. |
Oops, please disregard my last post under my alternate personality as greatandsmall. That's my honest, do-gooder personality. Only listen to my evil, scheming personality. If we have honest-to-goodness multiple personality disorder, shouldn't it be legal under the ToS to have more than one account?
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11/04/2005 12:13:37 PM · #34 |
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11/04/2005 12:20:18 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by hbunch7187:
Originally posted by MPRPRO:
It really pisses me off to see others creative work copied, it becomes a complete lie. |
i hate that too. *sarcasm* Note that these are your photos, next to other photos that have obviously been copied by you.
Of course, I'm just being sarcastic, but rather to proove a point, that just because it's been done before, doesn't mean anyone is a cheat, or a scam. or does it?
Edit...pedro beat me to it. |
I would assume that if such a photo was entered in a challenge you would first need to know the challenge rules? Do photos have to be 'original'? Do voters care? |
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11/04/2005 12:38:28 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by azoychka:
I would assume that if such a photo was entered in a challenge you would first need to know the challenge rules? Do photos have to be 'original'? Do voters care? |
No, photos do not need to be original. But yes, voters do care. If you look back, at similar photos, you will see 'been done before' or 'unoriginal' comments on them. 'Overdone' is another comment. Remember, that while something may not be original to YOU, for example, I've never shot a sunrise. I've never taken pics of people skydiving. So those are all original to ME. |
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11/04/2005 12:40:52 PM · #37 |
I will admit, I do get some of my inspiration from other photographers. Not all but some. If I see something that I find interesting, particularly in the realm of abstract images, then I have been known to try it.
When I do a portrait session, I sometimes print out a bunch of images done by other photographers with poses that I find interesting or attractive & get my model to try to copy the pose.
I don't find that wrong at all. It is the way I learn & I am proud of it.
If someone copies one of my images & does it better than I did, then that is fine by me & I get a buz that they liked my image enough to want to copy it.
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11/04/2005 12:45:14 PM · #38 |
Just for kicks, go and read this thread --> Airshow Photos
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11/04/2005 12:50:23 PM · #39 |
Hey MPRPRO, for some of us (probably most of us) this is a site for learning and sharing our pictures and love of photography. Part of learning is repetition, imitation and emulation - trying to see if you can do it too. There is no "prize" for this competition, other than a virtual ribbon and admiration of other hobbiests for a job well done. Besides, using the traditional "rule of thirds" just how many ways do you think you can position a young girl in a picture and make it look "original", there are no patents here - and there are only so many backgrounds to go around. :-)
PS regarding "imitation", just let it be said that you will NEVER see me try to imitate/emulate a water drop! I'm so sick of those things. |
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11/04/2005 12:55:40 PM · #40 |
You discovered our secret, we are in fact craniopagus twins.
Seriously, I consider it a compliment that any one would compare my photo to the likes of Sonifo. As Jen stated, it just happened this way, there was never an intent to copy someone else’s work. Thank you to all who made the point for me by posting photo's that could also be mistaken as forgery:)
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11/04/2005 12:59:04 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by hbunch7187:
Originally posted by azoychka:
I would assume that if such a photo was entered in a challenge you would first need to know the challenge rules? Do photos have to be 'original'? Do voters care? |
No, photos do not need to be original. But yes, voters do care. If you look back, at similar photos, you will see 'been done before' or 'unoriginal' comments on them. 'Overdone' is another comment. Remember, that while something may not be original to YOU, for example, I've never shot a sunrise. I've never taken pics of people skydiving. So those are all original to ME. |
Originality does not rest with whether you or I have done something in particular. Such a self-indulgent interpretation of originality is very narrow and lacking insight. |
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11/04/2005 01:19:52 PM · #42 |
My second challenge was Perspective. I had an "origianl" idea and entered it.
As I was judging Contrast, I clicked on next and there was
I was in a dilemma about whether to unsubmit or not. I had intentionally not looked at many challenges so that my ideas would be mine, and there was "my" idea already in a challenge! I was relieved to see other similar shots in perspective so that maybe everyone would not think I had copied. I now accept that many of my (and others') "original" ideas have probably been done, but that doesn't mean anyone is copying. |
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11/04/2005 01:27:59 PM · #43 |
How many different pictures of a rose can everyone take? How many different pictures of a waterfall? How many different poses can we find in portraits? How many Washington Monument POVs? Its all irrelevent. You either learn something with each click of the shutter or you don't whether it be learning of your subject, composition, lighting, etc.
I took 4 pictures of flowers last week. They had all already been done, probably to death. But I learned something with each one. That's the point of being here. You can create your images in a vaccuum so you 'don't copy' anyone else or something that's been done but will you learn?
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11/04/2005 01:31:41 PM · #44 |
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11/04/2005 01:36:01 PM · #45 |
| A 'subject' may be the same but an interpretation? When that is the same it is a copy... |
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11/04/2005 01:37:11 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by MPRPRO:
Now if you can tell me with a straight face that these two images were developed with independent creativity, I have a bridge to sell you.
Mike |
I believe this statement... |
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11/04/2005 01:39:23 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by azoychka:
A 'subject' may be the same but an interpretation? When that is the same it is a copy... |
Would you say the photos of piano keys are copies just by looking at them? I hadn't even seen his until after I entered it. |
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11/04/2005 01:44:47 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by chaimelle:
Originally posted by azoychka:
A 'subject' may be the same but an interpretation? When that is the same it is a copy... |
Would you say the photos of piano keys are copies just by looking at them? I hadn't even seen his until after I entered it. |
No. Your photo is a different interpretation of a similar subject. IMO that is not a copy. It is your interpretation. Using a similar subject does not constitute lack of creativity or copying or cheating etc....
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11/04/2005 03:25:31 PM · #49 |
" A 'subject' may be the same but an interpretation? When that is the same it is a copy..."
Thank you thank you thank you. Brevity is the soul of wit.
And may I add interpretation = editing techniques, focus, color and NI and the like. In the words of someone else the use of Neat Image is not always a good thing.
May I add, I am completely aware of the learning forums here on DPC. I have been blessed in learning many new and exciting things to do with Photoshop and with my camera. I may even try to duplicate the exact images I see there to get the technique down pat. That is not copping, if I entered one of them in a challenge, I do not think that would be appropriate but I wouldn’t fault anyone who did that. I may post them in a forum and ask for people to let me know what they think of them. But that is just me.
As far as the people who felt it necessary to look all over DPC to find images that resemble mine so as to either make fun or discredit me, thanks for the advertisement. Many of my city shots are for sale on my DPC print store and at other locations which are listed below. Oh and lots of Air Show pictures too. BTW if you buy any of my prints from Shutterfly the profits will be given to the Red Cross and the Salvation Army until 12/31/05.
Oh and a special note to Jennifer and Eden, the atmosphere in this forum is by it’s design a rant so I may have come up sounding like a ranting lunatic, what better place to do that? Hope it didn’t hurt too bad, I didn’t mean to hurt either one of you I just needed to get this off my chest.
Mike
Message edited by author 2005-11-04 15:26:56.
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11/04/2005 06:50:46 PM · #50 |
Originally posted by MPRPRO:
" A 'subject' may be the same but an interpretation? When that is the same it is a copy..."
Thank you thank you thank you. Brevity is the soul of wit.
And may I add interpretation = editing techniques, focus, color and NI and the like. In the words of someone else the use of Neat Image is not always a good thing. |
Sheesh.....me witty?! I love neat image!! NOT! :-p - this is for everyone who over use it and love it love it love it (it is a winner here for sure.... bah!) |
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